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CU Medallion [58411]
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Dabo vs. Saban thru their first 65 games . . . all facts!
Sep 29, 2013, 6:45 PM
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Saban: 40-24-1
Conference titles: 1 (at Toledo)
Bowl record: 0-3
Top ten finishes: 0
Record vs. top 15 teams: 5-7
Dabo: 44-21
Conference titles: 1
Bowl record: 2-3
Top ten finishes: 1
Record vs. top 15 teams: 7-7
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Legend [19202]
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Good facts Smiling Tiger!
Sep 29, 2013, 6:49 PM
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Go Tigers!
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Orange Blooded [2659]
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Pt for great research. Got to make you proud of Dabo***
Sep 29, 2013, 7:03 PM
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Virtuoso [610]
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Seriously? How about some perspective & context?
Sep 29, 2013, 7:22 PM
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Dabo took over a team 9-4 the year before that had been a perennial under achiever. His second full season with tons of talent and an easy schedule he had a losing season.
Did Saban have to fire his OC & DC within the first 3 years to save his job?
Come on guys. It's nonsense like this that makes people from outside Tiger Nation that visit TNET think our fan base is delusional.
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CU Medallion [58411]
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Another fact - your post is full of opinion. Mine was
Sep 29, 2013, 7:30 PM
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nothing but facts.
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Virtuoso [610]
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lol wow. No facts in my post? Really? lol.***
Sep 29, 2013, 7:33 PM
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Letterman [291]
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Re: Which Tigers, Edisto? LSU?
Sep 29, 2013, 10:10 PM
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Just curious. Your posts are about as positive about the Clemson Tigers as if they are coming from an LSU Tiger fan or maybe Missouri? Just posting facts.
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Virtuoso [610]
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B/c Tnet is full of deluded Kool Aid drinkers that can't
Sep 29, 2013, 7:34 PM
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tolerate a little perspective and objectivity.
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110%er [8681]
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Re: B/c Tnet is full of deluded Kool Aid drinkers that can't
Sep 29, 2013, 7:36 PM
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And you can t tolerate whenever someone says something good about our coach
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Virtuoso [610]
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Quite the contrary. I've posted many good things about Dabo
Sep 29, 2013, 7:39 PM
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even said some good things about him today. Even said I hope I'm proven wrong and hope he effectively replaces Morris. I'm a CU alum, I want us to succeed.
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All-TigerNet [10345]
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Re: Quite the contrary. I've posted many good things about Dabo
Sep 29, 2013, 8:28 PM
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You have been proven wrong. You are just too ignorant to see it.
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Orange Blooded [1051]
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Re: ... that confirm it.***
Sep 29, 2013, 8:34 PM
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and you are the head coot screamer.
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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and you like to call people out .
Sep 30, 2013, 3:58 AM
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i have rarely seen anything, football knowledgeable, that you have posted.
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Re: Seriously? How about some perspective & context?
Sep 29, 2013, 7:40 PM
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what a ####### post and nothing more than your opinion.
Dabo did not fire his OC and DC to save his job - he fired them because he wanted hire better ones and become #3 someday - and that day is today.
You have coot logic IMO. nothing you said made logical sense to me. I guess you just don't keep up with TIGER sports.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Righttt keep thinking that. FYI Based on your logic no one
Sep 29, 2013, 8:02 PM
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has ever been fired to save their job.
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Re: Seriously? How about some perspective & context?
Sep 29, 2013, 7:58 PM
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Did Saban have an austerity budget that prevented him from hiring a quality staff when he took over because of an idiotic contract extension for the former under-achieving coach? Get real! Dabo had constraints that Saban probably didn't have, but the point is that both have been successful through that stage of their careers. Will Dabo be as successful as Saban? It's hard to say, but how successful could Dabo be if he had the resources, the conference affiliation, the budget, the program's rich history and the network hype that Saban has been the beneficiary of? One can speculate, but nobody knows. My bet is if Dabo can get it done at Clemson, he would certainly be able to get it done at AL.
