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" the U.S. has “allowed popular culture to draft a narrative
Aug 14, 2015, 3:22 PM
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which is contrary to the amazing work that so many officers are doing everyday across this nation.”
Exactly.
There are plenty of bad cops; they should by all means be weeded out and punished. However, when policy is driven by a pack of lies and a load of bullsh!t, this is what you get - the inmates running the asylum. The whole "black lives matter"/"hands up - don't shoot" movement is a joke, and the fact that it's lent an ounce of credibility by the media and politicians is the real crime.
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Oculus Spirit [75671]
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It SEEMS simple though. I have seen a lot of videos where
Aug 14, 2015, 3:30 PM
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the cops are unloading magazines into body mass. Now, I know that aiming for the legs reduces your odds of a hit but how a shot or two to the gut then get out of harms away?
Clearly, knowing a cop will kill your ### has not caused people to behave better.
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Oculus Spirit [79388]
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once they stop covering up for each other and harassing
Aug 14, 2015, 5:36 PM
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People for benign crimes, they may start to gain a little respect back. They've largely alienated the younger generation, and the chickens are coming home to roost. Perhaps you can blame some of it on stupid laws, but nevertheless, many people have largely lost all respect for law enforcement.
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when the current justice system becomes totally ineffective
Aug 14, 2015, 5:59 PM
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there will be two ways we can head from there - complete lawlessness and anarchy; or a military junta that answers to no one.
Neither one looks appealing to me.
I'll keep respecting the police and hoping for fair and civil outcome, because it's the best option we've got.
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Oculus Spirit [79388]
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that sounds great, but the easiest solution is to clean up
Aug 14, 2015, 8:45 PM
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The justice system. It's totally corrupt, and people don't realize it until it's too late. Justice depends on who you know and how much money you have, plain and simple.
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so who are you going to "clean it up" with? Who's out there?
Aug 15, 2015, 12:41 PM
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no honest person wants to become a cop anymore because they can't enforce the law, or even defend themselves in situations because they stand to get in more trouble than the criminals and lawbreakers. Would you be willing to be one, or even see one of you friends/family become a police officer in the climate today?
Or, maybe you know of a new strain of humans out there who are able to make perfect, rational decisons under high stress and daily life-threatening situations? Are there some high-character people out there who enjoy dealing with the dregs of society every day while getting paid $25,000 per year? If there are, I am not aware of them.
"Cleaning Up" is much more easily said than done.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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The only thing that bothers me about cops is...
Aug 14, 2015, 6:14 PM
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they have different set of rules for those with thicker carpet. The judicial system seems to set the tone for that behavior.
I protect myself so I don't need them. I obey the law so I shouldn't fear them, but I do. Folks like me don't usually have good encounters with cops. I put out no effort to obey the law, it comes naturally for the most part. I spend more effort trying to appear law abiding that actually being law abiding and I'm sick of it.
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If most cops were bad and "covering up for each other", then
Aug 14, 2015, 7:15 PM
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I'd agree with you, but once again, I've had a very different experience with cops, and based on that experience, the vast majority of cops don't fit what you described at all. Most I've encountered are pretty lenient when enforcing "benign crimes", and I've been cut a break on numerous occasions, so I just don't see it. Even if they are jerks, I'd be a #### fool to go into an encounter with police with a defensive, adversarial attitude.
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Oculus Spirit [79388]
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they typically don't mess with people who they think have
Aug 14, 2015, 8:49 PM
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The means to cause them problems. They do think they're invincible, and that's a big part of the problem. They're operating under a different set of laws than the rest of us, and that's just a fact.
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Oculus Spirit [93604]
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Somehow when they give an order if you don't obey...
Aug 14, 2015, 9:05 PM
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you're guilty of a crime. I'v been threatened of charges of civil disorder and disturbing the peace because I refused to obey 'commands,' given by cops.
If the law says that cops have the authority over citizens who are not suspects in a crime then the law is wrong. They all fail to understand they are officers of the courts and they not the law itself.
I don't cross them. If they stop me I provided any and all information lawfully requested. I appreciate that their lives are constantly in danger and respect the rules for making them feel safe. Somehow they assume that gives the authority to exercise powers they usurp from judges.
