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Well that was a cluster ####
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Well that was a cluster ####


Feb 26, 2020, 8:24 AM

Biden swinging for the fences sounding like an old AME preacher. You have to admit the Yankee knows what southern black people like.

Everybody else taking as many shots at Bernie as possible since he's the front runner.

Except for Warren who obviously can't stand Bloomberg.

I finally turned it off after the question to Sanders.

My over dramatic paraphrasing below:

Bernie you've been asked this in every single interview you've ever done, have it on your website, and explained it MANY times over, but since we are ignoring all of that, how are we going to pay for MC4A? What's the math on this massive overhaul of national healthcare with many moving parts and multiple changes in the tax code creating a new sector the size of the entire New Deal? You have 45 seconds.

Bernie says "do you have 2 hours?"

Every candidate: HA! SEE HE DOESN'T KNOW! I KNOW AND I'LL TELL YOU!

Image result for jerry seinfeld out gif

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I like your funny words magic man


You do realize that none of them


Feb 26, 2020, 8:27 AM

HAVE A DAYEM CLUE WHAT THEIR PROPOSALS WILL COST?

Or not.....

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Of course there's no budgetary spreadsheet


Feb 26, 2020, 8:30 AM

for something that hasn't been done in our country.

But Bernie at least tries to explain as much as he can

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/


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I like your funny words magic man


Re: Of course there's no budgetary spreadsheet


Feb 26, 2020, 8:32 AM

But while we're at it, how much has Trump cost the economy with policies that have helped the really rich or those with stock market options?

How much is being spent (cost) that doesn't do a #### thing for the middle class or lower class?

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I like your funny words magic man


Re: Of course there's no budgetary spreadsheet


Feb 26, 2020, 8:32 AM

You have a real knack for playing the victim and pumping class warfare.

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You have a real knack for attacking the poster


Feb 26, 2020, 8:33 AM

while dodging the question.

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I like your funny words magic man


I won't dodge it. Trump has spent zero for the poor and


Feb 26, 2020, 9:01 AM

middle class. In fact, he has spent zero for the wealthy 1%ers. And this will blow your mind, totally....

TRUMP has SPENT absolutely NOTHING.

This thing called Congress approves all spending of your federal tax dollars. Furthermore, they direct the distribution of that money. Congress chooses how to spend the money, not the President. And between all the things Congress spends money on, between Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Student Loans, Housing, Food Stamps, national defense, education, the environment, and everything else they spend money on, the vast majority of that is spent on the poor and middle class, either directly or indirectly. And it's all funded by the evil wealthiest Americans who pay the vast majority of taxes.

I know this is probably a foreign concept, but the rich "get" nothing from the government. They FUND the government. What the rich "get" from the government is purely the extent at which the government takes less from them. They "get" to keep more or less of THEIR money. 48% or so of Americans DO GET money from the government. Furthermore, they give nothing to it in taxes. As such, they're ALL FOR taking more from the rich because they're living just fine not contributing to the country. It's a massive voting block as well.

Money is an arbitrary unit (piece of paper) used to quantify a value for the exchange of labor. Pure and simple, at the very core. It is earned, again at the core level, by helping other people. The rich get rich helping other people. They create a product or service that helps people, that people are willing to pay with money from their labor helping other people as well. That's just how it works. The more important your help is to other people, the more people you can help, the more money you make.

So how does Bernie want to change this pyramid?



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d a m....BOOM goes my ####!! I like it***


Feb 26, 2020, 9:07 AM



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If she's a hollerer, she'll be a screamer.
If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


That pyramid doesn't make any sense...***


Feb 26, 2020, 9:11 AM [ in reply to I won't dodge it. Trump has spent zero for the poor and ]



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Yes, youre right


Feb 26, 2020, 9:14 AM

But you also know what it is saying
Just add the %ages

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You're right, it doesn't


Feb 26, 2020, 9:19 AM [ in reply to That pyramid doesn't make any sense...*** ]

The bottom 50% and top 50% should add up to 100%. It doesn't.

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Top 1% pays 40% of taxes but they also own 40% of the wealth


Feb 26, 2020, 9:25 AM [ in reply to I won't dodge it. Trump has spent zero for the poor and ]

Top 20% pays 90% of taxes but owns 90% of the wealth.

Of course the IRS doesn't have the funding to audit rich people anymore, so we just take them on their word most of the time that they're paying the right amount.



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...and no accounting on what they've off-shored....***


Feb 26, 2020, 11:05 AM



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You know taxes are based on income and not wealth, right?***


Feb 26, 2020, 7:11 PM [ in reply to Top 1% pays 40% of taxes but they also own 40% of the wealth ]



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So far...***


Feb 27, 2020, 12:20 AM



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So I'm reading this website with as much as an open mind as


Feb 26, 2020, 9:02 AM [ in reply to Of course there's no budgetary spreadsheet ]

I can muster.

Issue: College for All and Cancel Student Debt
Funding: Tax Wall Street Gambling to Cancel All Student Debt and Pay for College for All
How much will it cost me, personally: This sounds like it is going to increase fees on our 401K and retirement plans.
How much will I benefit, personally: My kids could go to college for free.

Issue: Expanding Social Security
Funding: Fully paid for by making the wealthiest 1.8 percent of Americans – those with incomes over $250,000 a year.
How much will it cost me, personally: None, I guess. I make less than $250K/yr at this point.
How much will I benefit, personally: Some minor benefits when I'm much older. I probably won't qualify for any of the benefits, though.

