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YOUR BALANCE
Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....
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Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....


Nov 14, 2022, 4:12 PM

With us being 10 games into the season, I decided it was time to take an in-depth look at our offense. How do the numbers actually look? Do they back up what our eyes have seen this season? And where do we rank compared to some of the top teams in the country this year? Let’s take a look.

Total Offense:

Rank: 53rd (409.2 yards/game. For reference, UGA 3rd @ 509.6, OSU 6th @ 501.9, UM 24th @ 460.3, TCU 12th @ 486.1, Tenn 1st @ 543.7).

Passing: 71st (227.1 yards/game) (For reference, UGA 9th @ 317.1, OSU 17th @ 294.0, UM 95th @ 208.9, TCU 28th @ 272.5, Tenn 2nd @ 348.2). Also of note are the 3 teams directly above us in this stat are Texas A&M, the Coots, and Northwestern… I don’t think I have to explain why this isn’t just bad but is awful.

Rushing: 41st (182.1 yards/game) (For reference, UGA 31st @ 192.5, OSU 22nd @ 207.9, UM 4th @ 251.4, TCU 16th @ 213.6, Tenn 28th @ 195.5).

3rd Down Conversions: 24th (45.9%, 68/148) (for reference, UGA 5th @ 52.1% (63/121), OSU 19th @ 47.2% (58/123), UM 15th @ 48.4% (61/126), TCU 40th @ 43.4% (59/136), Tenn 29th @ 45.5% (61/134)).

PASSING YARDS PER COMPLETION: 106th (10.97 yards, 207 total completions) – As the majority of y’all already know, we don’t throw the ball down the field and this stat proves it. (for reference, UGA 38th @ 12.89, 246 completions; OSU 6th @ 14.55 yards, 202 completions; UM 70th @ 11.94 yards, 175 completions; TCU 17th @ 13.62 yards, 200 completions; Tenn 5th @ 15.14 yards, 230 completions).

Yards per Play: 70th (5.69 yards/play) (for reference, UGA 7th @ 7.1, 718 plays; OSU 1st @ 7.6, 660 plays; UM 20th @ 6.52, 706 plays; TCU 8th @ 6.99, 695 plays; Tenn 3rd @ 7.27, 748 plays).

Passing Yards by Game (includes garbage time yards): GT 259, FU 229, LT 241, WF 371, NCS 209, BC 220, FSU 203, SY 157, ND 191, UL 191.

Receiving Stats:

Williams – 43 for 473 yards, 3 TDs, Longest catch (LC) 59 yards
Allen – 28 for 339, 3 TDs, LC 41 yards
Ngata – 26 for 376, 2 TDs LC 46 yards
Shipley – 25 for 168, 0 TDs, LC 26 yards
Collins – 20 for 308, 5 TDs, LC 40 yards
Briningstool – 17 for 195, 4 TDs, LC 31 yards
Spector – 12 for 134, 2 TDs, LC 41 yards

Everyone else has 7 catches or less and the LC is 20 yards. An interesting thing to note is that Grisham’s receivers are making more catches than Jeff Scott’s last recruits are.

Why do the receiving stats matter? Because a true freshman who did not arrive on campus until the summer and didn’t go through spring ball is by far and away the best receiver on the team at this point. The last time we had similar circumstances with a true freshman receiver being the best receiver without spring ball and the more veteran receivers being subpar and having TEs and RBs make up a fair chunk of the receiving totals was…….2010…… the last year we ran a pro offense before switching to the spread (and firing our OC at the time Billy Napier to bring in Chad Morris…yea….that long ago). The similarities between this year and 2010 are concerning (take a look):

2010 Receiving Stats:
Nuk Hopkins – 52 for 637 yards, 4 TDs
Jamie Harper – 35 for 328 yards, 3 TDs
Dwayne Allen – 33 for 373 yards, 1 TD
Jaron Brown – 32 for 405 yards, 3 TDs
Marquan Jones – 21 for 184 yards, 0 TDs
Bryce McNeal – 19 for 187 yards, 0 TDs
Andre Ellington – 12 for 109 yards, 1 TDs
Brandon Ford – 10 for 78 yards, 2 TDs
Everyone else had no more than 4 catches with no more than 1 TD catch.

