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Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years
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Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:55 AM

is .485 (overall). What is a realistic expectation for year 13 with Clemson now spending at the #37 ranked budget in the nation?

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More of the same. If you don't change anything, why would

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:06 AM

you realistically expect a different result than history predicts?

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Pretty sure he's 218-166 at Clemson, 0.568


Apr 18, 2022, 11:09 AM

Where are you getting 0.485?

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years

[1]
Apr 18, 2022, 11:10 AM

You are lying.

If brownell is so bad, then why do people have to make up stats to make him look worse?

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Well…

[2]
Apr 18, 2022, 11:49 AM

BrownL made up a stat in his press conference last week to make himself look not as bad.

So it’s only fair.
Only difference is none of us get paid $2.5 Million for it.

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It isn't necessary...


Apr 18, 2022, 6:18 PM

56% is bad enough

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:16 AM

That is his in conference record. It is also the best of any coach as well. Thank goodness his .485 is PULLING UP our record. Overall he is about .570

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:21 AM

Just wait for the morans to come on here to tell you the ACC has been weak since brownell got here......

And then go on to explain what a great accomplishment it was when we went to the ACC championship game. (Where the ACC was the weakest it had been in years)

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years


Apr 18, 2022, 12:36 PM

No name calling please.

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But Are Those Percentages Good Enough? That is the Question.


Apr 18, 2022, 12:58 PM

And the funny thing is that many people are ok with those percentages. I would certainly hope that Clemson should aspire to at least a winning percentage in the conference most every year. If we do that then the overall percentage will climb even more.

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Re: But Are Those Percentages Good Enough? That is the Question.

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:25 PM

Pig® said:

And the funny thing is that many people are ok with those percentages. I would certainly hope that Clemson should aspire to at least a winning percentage in the conference most every year. If we do that then the overall percentage will climb even more.



Most people are not "okay" with those percentages. We need to get better.

Also, OP has very similar %, so it's fun calling out the hypocrites that bash brownell and hype up OP.

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Clemson basketball is TERRIBLE.


Apr 18, 2022, 2:41 PM

Its awful to watch, not exciting brand of ball, and we dont win. Is once per half decade a suitable average to make the tournament for you? I simply do not understand you basketball sunshine pumpers. Its truly one of the more mindboggling things you will encounter on TNET, and thats saying quite a lot.

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I don't understand you anti-Brownell folks who


Apr 18, 2022, 3:50 PM

continue to bash him and the job he does, but don't understand that our administration doesn't support the program like one that wins the way you want it to.

You can't whine and complain that we don't win more, but conveniently ignore that most other ACC programs outspend us (many by a significant margin).

If you are mostly a football fan and don't want us to spend more on basketball, just say so. But please, temper your expectations accordingly.

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Re: I don't understand you anti-Brownell folks who


Apr 19, 2022, 10:13 AM

Dude this is a tired argument. The administration has completely changed and is led by a new AD who has on multiple occasions, publicly voiced his support and vision to pump more resources into the BB program.

You gotta get off the “this administration doesn’t support BB” thing. It’s a completely different administration now.

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We support our basketball program MORE than this year's


Apr 19, 2022, 10:25 AM

ACC Champion.

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Brad Brownell: all-time losingest coach in Clemson men's basketball history, and only coach to beat North Carolina in Chapel Hill.


Not pulling it up very fast...Losing record after 12 years..


Apr 18, 2022, 6:20 PM

Thank goodness he'll be gone after next year.

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The realistic expectation is he should be fired !!!!***

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Re: The realistic expectation is he should be fired !!!!***

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:32 AM

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Fired for exceeding both the historical average number of wins and finish in the ACC based on investment?

Someone needs to explain ROI to you?

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He's not a good coach PERIOD !!!!


Apr 18, 2022, 11:46 AM

He wasn't an average coach, at best, when he was hired and that absolutely remains the case today.

If best is the standard, THIS AIN'T IT !!!!

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The one thing you need to understand but don't


Apr 18, 2022, 1:07 PM

is that "best is the standard" can only apply if the administration is held to that standard - not just the coaches and players.

Some of you seem to think that we are supposed to be a consistent winner, despite our administration continuing to fund basketball at a low level. We just lost two assistants to power 5 programs that aren't as successful as we are lately, for crying out loud. They are probably paying those coaches more too.

So this stupid "best is the standard" crap has to stop. It was great when Dabo said it for football. It worked, because we had or were in the process of having the best facilities in college football and the highest paid staff in college football. Dabo was paid among the highest coaches in the sport. Our football fan support is rabid - arguably the best. So yes, "best is the standard" makes sense for football at Clemson.

