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Crappy refs.....
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Jan 28, 2023, 10:21 PM
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The refs have been bad this year. They are generally equally terrible for each team. There have been a few games that where I thought we got screwed by the refs. The Iowa and Duke games stand out.
This play below is a play that we get called on nearly 100% of the time, but it seems the refs are inconsistent with their calls on the opposing team. This is obvious body contact right? They called a foul on beadle I believe the play before here there appeared to be less contact.
I don't care if you call those types of fouls or not. Just be consistent.
https://twitter.com/clemsonmbb/status/1619465948985180160?s=46&t=DxoZo4PMg4eZlc_U7MQuLw
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Re: Crappy refs.....
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Jan 28, 2023, 10:23 PM
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I’ve noticed the same. Officiating has been very inconsistent. Maybe they are experiencing staff shortages like most of the country?
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Tonight was especially egregious.
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Jan 28, 2023, 10:25 PM
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We had to overcome some horrible calls against us, especially late in the second half.
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Re: Tonight was especially egregious.
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Jan 28, 2023, 11:10 PM
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Not really. What about the first half when Tyson should have been called for a clear flop and there was a no call. Then the charge to end the first half that wasn't called on us. Goes both ways. The fact is there was 48 fouls called. 27 on fsu and 21 on us. Fact is, it was questionable tight calls either way.
It's a broken record. Numerous threads on every single game whether we win or lose, y'all biatch and blame the refs. Loser mentality.
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Re: Tonight was especially egregious.
Jan 29, 2023, 8:06 AM
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Not really. What about the first half when Tyson should have been called for a clear flop and there was a no call. Then the charge to end the first half that wasn't called on us. Goes both ways. The fact is there was 48 fouls called. 27 on fsu and 21 on us. Fact is, it was questionable tight calls either way.
It's a broken record. Numerous threads on every single game whether we win or lose, y'all biatch and blame the refs. Loser mentality.
It does go both ways, which is why I said "They are generally equally terrible for each team."
Charge/block is a subjective call and they are very inconsistent with it. They are equally inconsistent with contact around the rim. Literally the play before the called a foul on beadle for similar contact. In the span of minutes all around them at time, they missed this call, called chase for palming, 3 seconds, and another egregious no call. Was not good!
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Re: Tonight was especially egregious.
Jan 29, 2023, 8:18 AM
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We won the game because of a highly questionable foul call on our last shot of the game. I watched the replay numerous times solely for purpose of this post. The contact that constitutes the foul begins way before the act of shooting. Could have been no foul, could have waived off the bucket and had him shoot two. But we got exactly what we needed. Yet somehow you and the hive mind are crying about officiating after a road win.
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Re: Tonight was especially egregious.
Jan 29, 2023, 8:22 AM
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They still owed us for Shelton Mitchell 5 years ago. Sometimes it takes a while to get that make-up call.
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Re: Tonight was especially egregious.
Jan 29, 2023, 8:49 AM
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Sorry for the win last night viztiz. I know it hurt....
You see I agree with you. There was contact all the way through, but it was very slight. It could have been a no call, and at the end of the game I think it should be a no call.
The problem is that they were incredibly inconsistent all game with similar calls like this. It has been like that all year. It varies from game to game and even play to play with ACC refs.
All I'm asking for is some consistency.
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Not sure…but I think people are responding to Judge K
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Jan 29, 2023, 9:01 AM
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saying Clemson had to overcome the bad officiating.
Most people agree it was just bad both ways.
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Re: Tonight was especially egregious.
Jan 29, 2023, 3:55 PM
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Why would it hurt? This is what some of us wanted all along. You’ve willfully aligned yourself with members of this board who have a completely different agenda. That’s on you.
I think a foul is initiated when the defender grabs Hunter by the left shoulder. It is not incidental. I almost wonder if the intent was to draw a non-shooting foul knowing he’d lost position and was about to give up an easy layup. That call would have been disadvantageous for us though.
The only consistent difference I have seen between ACC and non-ACC basketball officials is how they handle flopping. The ACC is far more tolerant of flopping on defense than any other conference. I’ve assumed this was Coach K’s legacy to this conference and will probably even out now that he is gone. Is was always deeply satisfying to see them called for blocking fouls in the NCAA tourney and watch him go apoplectic.
But, I actually like basketball and have watched or listened to all but a handful of games over the last 30+ years. I’m not just here to be a sycophant to a single person. I hope he can keep this up and that he has a post season that’s as surprising as this regular season.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
Jan 29, 2023, 8:30 AM
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I’m only going to speak to this specific play from an officials perspective.
What did the defender do that was illegal? Not all contact is a foul. Chase goes flying down the lane at full speed and FSU player contests by jumping straight in the air. Defender is allowed to do that. Correct no call.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
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Jan 29, 2023, 8:42 AM
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The defender left his feet to defend chase hunter and in doing so his body made contact with chase hunter's body. The play before the way called a foul on less contact against us. Pj hallhas been called multiple times this just standing there with his arms up and not moving while the opposing player jumps into him.
All I'm asking is that they are consistent with these kind of calls. I wouldn't have brought it up if the play before they didn't call similar contact.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
Jan 29, 2023, 8:46 AM
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The inconsistency you are describing has been consistent over all levels of basketball my entire life. Why are you suddenly perplexed that sometimes an apparent foul is called one way and sometimes another? I’m under the impression that you’ve watched some basketball before in your life.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
Jan 29, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Fact: referees have been inconsistent since sports existed.
Fact: calls on charge/block and contact around the rim have been especially bad this year.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
Jan 29, 2023, 3:42 PM
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I don’t think they’re any different than they’ve ever been. Maybe they just seem more so as the stakes continue to mount this season. That’s probably a much bigger variable than anything in officiating. We’ve also gotten some major calls in crucial situations. Something I would say is not what a Clemson fan is trained to expect.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
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Jan 29, 2023, 12:52 PM
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“The defender left his feet to defend chase hunter and in doing so his body made contact with chase hunter's body”
That doesn’t make it a foul. Here’s what the ref is looking for. And again, I’m only speaking to this video you posted.
Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:
ART. 1 . . . Legal guarding position must be obtained initially and movement thereafter must be legal.
ART. 2 . . . From this position, the defender may rise or jump vertically and occupy the space within his/her vertical plane.
ART. 3 . . . The hands and arms of the defender may be raised within his/her vertical plane while on the floor or in the air.
ART. 4 . . . The defender should not be penalized for leaving the floor – vertically or having his/her hands and arms extended within his/her vertical plane.
ART. 5 . . . The offensive player whether on the floor or airborne, may not “clear out” or cause contact within the defender’s vertical plane, which is a foul.
ART. 6 . . . . The defender may not “belly up” or use the lower part of the body or arms to cause contact outside his/her vertical plane, which is a foul.
ART. 7 . . . The player with the ball is to be given no more protection or consideration than the defender in judging which player has violated the rules.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
Jan 29, 2023, 1:55 PM
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Ok, well they have been calling those fouls on Clemson all year.
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The teams we have played also feel the same way.
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Jan 29, 2023, 1:01 PM
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Fans always think their team is getting screwed by the refs.
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Re: Crappy refs.....
Jan 29, 2023, 1:34 PM
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They need to start calling all these pushoffs by point guards. You are only supposed to be able to use your free arm as a shield. You are not allowed to stop and shove the defender off then step back and shoot. Bugs the hell out of me along with holding the ball like a football and taking 3 steps before you even start making a layup. Call the game right!
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