People want to talk about the QB situation, but in reality, it really doesn’t matter who the QB is when the WR corps has not lived up to the billing. Yes DJ holds the ball too long at times. Why? Because WRs are not getting open. Yes Cade leaves the pocket too soon and gets himself into rough situations. Why? Because the WRs are not getting open. As ESPN showed during our game this past weekend, we are 1 of the 5 teams this year to have not had a 100-yard receiver in any game. Being 106th in the country in passing yards per completion shows not only the poor WR play but also the lack of confidence in Streeter calling more downfield throws (and in my opinion, poor play calling in the passing game from Streeter for knowing his WRs are not great but not helping them by scheming them open, especially over the middle of the field). I hope Dabo is truly aware of this as he says he is, because something has to change here. Hopefully Williams and/or Collins can be that “Nuk” type of receiver and one of these other young WRs who are being redshirted or young guys in the 2023 class are in the ballpark of Sammy Watkin’s abilities because we need it. Our offense is going to be limited until the WRs play better, regardless of how the running game does.

References
2022 Stats: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21

2010 Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/clemson/2010.html

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Sadly, Clemson is NOT Championship ready!


Nov 14, 2022, 4:15 PM

And, believe we would be exposed as such but who knowns when Dabo, Crew & Boys get wired up for the BiG games!

Oops, NDame doesn't count! Ha..

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Re: Sadly, Clemson is NOT Championship ready!


Nov 14, 2022, 4:23 PM

Just depends if they can buck the trend at this point. The numbers say no but who knows. Maybe it'll click for some of these guys going forward.

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been saying that for 16 months now......


Nov 14, 2022, 4:27 PM

WRs are a massive issue with the offense and have been for the last 2 seasons.


We used to be an explosive play offense, but the yards/play stat shows how far we've fallen in that regard.

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Re: been saying that for 16 months now......


Nov 14, 2022, 4:29 PM

agreed. They were a big problem last year with drops (I posted about those last year) and the injuries as the season went on (after all, Dabo had one of his kids start at WR the last 2 games so that tells you all you need to know about about the WRs last year).

This year's team doesn't have either of those excuses.

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Re: been saying that for 16 months now......


Nov 14, 2022, 5:14 PM

Love your numbers and the work to post them down. But I'm not sure you can deduct as much as you are on the wr problems. Where's Randall?

What about the number of plays. Way down. I do agree that some is wr problems, not getting open, some drops (especially last year) but imo it's more on qb and scheme. I've watched several game films and there's a lot of times a wr was open and dj didn't read the D or he failed to look in that direction. So I lean more towards scheme and qb with some being wr not getting it done.

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Re: been saying that for 16 months now......


Nov 14, 2022, 5:36 PM

I excluded Randall from the stats list because his numbers are even lower than Spectors (and to keep it consistent with the 2010 comparison later on). The Passing yards per completion really show the WRs but also the Qb and the scheme (as you mentioned). The WRs being a problem really were shown in the ND game footage where they just weren't getting separation, especially when going against man coverage (good example from that game is DJ looking downfield and completely missing Mafah open in the flat. The first and 2nd reads weren't getting open).

FWIW, I think Streeter should be fired because of the 10 games this year, only ONE we threw for more than 231 yards (taking away the garbage time yards like Cade's time against GT) and that was the Wake game when we really didn't have much of a choice but to throw the ball all over the yard. It really doesn't make sense why we don't throw for more yards downfield because with the running game the way it is, the WRs should be getting separation with the man to man looks (when teams load the box to stop the run) but they aren't.

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Re: been saying that for 16 months now......


Nov 14, 2022, 7:46 PM

Why Streeter? Tyler Grisham coaches the wide receivers, and they can’t block or catch.. Based on your numbers, we are way overachieving this season

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Re: been saying that for 16 months now......


Nov 14, 2022, 8:12 PM

The receivers are blocking. Those runs that Shipley and Mafah have outside are in large part because of the WRs blocking. I thought Grisham had a larger part of the problem until I did the deep dive, because if you look at who is towards the top of the numbers, they are mostly Grisham's recruits. The bigger issues with the WRs come from the more senior guys not living up to the hype, and those guys are all Jeff Scott recruits.