It doesn't make sense for Clemson basketball unless the administration is ponying up millions more per year for basketball. Otherwise, please stop with these ridiculous expectations.

Yet we still have posters here who say that we spend plenty on basketball and deserve better. You can't make up the idiocy!

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Re: The one thing you need to understand but don't


Apr 18, 2022, 1:35 PM

This is my question for you... do you really think that 2-3 million more dollars per year for the basketball program will result in 5-6 more conference wins per year?

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Yes, absolutely!


Apr 18, 2022, 3:38 PM

Brad routinely exceeds Clemson's ACC rank in:

-Program spending
-Attendance
-Historical performance

in terms of the number of wins each year.

Logic tells us that if he can assemble a better staff, and recruit to top notch facilities, that we will continue to recruit better players who are learning from better coaches, and thus have more success in terms of wins.

As I've said, if that additional investment is made in the program and Brad doesn't achieve more, then we know we've done all we can for him and are in a much better position to hire his replacement.

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Re: The one thing you need to understand but don't

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Apr 18, 2022, 3:58 PM

Pig® said:

This is my question for you... do you really think that 2-3 million more dollars per year for the basketball program will result in 5-6 more conference wins per year?



If it won’t we could save a lot of money by cutting the salaries of the football staff

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What amount is enough?


Apr 18, 2022, 1:39 PM

If the status quo doesn't change, then there is never enough. We're losing so many close winnable games. No dollar amount can fix that problem.

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If we aren’t willing to dump millions more into basketball

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Apr 18, 2022, 3:23 PM

year after year after year, shouldn’t we just cancel the program? Supposedly the program runs in the black by a couple of mil, so upping the amount would eliminate that and make the program a net zero.

I’m coming around to the Judge’s view. We should just accept the level of mediocrity we get with Brad and pocket the extra couple of mil. The results are what they are. It would be silly to expect anything better.

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Based on one bad coach??***


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I believe most of those close games are close


Apr 18, 2022, 3:43 PM

because of good coaching by Brownell. In the past, we might not have been as competitive in those games based on our talent on paper.

I do think we need to find ways to win more of the close games, but blaming most of those losses on coaching is unfair in my opinion.

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If they were only paid more we would be winning those games.***


Apr 18, 2022, 6:25 PM



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Re: What amount is enough?


Apr 18, 2022, 3:52 PM

Right now basketball is a donor program. It basically pays for some other sport or two. For every dollar it can be a donor is another dollar the football team keeps (the only other donor sport).

However, while it is a donor sport, even breaking even in spending won't put us on the "contender list". If we want to be on the contender list, we have to start thinking Louisville ... both buying our way in as well as spending. If you don't have legacy, you have to spend new money.

That means to be a basketball contender, basketball needs to become a donee sport. That just isn't taking a dollar away from football... it is two dollars for about 1.5-2M mark and then a dollar after that.

So why do we not shut it down... well it is a donor sport and Soccer coaches need a raise. I am fine with our ROI right now. Want a little more but it is fine.

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The CUAD can pump all kinds of money into the program...

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Apr 18, 2022, 3:16 PM

and it's not going to matter as long as BB is the coach.

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What is that belief based on?


Apr 18, 2022, 3:46 PM

Just a gut feeling?

I've posted about this many times, but if you look at where we finish in the ACC on average under Brad, it's well ahead of where we rank in the ACC when it comes to program spending, fan attendance, and Clemson's historical basketball performance in the conference.

That data suggests that Brad is already overachieving, and should achieve more with better investment in the program by Clemson's AD.

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$63 Million***


Apr 18, 2022, 6:22 PM



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Apr 19, 2022, 9:00 AM

UVA spent more than twice that in 2006...

So more like 10 years late and 100 million short.

Or really, 3650 days late and $27,397 per day short...

Nearly bankrupted them but they won it all...

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Twelve years of largely mediocre results.***


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Lame @ss excuse...BB was given a $63 million facility.

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Apr 18, 2022, 6:22 PM

And 6 years to do something with it and he was one game over .500 last year. It would take an idiot to call that progress.

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i'm 1 of those.***


Apr 18, 2022, 6:30 PM



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So, Doc says it's .57% overall all-time..


Apr 18, 2022, 11:47 AM

and I'd thought it was around 55%, so close.

Now, is 57% win rate good, middling or bad?

Note: Don't want Judge Keller to get upset and maybe throw an old jock strap at me since the guy has recently been nice and joined in on some of my posts. Plus, I know Brad is a great citizen, a Christian, gets his players to ball most of the time, pushes players for high graduation rates and is liked by the Administration (and by our JK).

