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CUatthefinishline if one of your children
Jul 23, 2012, 1:33 PM
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was apart of this and PSU covered this up, would you still be outraged that the NCAA hammered PSU? I think it's a slap in the face of those children and familes for anyone to defend PSU. If they woulda shut the AD departmen and never play football again, it wouldn't have bothered me a bit. Can't understand how anyone can bash the NCAA for hammering PSU. For the first time ever, I applaud the NCAA
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to me, to NCAA doesn't hurt any of the parties involved
Jul 23, 2012, 1:38 PM
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that ACTUALLY are responsible for this tragedy. Joe Pa's gone, Sandusky is getting convicted regardless, the AD and President are out. So this is punishing everyone else for something they had no control over and a shocking majority of them probably had NO idea that it was happening.
I get that they had to do something, but it just seems that its hurting all the wrong people.
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Re: to me, to NCAA doesn't hurt any of the parties involved
Jul 23, 2012, 1:40 PM
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Re: to me, to NCAA doesn't hurt any of the parties involved
Jul 23, 2012, 1:45 PM
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But isn't that always the case with NCAA penalties? Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll didn't get hurt by any of their scandal out there, the current players, students, and coaches did. UNC's post season ban is going to affect the current coaches, players, and students, not Butch Davis or many of the players who violated rules. It will always be the entire program that gets punished, not just the people responsible.
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Exactly summeyd +1***
Jul 23, 2012, 1:50 PM
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Jul 23, 2012, 1:53 PM
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The punishment represents the idea that they *should* have known. The power wielded by those in charge at PSU coupled with the lack of oversight put into place by the board (an thus by the rest of PSU) allowed the situation to exist where multiple parties could collude to coverup something of this nature.
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Re: to me, to NCAA doesn't hurt any of the parties involved
Jul 23, 2012, 2:00 PM
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I think they are trying to make more of a point to these kids that football isn't above the law and the welfare of these children come first. Penn State students and fans all protested for Joe in the mix of this. Joe was found guilty and they still wanted the statue to stay. These are all qualities I wouldn't want from my kids. I would hope they would put the victims first but as the victims came forward they were met by angry mobs of students and fans that worshiped Joe like a God and the football at Penn State over victims. As much as my blood runs Orange if this had happened to us, I would take what the NCAA offered down in respect for those involved. How many parents of victims do you think are Grads from PSU and have had to stomach this at there beloved alumni.
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Oh, SNAP!
Jul 23, 2012, 2:24 PM
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LOL
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Re: to me, to NCAA doesn't hurt any of the parties involved
Jul 23, 2012, 2:42 PM
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It is always the innocent that get punished when schools go on probation. When Clemson was put on probation in the 80s the kids that were involved were all gone. Do you know of any other way to punish the institution? It was a cover up from top to bottom and the school is responsible and has to be punished.
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If I was the parent of one of those kids
Jul 23, 2012, 1:45 PM
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a bowl ban for the Nittany Lions wouldn't make me feel any better or worse.
However, if I'm the parent of a Penn State player or recruit, I'd feel like my kid just got screwed for no reason.
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^THIS***
Jul 23, 2012, 1:57 PM
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Re: If I was the parent of one of those kids
Jul 23, 2012, 2:00 PM
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So the choice is between staying at a school where you can't play in bowls, or uprooting my entire life to continue my education and sports career in a completely new and different environment?
Tough call to make IMO
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The kids and families will take years of theraphy to TRY
Jul 23, 2012, 2:11 PM
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to move on. The Penn St players and their families(?) can move on today if they want to. Really missing the point of what happened today but thankfully the NCAA and Penn St administration get it.
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Re: to me, to NCAA doesn't hurt any of the parties involved
Jul 23, 2012, 1:49 PM
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But isn't that true everytime a school gets hammered? The coach leaves, pres resigns and everyone else is left holding the bag. Smu was giving to a few players and they got the death penalty so what about the people not involved there. They know the consequences when they commit these acts and don't care about the innocents that will be punished even though they know it will happen. So why are people blaming the NCAA when they did nothing wrong, penn st did and they are punished. Unfortunately there are always innocents that suffer for the crimes of others. Don't be angry at the NCAA, be angry at penn st.
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Re: CUatthefinishline if one of your children
Jul 23, 2012, 1:51 PM
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I hope the people responsible get the punishment they deserve.
I however do not like organizations that go outside their boundaries on power trips. This was not an NCAA matter.
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All this happened within the athletic department, so yes it
Jul 23, 2012, 1:52 PM
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Re: All this happened within the athletic department, so yes it
Jul 23, 2012, 1:53 PM
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What NCAA rules were broken?
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Children were molested and it was covered up
Jul 23, 2012, 2:01 PM
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this goes beyond RULES. Dig a hole and bury PSU. Can't believe anyone would bash the NCAA for this.