Streeter gets the bulk of the criticism because he's the playcaller. As the OC, his offense is generating 227.1 yards/game. That's awful. As I mentioned, Texas A&M, the Coots, and Northwestern have better passing attacks than us. His answer during the presser today from David Hood's question about why WRU isn't on track was also complete bs. "Well we spread the ball around. We have TEs and RBs on that reception chart high up. Probably first time in a while". That's why I listed the 2010 info because that was the last time we had guys that high on the chart (and not in a good way).

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Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....


Nov 14, 2022, 4:50 PM

Immaterial. We are 9-1.

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Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....


Nov 14, 2022, 4:59 PM

Yes we are 9-1, but at some point you have to look at who we have played and how we have played. You combine those two, you see that there is still a LOT of room of improvement, and it starts with the WRs in the passing game.

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That's sticking your head in the sand......


Nov 14, 2022, 5:04 PM [ in reply to Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings..... ]

it's not "immaterial" that our WRs have been a big issue.

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So are the Sanford Bulldogs. Your point?***


Nov 14, 2022, 5:45 PM [ in reply to Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings..... ]



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Samford. $&@*#(& auto-correct.***


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9-1 or not there is no way you can watch this team


Nov 14, 2022, 6:42 PM [ in reply to Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings..... ]

and feel there needs to be no kind of changes or anything just because they are 9-1..the team is 9-1 by the skin of their teeth simply because we out talent teams in a weak conference

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where we be if we win out --- CFP ??


Nov 14, 2022, 5:41 PM

Clem 12-1 win ACC ....... CFP ???


UGA wins out ---- #1

TCU wins out --- #3

O st wins out --- #2


maybe Tenn --- #4 or 5 ?

is Clemson #4 or 5 ???


who will the top 4 teams be ????

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Re: where we be if we win out --- CFP ??


Nov 14, 2022, 5:52 PM

Good question but at this point, I think we just need to see what happens instead of trying to figure out the hypotheticals. FWIW, I don't think we are good enough to win it all this year (and the point is to win it all, not just "make it" in, and the numbers show were are a step behind the top teams this year) but hopefully we get the chance to prove me wrong.

We gotta worry about actually winning the remaining 3 games first. Miami is 42nd, SC is 78th, and UNC is 124th in total defense. If we can't throw on these teams, we shouldn't even be talking about the playoff.

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Re: where we be if we win out --- CFP ??


Nov 14, 2022, 6:17 PM

I believe best thing to do on UNC is to pound the ground until they prove they can stop it.. keep it away from Drake Maye and burn clock.. if we can do that without turning the ball over a couple stops will win the game. I think we matchup well if we do what we do best and that’s feed our backs the ball

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Re: where we be if we win out --- CFP ??


Nov 14, 2022, 6:24 PM

I was thinking the same thing ...


Running and hopefully some pitch and catch


we have GOT to make some passes that are longer than 10 yards though - why not some safe out routes .....

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Re: where we be if we win out --- CFP ??


Nov 14, 2022, 6:26 PM [ in reply to Re: where we be if we win out --- CFP ?? ]

agreed and all good --- but just what do think if we are 12-1

mich 1 loss

Tenn 1 loss

TCU undefeated or 1 loss ...


only 2 games left then the champ games.



the haters of Clemson should want us to get smoked in the CFP - but a LOT of people are tired of seeing us in the CFP ....

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Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....


Nov 14, 2022, 7:37 PM

stats without context is misleading... 2010 and 2022 are apples and carrots... not even close to the same.