Oh, BB is 1st BB HC to beat Heels in Orange County (aka: Chapel Hill, NC) EVER and that's worth many Brownie points!!!

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Over the last 40 years Brown L's win % is last among


Apr 18, 2022, 12:08 PM

any coach here not named Shyatt.

#Winning #OverAchieve #FreeClemsonBasketball

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Re: Now, is 57% win rate good, middling or bad?


Apr 18, 2022, 7:20 PM

Overall percentages for random ACC schools, or if you prefer, ACC teams who sometimes wear orange:

Virginia .586
Miami .577
Syracuse .684
Virginia Tech .547

Throwing in a few others:

NCSU .619
FSU .588
Georgia Tech .526

The ones everyone compares themselves to:
Duke .710
UNC .735

And the rest:
Wake .553
Boston .541
Louisville .663

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Re: Now, is 57% win rate good, middling or bad?


Apr 19, 2022, 10:20 AM

Might as well toss Clemson's record in there...


0.506

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Re: Now, is 57% win rate good, middling or bad?


Apr 19, 2022, 10:22 AM

And Considering we, as a program, are 31 games above .500 and BB is 58 games above .500 at Clemson ... well

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Re: Now, is 57% win rate good, middling or bad?


Apr 19, 2022, 10:23 AM

*52

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years

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Apr 18, 2022, 12:28 PM

As others have pointed out, that's not overall record, that's conference record. Which is the best conference record of any Clemson coach ever, in the ACC or Southern.

I posted this a week or so ago in response to "Is there anything about Brownell that is positive?"

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Well, I've become convinced that it is almost certainly time to find someone who can help Clemson win more games, more consistently. And certainly if next years results are not better.

But there are significant positives for Brownell, nonetheless.

Here's one: first and only Clemson coach to ever win a game at Chapel Hill, breaking an 0-59 streak.

In the last 6 years, his teams have won several post-season games, including making an NCAA Sweet 16 appearance in 2018.

2017 ACC tournament, #12 seed, beat #13 NCSU, then lost to #5 Duke (Duke won tournament).
2018 ACC tournament, #4 seed (double-bye), beat #12 BC, then lost to #1 UVS (UVA won tournament)
2019 ACC tournament, #9 seed lost to #8 seed NCSU 59-58
2020 ACC tournament, #8 seed beat #9 Miami (Brownell became first Clemson coach to end the season with a win, as remaining ACC and NCAA & NIT games were canceled due to COVID)
2021 ACC tournament, #5 seed, lost to #13 Miami
2022 ACC tournament, #10 seed, beat #13 NCSU, then lost to #7 Va Tech (Va Tech won tournament)

2017 NIT #2 seed, first round loss to #7 seed Oakland
2018 NCAA #5 seed made Sweet 16 (beat #12 New Mexico State and #4 Auburn, lost to #1 Kansas [KSU final four])
2019 NIT #2 seed, won 1st round vs #7 Wright State, lost to #6 Witchita State
2020 no post season for anyone (COVID)
2021 NCAA #7 seed, lost to #10 seed Rutgers
2022 did not qualify

Brownell and Clemson represented the US in the 2019 World University games, went 6-0 and won the gold medal.

I cannot remember any disciplinary problems of any significance on Brownell teams. As far as I know, there's not been any allegations of NCAA violations on Brownell teams.

In years past, Clemson got run out of the gym on a regular basis, with 20 or even 30 point losses. I feel the poor record Brownell has in close games overlooks the fact that there are now more close games (but I have not done any analysis to that effect, it just seems that way). Yeah, we have some big losses, but they're not by 30 points anymore and I feel like the team is playing hard every minute of every game rather than giving up like they obviously did in the past.

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years


Apr 18, 2022, 4:34 PM

Simple answer - he cannot recruit BIG time players - and in bb you only need 3 of them to really be good and go to the NCAA tournament.

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You don’t consider PJ Hall a big time player?***


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Who else would you consider Big Time Players under Brownell?***


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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years


Apr 19, 2022, 10:19 AM

Who was the last "big time" player recruited at Clemson?

And Jennings was not a big-time player. Actually, didn't play all that much.

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.486 would be an astounding improvement.

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:54 PM

I’m so pumped just thinking about it!

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Re: Coach Brownell’s winning % over 12 years


Apr 19, 2022, 9:07 AM

Set your sights High ! Try to consistently Win less than Half your games!
Sounds like Championship Aspiration right??

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