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Re: Children were molested and it was covered up
Jul 23, 2012, 2:32 PM
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Your response falls in line with why I think the NCAA is out of line...
"it goes beyond rules" That is why the rules are in place. I am sorry if I dont believe in groups that go outside of their boundaries.
This is a legal matter not an NCAA matter. I dont think the NCAA should be in the business of carrying out punishments for CRIMES that should be handled by our Justice Dept.
No one is defending the PSU actions. I am just sick and tired of every organization in America grabbing for more and more power. While completely trashing the boundaries that are in place, but if you want to give the NCAA free reign to do whatever the hell they want to then that is fine. I guess they should be able to come into Clemson and fine the #### out of us due to some of our guys getting in trouble off the field.
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Re: Children were molested and it was covered up
Jul 23, 2012, 2:38 PM
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That can be interpreted in many ways. It is a very very poorly written rule and clause. If you want to give the NCAA unlimited power to mess around in Criminal matters then that is your choice. I dont agree with it.
This is going no where though so have a nice day. I am done.
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Re: CUatthefinishline if one of your children
Jul 23, 2012, 1:55 PM
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The NCAA has rules. If PSU wants - they can withdraw from the NCAA.
Let me know how that goes.
10:1 Unethical Conduct
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:
(d) Knowingly furnishing or knowingly influencing others to furnish the NCAA or the individual’s institution false or misleading information concerning an individual’s involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
"Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports."
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+1 great post ^^^^^***
Jul 23, 2012, 2:02 PM
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Re: CUatthefinishline if one of your children
Jul 23, 2012, 2:41 PM
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10:1.... What NCAA Regulation was broken?
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.... I wasnt aware he was influencing his players to take part in his sick activities.
10.01.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.... How was this one broken? Where did they cheat.
I am done here though so have a nice day. If you want to continue to give the NCAA insane power then that is fine by me.
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NCAA is doing PSU a favor.
Jul 23, 2012, 2:15 PM
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I posted this below, but thought I would repost here.
I think I understand where you are coming from. It does seem out of line from what the NCAA is used to reviewing. However, think about it this way.
Personally, I think the NCAA did PSU a favor. PSU needed to, and probably wanted to do something to show that as a University they had gone astray and needed to be punished. Granted the school was lead a stray by a few school officials, but none the less the school as a whole was led off course. This being understood, how do you even begin to determine what a “fair” punishment should be from within? The answer is you can’t. No punishment is good enough. The only thing that is even close is the “Death Penalty”. But then the question is how long do you ban football? Is it 1 year, 10 years, forever? I think forever is probably about the only thing that could be offered that would keep everyone from screaming at them. I also think this was an option that they did not want to entertain. Football pays for everything, so they need it. So how do you keep from having to institute the “Death Penalty” when that is the only penalty that is even remotely acceptable? The NCAA…
First, the NCAA helped PSU by stripping JoPa’s record from them. From a PR perspective this had to happen. Or you would never hear the end of the Sports is greater than Abuse story that would linger forever. But PSU definitely did not want to bring this into play on their own. Their boosters, fans, hell the whole state has a lot of pride in that record. How do you take this record way while not alienating your support base. Thank you NCAA. They stripped the record not PSU! This allows PSU to save face and not further irritate a sore subject among it’s base.
Next, they helped out by defining a punishment. PSU did not come up with these penalties, the NCAA did. This helps PSU from trying to prove or qualify why it believes this punishment is fair, which would have been a losing battle. Notice how the President, did not even fight this. It was a “Yes Sir” regarding the punishment. The penalties are Harsh, but they had to be. And while it will hurt for a while, they will still play football. This is the price that had to be paid so that they can get past this story and start moving forward. Right now the timeline for this story is approximately 8 years. That is when you will see the PSU team at full strength again from a scholarship perspective. At that point, given the success of the coach PSU will either be looking for another coach, or they will be praising O’Brian for the success he has achieved. I believe he was given a 10 year guaranteed deal, which will be 2 years after he will have a team at full strength. And thus a new news cycle regarding PSU will begin and this terrible awful thing will be finished (w. the exception of the documentaries that will be put out every 10 years or so).
So, even though it may seem like the NCAA is stepping over the line. I think they are actually helping PSU get past this awful thing. Just my 2 cents.
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lock psu down. tell the fed to do it. idc and guess what,
Jul 23, 2012, 2:41 PM
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the football program will be shut down as well.
happy?
ok, now back to the real discussion. this is about the nc2a's purview and the nc2a taking this opportunity to extend its reach.
it doesn't belong here. a former director of the nc2a agrees with this as do others.
bomb psu back to blackboards, overheads, abacus, slide rules or to whatever point after the iron age you'd like. idc, but keep the NCAA out of this.
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