Issue: Housing for All
Funding: Fully paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of one percent – those who have a net worth of at least $32 million.
How much will it cost me, personally: Nada.
How much will I benefit, personally:Zero.

Issue: Universal Childcare/Pre-K
Funding: Fully paid for by a wealth tax on the top 0.1 percent – those who have a net worth of at least $32 million.
How much will it cost me, personally: Zero.
How much will I benefit, personally: Save us maybe $3000/year if I just take him at his word.

Issue: Eliminating Medical Debt
Funding: Fully paid for by establishing an income inequality tax on large corporations that pay CEOs at least 50 times more than average workers.
How much it will cost me, personally: Directly? Zero.
How much will I benefit, personally:Zero.

Issue: Green New Deal
Funding:
$3.085 trillion by making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies.
$6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.
Reducing defense spending by $1.215 trillion by scaling back military operations on protecting the global oil supply.
Collecting $2.3 trillion in new income tax revenue from the 20 million new jobs created by the plan.
Saving $1.31 trillion by reducing the need for federal and state safety net spending due to the creation of millions of good-paying, unionized jobs.
Raising $2 trillion in revenue by making large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.
How much will it cost me, personally: Increased gas prices, possibly higher electric costs (not certain), Lower wages/bonuses due to higher corporate taxes (I suspect.)
How much will I benefit, personally: Zero (debatable, I guess)

Issue: Medicare for All
Funding: An assortment of taxes on the wealthy, including inheritance taxes.
How much will it cost me, personally: Potentially seven figures, unless I could work some significant loopholes. Potentially more than that.
How much will I benefit, personally: Who knows. I guarantee if he hits me with a seven figure tax, I'll never see that kind of benefit from it.


I tried, FBCoach. I just can't justify it for myself, personally.

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This whole free college thing is bull ####


Feb 26, 2020, 9:15 AM

How about we reform college to make it less expensive? Cut out all of the bull #### that doesn't matter. We could probably eliminate 1-2 years off of a college experience my eliminating all of the stuff that isn't relative to certain college degrees. Encourage more kids to take collegiate level courses in high school. Most 1st year college courses are a rehash of stuff learned throughout high school.

If people want this 'all inclusive liberal arts degree' then they can still have it, but stop requiring all of the bull #### for graduation. I could have earned my engineering degree in 2-2.5 years easily if they cut out all of the bull #### I had already learned in high school and only focused on information pertaining to what is actually useful when you graduate and start working.

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I demand 8 semesters in the barracks!!


Feb 26, 2020, 9:24 AM

###### detail!!

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If she's a screamer, she'll get you arrested.


Re: This whole free college thing is bull ####


Feb 26, 2020, 9:51 AM [ in reply to This whole free college thing is bull #### ]

agreed 100%

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The caveat here is accreditation


Feb 26, 2020, 9:58 AM

The organizations that accredit programs (ie ABET, AACSB, etc) would need to be on board.

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Re: You do realize that none of them


Feb 26, 2020, 1:24 PM [ in reply to You do realize that none of them ]

I thought the Yale study made it clear.

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If this is the best 7 people the dems have to run for POTUS


Feb 26, 2020, 8:31 AM

then I'm afraid the Democratic Party will soon go the way of the Whig Party.

That was painful to watch.

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Then of course there's the sensible Klobochar


Feb 26, 2020, 8:32 AM



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Maybe Henry can recall what that was like


Feb 26, 2020, 8:51 AM [ in reply to If this is the best 7 people the dems have to run for POTUS ]

but for real. I'd like to see libertarians get some steam

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People said the same thing about the GOP in 2016


Feb 26, 2020, 8:55 AM [ in reply to If this is the best 7 people the dems have to run for POTUS ]

The candidates were just as meh.

And what came out of that group of meh candidates? The one populist extremist. Looks like it is going to happen again.

We very well could be replacing one idiot authoritarian extremist for a nutty, let's spend trillions more extremist.

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You are the meme master. - RPMcMurphy®

Trump is not a phony. - RememberTheDanny


At that point we just get what we deserve..***


Feb 26, 2020, 9:09 AM



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GO TIGERS!!


I disagree....


Feb 26, 2020, 11:19 AM [ in reply to People said the same thing about the GOP in 2016 ]

in the 2016 field

Jeb Bush - Gov Fla
John Kasich - Gov Ohio, heck of a record in Congress
Chris Christie - Gov NJ, former fed prosecutor
Mike Juckabee - Gov Ark
Jim Gilmore - Gov VA
Rick Perry - Gov TX
Scott Walker - Gov WI
Bobby Jindal - Gov LA
Goerge Pataki - Gov NY
A lot of Senators (Cruz, Rubio, Graham, Santorum, etc...)
A CEO of HP
A brain surgeon
And probably some others I'm forgetting about

You might not like all of the candidates, but that is a heck of a lot of applicable executive experience on that list.

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Re: Well that was a cluster ####


Feb 26, 2020, 8:33 AM



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Re: Well that was a cluster ####


Feb 26, 2020, 8:36 AM

your leader. lmfao

https://twitter.com/i/status/1232482508303814656

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Re: Well that was a cluster ####


Feb 26, 2020, 1:26 PM

That's what happens in all primary debates, everyone goes after who's leading in the polls. They had a lot less success against Bernie than they did Biden. They knocked him out of the lead convincingly.

They did the same to Trump when he was polling as leader in 2015-16. It's what politicians do.

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