The scheme we have (if you look at the weekly passing charts) is all short to medium routes and we use the boundary for most of that. DJ has probably a 10-20% inaccurate or throw it away rate on a good day. DJ only plays on half the field, when was the last time you saw him throw to the opposite side of the field he started looking at, or even the middle of the field? I don;t really know what Streeters offense is about in terms of the passing game, and maybe there isn't a strategy and that is the root cause of the issues. Perhaps the coaches know DJ's limitations and play within that. My observation (and I'm looking) is DJ is not really accurate on throws to crossing or slants. He rarely hits guys in stride on those (watched Tua against Cleveland yesterday and was reminded of exactly how deadly accurate he is) and doesn;t seem to see the throwing windows. We don;t use the middle of the field, don't know why, but we don't. It's not something an opposing DC has to concern himself with, you can bring extra heat if the earth stops moving and we do have a play to the middle of the field there is a 50% chance DJ will not see the guy, hold the ball too long and make an inaccurate throw or take the sack.

Yes this is alot of DJ bashing, but tell me where I'm wrong. I think DJ needs 1-2 more years of development and he might be the QB everyone thought he would be.

90% it's not the receivers. What these guys don't do is win 50-50 balls, DJ cannot loft one up and know the receiver is going to go get it.

The ND pick 6, was that the receiver not knowing the route or was it DJ throwing to a different spot based on the read? Sure looked like DJ was expecting a stop, the corner sure knew it was going to be a stop... so is it miscommunication or just bad execution?

Not sure how that is on Grisham.

Stats don't matter if they cannot execute.

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Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....


Nov 14, 2022, 8:06 PM

The context is that they are indeed close to the same thing when you look at the WR experience level, the OC experience level, and the way both OCs approach the passing game. The schemes SHOULD be different, but are they really all that different? Yes we don't use the I formation anymore, but both systems utilize 2 backs a fair amount as well as the TEs to make up for a (you guessed it) subpar WR group. The stats do matter because we have enough data to identify some trends, and how they relate to the top ranked teams now is also relevant info. Now, to your points:


"DJ only plays on half the field, when was the last time you saw him throw to the opposite side of the field he started looking at, or even the middle of the field?"

-Last time I remember seeing it consistently (off the top of my head) was in the Wake game (2nd half ironically enough). He threw over the middle of the field in the UL game but out of an empty set to Williams near the goal line for a TD (which makes zero sense because you'd think throwing out of an empty set outside of the red zone would mean more space, yet we have very little space at the 4 yard line and called the play...).


"My observation (and I'm looking) is DJ is not really accurate on throws to crossing or slants. He rarely hits guys in stride on those"

-I'd be inclined to agree here, but we don't throw enough of those routes consistently this year to even have enough data to answer that. He threw plenty of slants and crosses in the 2 starts in 2020 in the BC and ND games.


"We don't use the middle of the field, don't know why, but we don't...and we do have a play to the middle of the field there is a 50% chance DJ will not see the guy, hold the ball too long and make an inaccurate throw or take the sack."

-Again, we don't have enough data to say for certain if what you said is correct. DJ isn't holding the ball too long when a primary or secondary read is open (as we've seen in various games this year, think the Wake game), he holds the ball too long when those first 2 reads are covered. The 3rd read seems to be the issue at thsi point (think Mafah in the ND game on 3rd down being open in front of the sticks. He was the 3rd or 4th read on that play and DJ didn't come back to him).


"90% is not the receivers"

-I'd say it's 50% Streeter, 30% Receivers, 20% DJ at this point, but that's just my opinion. WRs not able to win 50-50 balls is not a good thing because a portion of our offense calls for that. Streeter's obsession with making sure a huge portion of the guys catch the ball is a problem. He said "we spread the ball around" in today's presser yet throwing for 227.1 yards/game is hardly "spreading the ball around" effectively. There has been a fair amount of man to man coverage played against our receivers this year, and the fact they still can't get separation is indeed something that is on the receivers. Ngata of all of them as no excuse at this point.


"The ND pick 6, was that the receiver not knowing the route or was it DJ throwing to a different spot based on the read? Sure looked like DJ was expecting a stop, the corner sure knew it was going to be a stop... so is it miscommunication or just bad execution?"

-Dabo said (I think) in last week's post-wednesday practice Q&A that the receiver kept running when the call was for DJ to throw to the spot. Whether he was telling the truth or not (I don't know) is another question.

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Re: Compared to the current top teams in the rankings.....


Nov 14, 2022, 7:38 PM

Yeah, but Clemson has to play in the ACC

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bump***


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