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Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Go year by year. I'll completely give him a pass his first season. He had a good core of players returning mainly Demontez Stitt, Jerai Grant, Tanner Smith, and Andre Young. Stitt had a surgery early in the season that probably cost the team a few games early, but played well late getting to the NCAAT.
Final record 22-12. ACC 9-7 4th
Brad's second season Clemson had a season in the ACC that was pretty decent,
But really played pretty bad early losing games to mid major teams on consecutive nights to College of Charleston & Coastal Carolina. Then also lost to UTEP and Hawaii. This team should have been an NIT team with decent talent from Oliver Purnell in Tanner Smith, Andre Young, Devin Booker and Milton Jennings. If they won three of those games early should have been in some type of post season. Here was the Coastal Carolina loss at the buzzer at home where no one boxed out on the putback. Just brutal:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwg7Z7CZqHs
Final record 16-15 ACC 8-8 7th
The next season was just a rebuilding season and any remaining symbolence of OP's program had been torn down. Including looking lost in the ACC, Clemson had a return game at Coastal Carolina and was blown out 69-46. Just pathetic.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/323540324%3fplatform=amp
Final Record 13-18- ACC 5-13 11th
The next season was a good team led by KJ McDaniels that finished in NIT semis in NY, but a couple of brutal close loses doomed the Tigers of reaching the NCAAT. Road loses to bad teams Wake and Notre Dame:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIArf_U1LVw
and then the home loss to Pitt in the last home game of regular season. Clemson had a decent lead and then in typical Brownell fashion couldn't get the ball inbounds and Pitt scored to send it into overtime. There was some controversy if Pitt scored in time at the end of the clock, but let's face it if they didn't turn the ball over the Tigers would have won that game.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0CqilESxrM
Finally what sealed Clemson's NIT fate was a Duke close loss I the ACCT where the Tigers couldn't score late and you no you aren't going to get a call like that late:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ4JcUIU3p8
Final record: 23-13 - 10-8 ACC 6th.
In 2014-15 after KJ, where Brad kept on saying they didn't expect KJ to leave. Well, it happened with just about everyone else back.
First a loss to Winthrop at home, Then a brutal loss to Gardner-Webb with no time outs left in the tournament. G-W scored to tie and lousy communication cost the Tigers with one of the most embarasing loses in its history.
Here is the exhibit:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2276163-clemson-pulls-a-chris-webber-calls-timeout-it-doesnt-have-and-loses-game.amp.html
Also lost some close games in the regular season. Win the G-W and few others games including giving a big lead to FSU in the ACCT and drastic comeback that faltered sealed Clemson's fate again from any post season even if it just was the NIT. Starting to see a bad trend in the ACCT?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmcGsqujYY
Final Record 16-15 - 8-10 ACC 9th
In 2015-16 the season at the Well, Clemson probably came so close to making the NCAAT under Brad. Everyone talks about the three straight wins at home over ranked teams Duke, Louisville, and Miami but had some head scratching loses - a blow out loss to a bad UMass team in the Las Vegas Tourney. The Tigers gave up like 16 3s.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMYnbZQgCpM
The Tigers lost like 6 games by three points or less. Win just two more of these games and the Tigers go dancing. They didn't even go to the NIT. Here was the ACCT loss to a bad Ga Tech team where gave up an 18 pt lead and lost in overtime.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3vhs7vu0dZQ
Final Record 17-14 ACC 10-8 7th
OK, so here we go the first season in the renovated Littlejohn 2016-17. Again a few very close loses-- like 6 games 3pts or less cost the Tigers. Win two of those games and the Tigers are dancing. The loss at the buzzer to Syracuse when Brad was supposed to take out Djitte and had a bad substitution. You can see Brad running to the other end of the court but it was too late:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_pwUI5HMIg
Here was the loss to the Tar Holes in OT where Brad was mad at one of the Holes players talking to the bench:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eMr0Ze8EcAk
And then finally another NIT bid. The Tigers had a embarasing loss to Oakland. This was the season that should have ended it for Brad. DRad felt he needed more time to recruit in the new renovations.
Final Record 17-16 ACC 6-12 12th
2017-18. Again Brad should be congratulated for the Sweet-Sixteen. But the Tigers should have taken advantage and gone to probably at least one or two more NCAAT bids since then.
Final Record 25-10 ACC 11-7 3rd
2018-19 maybe the most frustrating aspect of Brad's tenure. He had nucleus except for Gabe Devoe and Donte Grantham return and couldn't get a NCAAT. The Tigers started #19 in the country. Again, went back to losing some extraordinary close loses. Like 5 with in 3 pts. Here was the loss at NC State giving up a big 3 at the end after Reed missed 4 straight free throws.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5_flCTijlpY
Here was a loss at a bad Miami team in typical fashion at the end:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0kSi2RIao
Here was another very close loss to UNC. Again had the ball after the missed free throw and didn't call a timeout left it had to use. Brad has used and not used timeout at needed times in his history. Win two and the Tigers probably could have been dancing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCmYlhfiXc
And finally another frustrating loss in the ACCT to NC State. Not going to get that call late on Tobacco Road. The Tigers still needed at least one more win in the ACCT even if they did get this one. The earlier loses hurt especially those two I indicated.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=upvjilOJQWs
Final Record 20-14 ACC 9-9 8th
Next was the Covid hault year of 2019-20. Again, some great wins, but still a typical one game over 500 record. They were not going to the NIT at just 16-15 . It could have come even been closer to a more satisfying season if the Tigers get a few more wins. The losses in opener at home to Va Tech, at a bad Wake team, at a bad Ga Tech team, and vs Notre Dame were very frustrating.