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Quite gestapo like, indeed.
Aug 14, 2015, 9:11 PM
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Try telling them it's none of their business when they ask you where you're headed, some may say that's being intentionally adversarial....but really, it isn't any of their business in the first place.
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I got wasted one night in a little bar in Cleveland, TN.
Aug 15, 2015, 3:09 PM
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When I walked out the door toward my car I realized I wasn't fit to drive home. I guess that was the first time I'd considered how I'd get home. When I got wasted I usually called a cab.
I knew almost everyone that came there so I scanned the lot to see who had driven. One of my buddies came out and spoke to me asking if I was OK. I told him I was way past OK. He offered me a ride.
We'd gone about four city blocks when the locals turned the lights on us. He pulled into a parking lot and rolled his window down. His information was collected above the driver's visor so it was easy to have it ready. Larry wasn't as lucky as some but luckier than many who'd served in Nam. He's suffered many disabilities, one included having only one functioning arm and hand.
The cops knew Larry. Everybody knew Larry but that didn't stop the pig's harassment. One ran his information and the other stayed with us.
The cop looked over and me and asked my name. I told him. He asked if I had ID with me. I told him I thought it was against the law to be without proper identification. He said, 'give it to me.' I asked if he was requesting my papers? He said yeah, 'show me your papers.'
I asked him if he could do that with a German accent? He said he didn't understand. I said I always want to know how the jews felt in Nazi Germany in 1939 and all I needed was an authority figure ask for my papers with a German accent.
Of course I was getting my DL out of my back pocket as we spoke. Larry was the only one who didn't laugh. After the cops left I found out he had a joint in his pocket.
I lost a lot of respect for cops that night. Larry was a hero.
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That was pretty rough.
Aug 15, 2015, 4:26 PM
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I'm glad y'all got out alive.
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Re: That was pretty rough.
Aug 15, 2015, 4:43 PM
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Not saying it was tough. Just hassled. For no reason. Isn't that what black people are constantly screaming about? White cops hassling them?
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Re: That was pretty rough.
Aug 15, 2015, 7:40 PM
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Oh and just as rough as a story about a Mercedes and putting regular gas instead of diesel and then having to show my state job credentials to keep someone from bothering me. That there is really tough as well. I mean ####, sounds like a shoutout almost happened and god forbid the Mercedes be involved in that one.
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I let my son drive my 300SD to Pickens county to on a visit.
Aug 14, 2015, 9:41 PM
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That was about a year ago.
He stopped at the store that use to be called the Fooder which is on top of the hill at the first redlight coming from Norris to Liberty. I think it's called Stop a Minute or something like that now.
He went inside the store and handed the worker a 20 dollar bill. As she took it from her hand he said I need 20 in diesel. The pump handle is green so he stuck it in the tank and pulled the handle. He then realized he was pumping gas into my classic Benz.
He called me and I told him not to turn the ignition switch on. It's a mechanical lift pump system which delivers fuel to a mechanical injector pump. Electric current has nothing to do with pumping fuel.
He went back into the store and got a refund after pumping .17 gal in the tank. He was upset and when the lady asked him what he was going to do he told her he would have to drain the fuel tank to make sure the 4 thousand dollar injector pump wasn't going to be ruined by a quarter's worth of gas. He also pointed out that the handle was green and she heard him request diesel.
She called the cops. I got there before the cop and we rolled the car back to the hill that's on the exit back to hwy 93. I had the fuel line off the car and was draining it when the cop arrived. I brought my truck, a 9 quart drain pan, a funnel to help get the fuel into a five gal plastic jug.
The prik got there and studied his book for an hour and 30 minutes trying to figure a way to charge us with a crime. He accused my son of threatening the woman by threatening to drain the tank in the parking lot. He didn't threaten, he promised. We did, we did it with consideration for the environment. We spilled a little over a quart. I don't care. Fuel spills at gas stations are excused by DHEC.
He told me to expect a call from the EPA and I told him DHEC handled the EPA business in SC and showed him my certification ID card issued by SCDHEC and the EPA. He was fit to die. After not being able to quantify the 'spill,' or the damage we'd 'perpetrated against the owner and in frustration he scolded me one last time.