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Virtuoso [610]
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We hired Dabo and he had a little budget because at the
Sep 29, 2013, 8:01 PM
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time we had a president that wasn't serious about winning big in football.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Do we not still have the same president?***
Sep 29, 2013, 8:03 PM
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He is about to retire and what changed was his new boss
Sep 29, 2013, 8:09 PM
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aka new Chairman of the Board for our Board of Trustees came in and said winning is important and a priority.
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Hall of Famer [24764]
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With this point I totally agree. Wilkins changed the BOT.***
Sep 29, 2013, 8:11 PM
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Legend [15526]
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Re: With this point I totally agree. Wilkins changed the BOT.***
Sep 29, 2013, 8:21 PM
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I agree, and I'm glad he did. Barker should have seen the benefit we receive from having a stellar football program, as well as the other sports programs, but that doesn't change my points about Dabo being successful even given the obstacles dealt him.
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Re: We hired Dabo and he had a little budget because at the
Sep 29, 2013, 8:18 PM
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I believe it is correct that Barker sees the football program and athletices in general as secondary, but you are ignoring the fact that the money allocated to the football program was not a bottomless pit, and TB had to be paid. TD Phillips had a budget, and he worked within it. Dabo had severe constraints, so severe, in fact, that he even used some of his own salary to pay assistants. Saban didn't have that to deal with, I'd bet, but believe what you wish. If you think Dabo has done poorly or that he is a failure or just mediocre, go right ahead. Dabo will just keep plodding, methodically along achieving success.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Had nothing to do with budget or TB. We are big time and
Sep 30, 2013, 2:56 AM
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have the money. TB was paid over several years. The new ESPN contract doubled our money and IPTAY is sitting on over $40 million. Money is not, nor has ever been, part of the problem at Clemson. Coaching and desire/willingness to win from those at the top have been our problem.
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Legend [15526]
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Re: Had nothing to do with budget or TB. We are big time and
Sep 30, 2013, 10:32 AM
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You couldn't be more wrong, but think what you wish. The money was a huge factor in who we selected and in who Dabo could hire.
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All-American [598]
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Re: Had nothing to do with budget or TB. We are big time and
Sep 30, 2013, 11:50 PM
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By this statement, I can tell you for a FACT, not opinion, that you don't know what you are talking about.
I can tell you that when TDP took over as AD, there was about 2 million in the bank and that was it.
TDP had to build back the funds of IPTAY. People thought that IPTAY was an endless supply of money, but that just wasn't the case. At the same time, there are other sports other than football that has to be taken care of.
It takes TIME to rebuild EVERYTHING which includes: coaches and salaries, facilities, upgrades, you name it.
It is being done now! Just be glad.
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If you're going to give some "context and perspective," be
Sep 29, 2013, 8:32 PM
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accurate:
He took over a team that started the season in the top 10 and was 3-3, won 4 of the next 7, then the next year did something his predecessor couldn't do in 10 years: win his division.
Then he did another thing his predecessor couldn't do: fire dead weight. Then he won the ACC, something his 2 predecessors didn't do.
No one is saying Dabo inherited a bare cupboard but if you can't see this difference between the program now and when he started, you're the delusional one.
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Legend [15526]
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Re: If you're going to give some "context and perspective," be
Sep 30, 2013, 1:43 PM
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You are so right on this one, and he was handed program saddled with financial obligations that had to be met, and the funds weren't unlimited. Don't know why some can't just accept that Dabo has done a Yeoman's job of straightening out a program with some pretty big problems.
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Orange Blooded [3924]
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Edisto, you are an idiot
Sep 29, 2013, 8:56 PM
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I'm tired of you posting CRAP just so you can see your name on the front page of the board. I'm fixing that now - you are blocked!
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Re: Seriously? How about some perspective & context?