I told him that many gallons of fuel had been spilled here over the past decades and if the owner was stupid enough to have DHEC our here collecting samples of dirt from that ditch thinking I'd be the one to get the fine over my small contribution to the problem I'd be happy as helll to meet with DHEC and go over the problem.
He asked me if I the car would rolled and moved so he could photograph the spill. I asked him if I could leave. He told me yes and I got in the car, which started at the first contact of ignition, and drove it around to light the ground where the fuel was spilled.
He lectured me on the harmlessness of gas to a diesel engine saying that he used gas to raise the octane of the fuel he used in his F350 Ford. I laughed and said my all my glow plugs work, my lifters are always adjusted to exact specifications and my 400K engine still has 400-420 psi compression on all five holes so I didn't need anything but plain diesel to get going on the coldest of southern mornings.
He took several photo with his phone after calling in the squad from Liberty fire department. The fireman laughed at him as he spread oil dry on the spill.
The cop was outraged and in total defeat released my son to leave. He squealed his tires as he left and we drove to the station beside 123 and filled up with dino diesel.
I didn't file a suit against the owner and You can bet he didn't contact DHEC or screw around with them.
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Some of them are real jerks, that's for sure. Some of them
Aug 15, 2015, 12:25 AM
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are straight up crooks.
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Re: Curious to see how this situation ends up:
Aug 15, 2015, 11:14 AM
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I am a white guy who has been hassled constantly by black police officers in Greektown and areas around Comerica park. I get tired of it, but I don't blame all cops or black cops. It just is what it is. Some people just can't get to this point.
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Race didn't play any role in this shooting. Kid was white.
Aug 15, 2015, 2:13 PM
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Officer was white. Not sure what race has to do with it.
..and hopefully I never get to the point where being hassled by police "is what it is". There's no reason to "hassle" someone unless they're breaking the law.
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Is that some rough section of town or something?
Aug 15, 2015, 2:49 PM
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I just wonder if you aren't missing something here. You've given your perspective now let's consider the cop's.
There's an opportunity cost to stopping someone for no reason. It's like trying shooting a sniper rifle from the hip expecting to his a target 500 yds away. Each round is a waste even though one of many may, by pure chance, hit the target. How many shots in the dark should a cop take? Absolutely none.
His target should be selected by him seeing a clear indication that a law has been broken. It's opportunity cost that should prevent this behavior. The public pays them to protect and serve. Stopping someone because of the color of their skin, age or condition of their car or any other personal whim is nothing more than dereliction of duty.
That get's everyone fired except civil servants and public officials. Those sworn to protect the general public are the ones who can do the most damage by ignoring their responsibilities of protecting and serving us.
It's not something we should blow off. If cops have time to harass people then economics says there are too many of them. Each police force should have one cop more than it needs not one on each shift and sure as helll not enough to spend half an hour screwing with folks who aren't a threat to the public safety and welfare.
I am not a threat to public safety or public welfare.
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Re: Is that some rough section of town or something?
Aug 15, 2015, 4:05 PM
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No. Not at all.
They will scream things like, "stand back" when just waiting on them to let you cross. I was wayyyyyy behind the line. Then as I am crossing the cop says, "you just looking to get hooked up?" . I had no alcohol in me and I was literally crossing the street to buy a hat for my wife. I just ignored and kept walking.
Another time I was getting into an Uber and the cop came running around the car and grabbed me by the back of my collar. My bud had stepped out of the way and saw him coming. He yells at the driver that he needs to see his chauffeur license and holds me by my shirt. I was like, "why are ypu holding me?" He said, "do you have a problem with me?". I said no sir and just stood there with his hand crunching my collar. The driver showed the license and then the cop wrote him a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic for picking us up. Then he told us we were lucky he wasn't locking us up for public intoxication. We literally had said NOTHING the whole time.
This is just two times. There are other stories. All black jobs jumping on this white guy. So I guess I should start a campaign for black cops to stop harassing white people.
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I only back 'em 98% of the time***
Aug 15, 2015, 2:57 PM
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What kind of idiot rushes a cop with a gun?***
Aug 15, 2015, 7:33 PM
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