Sep 29, 2013, 10:24 PM
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First, He took over a team half way into a season that was "loaded with talent" as well that TB couldn't beat Wake with.
Secondly, I find it funny that you say "perennial underachiever," which of course refers to the TB years, yet now we are more than likely going to win double digit games for the second year in a row as well as being the overwhelming favorite to win our second conference championship in three years.
And finally, yes it is "nonsense like this," which I'm going to take as a reference to your own post that makes people think we are delusional.
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Re: Seriously? How about some perspective & context?
Sep 30, 2013, 10:31 PM
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There is delusion on this board. Edisto Tiger sees to that.
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Orange Blooded [2432]
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Thanks and good work***
Sep 29, 2013, 7:30 PM
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Re: Dabo vs. Saban thru their first 65 games . . . all facts!
Sep 29, 2013, 7:51 PM
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Thanks for the facts, and just think, Dabo has earned his record while maintaining a real life and having a great personality.
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Dabo
Sep 29, 2013, 7:53 PM
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Just think where Dabo Started...how far he has come. Now...think where he could finish. Especially now that we are getting in to playoff talk in fbs.
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Virtuoso [610]
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He took over a team that had loads of talent in a bad
Sep 29, 2013, 8:05 PM
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conference that won 9 games the year before without ever being anything but a WR coach and no prospects at anything more at any other school. And he was hired b/c our president wasn't serious about winning.
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Still have the same president***
Sep 29, 2013, 8:08 PM
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CU Medallion [58411]
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and we finished #9 last year and we're #3 now.
Sep 29, 2013, 8:12 PM
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Just facts.
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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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Very I N T E R E S T I N G Stat...so Dabo is better HC IMO!
Sep 29, 2013, 8:14 PM
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Go#3TiGERs!
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Legend [15526]
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Re: Very I N T E R E S T I N G Stat...so Dabo is better HC IMO!
Sep 29, 2013, 8:30 PM
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Maybe not better, but certainly doing a pretty admirable job at this point, and that is hard to intelligently argue, IMO.
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Orange Blooded [2550]
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110%er [5776]
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And Danny was 50-13-2 --- Think what might have been
Sep 29, 2013, 8:22 PM
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over the past quarter of a century --- rather than the self-imposed death penalty.
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CU Medallion [58411]
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Tell me about it. I really don't want to think about it.***
Sep 29, 2013, 8:25 PM
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Why do some people not seem to understand that all coaches aren't cut from the same cloth
Sep 29, 2013, 8:40 PM
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Some are great offensive or defensive minds that have no business being a leader of a school's football program. Look at some of the greatest college football programs across the country and you will see that the best always share these two traits.
1. They acquire talent, staff and student
2. They develop talent and instill discipline
Dabo is beginning to fit into this catagory with the best of them.
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true dabo took over a team with a cj spiller and jacoby ford and a daquan bowers...
Sep 29, 2013, 8:52 PM
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But that was really it.....bowdens teams were soft as a box of rags that would lay down the first time the fell behind or got hit in the mouth....dabo has changed that about this team now we are the team that does not quit and we are the team that will hit your ### right in the mouth ....plus dabo has put the fear back into playing in death valley....no team feard the valley after ford left.....remember Maryland saying all you gotta do is hit them in the mouth and they willlay down.....but this year remwbwe arron murry saying that the valley was the toughest place he has evey played and he plays big boy foot all in the big bad sec.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Ranked somewhere around 35+ straight weeks
Sep 30, 2013, 4:07 AM
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Longer than all but 5-6 other programs. Probably paid less than the coaches at most of them. So please tell me who we should have hired to take a position that no top ten coach would have wanted.
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What about the head Ball Coot ?
Sep 30, 2013, 5:54 AM
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What was he after the same # of games at head coach ?
Just curious .
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Re: Dabo vs. Saban thru their first 65 games . . . all facts!
Sep 30, 2013, 10:34 AM
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Interesting
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Cool Stuff
Sep 30, 2013, 1:48 PM
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