Final Record 16-15 ACC 9-11 9th
The COVID season. Again going to give Brad a pass because he did make it to the NCAAT with about 7 or 8 wins vs NCAAT teams, but they ended on a whimper. The two very closes loses to a bad Miami team with only 6 scholarship players who played the day before in the ACCT and Rutgers in the NCAAT continues the trend of very close frustrating loses.
Miami loss
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UGdgatXLzu0
Rutgers loss. Bad defense in last possession to give up layup down by two, and then no plan with 10 seconds down by 4:
https://www.ncaa.com/video/basketball-men/2021-03-20/mbk-231-rutgers-clemson-highlight
Final Record 16-8 ACC 10-6 5th
Now this season is pretty fresh. But still giving up huge big leads to the Bonnies, and WVU where you had a chance. But add 6 men on the court to pathetic loses with the time out to G-W, bad substitution buzzer beater vs Syracuse videos
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1462574680561180674
And then the 23 point lead get away at home loss to BC. Just bad defense and decisions late again. Oh another one posesion loss.
https://theacc.com/news/2022/1/15/mens-basketball-boston-college-rallies-from-23-down-to-beat-clemson-70-68.aspx
And finally as Brad calls it another "brutal" loss in the ACCT to champion Va Tech where Brad looked lost like a lot of these buzzer beaters when the Hokies had 5 guards who were all planning 3 point shots to win the game. NO 1-3-1 half court press to stall them like the Tigers used successfully in the 5 game winning streak, or even anything resembling good defense.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb1FsZ0z7G8
Final Record 17-16 ACC 8-12 10th
Now just as was posted before. All these low percentage wins in one possession games, and other ways to lose with more talent as far as a lot of high 3 and lower 4 star talent than Oliver Purnell, does Brad deserve to come back?
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 2:47 PM
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NOT ENOUGH OF A MAN TO ANSWER MY QUESTION BUT INSTEAD TURN ME IN TO THE PRINCIPAL. TELLS A LOT.
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This review is completely D##NING.
Mar 15, 2022, 2:50 PM
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Time to move on and try something new.
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C'mon, man! He just needs more time. Nobody can build a
Mar 15, 2022, 2:57 PM
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program in 12 years!
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We can't do any better unless we pump a lot more money into
Mar 15, 2022, 2:59 PM
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the basketball program, and we just don't have it. So, this is the best it will ever be.
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He's got a good group coming back, we could be better
Mar 15, 2022, 3:02 PM
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next year. We could move up to 8th or 7th!
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Re: He's got a good group coming back, we could be better
Mar 15, 2022, 3:57 PM
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next year. We could move up to 8th or 7th!
In the last 5 years we have finished 3rd in the ACC and 5th in the ACC. We should be better next year and it is reasonable to think we could perform at a top 5 level in the ACC next year.
Your post makes it seem like we never finish below 7th or 8th.
Again, I'm not advocating for brownells firing/staying.
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We could go undefeated and win it all.
Mar 15, 2022, 5:11 PM
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But our average finish since LJ upgrades in 2016 is 7.8, including a 7th, 8th, 10th, and 12th. This is ridiculous.
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 3:02 PM
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NO. NO. NO. ugg, I will fight on the Rutgers game. Go watch your own clip.
Rutgers loss. Bad defense in last possession to give up layup down by two, and then no plan with 10 seconds down by 4:
NO!
First, it was not some "bad defense". We force a panicked pass from the guard who picked up his opwn dribble beyond the arc. Pass went into the interior which Simms reached in and deflected the ball cleanly... but that deflection went to the Rutgers kid for a layup because Simms laid it all out and was on the hardwood.
It was good defense with a bad deflection luck between two decent teams. Otherwise it was played correctly and with the 10 seconds left, we would have been in excellent shape to win (ask VT about that)
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 3:03 PM
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I appreciate your hard work with that, all that to say, it’s been obvious for years that Brad Brownell’s nothing more than a mediocre coach. He’s inability, or unwillingness, to do the easy things at the end of games to help his team is why I can’t stand him.
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If we hire a new coach, there's no guarantee they will be
Mar 15, 2022, 3:04 PM
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any better. In fact THEY COULD BE WORSE! So we must never ever do that! We need that guarantee first, like we got with Dabo! A coach with zero risk!
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 3:04 PM
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You are like the guy whose truck is running rough and you keep replacing the spark plugs over and over thinking it will fix the problem. BTW you should do the same analysis for Clemson basketball over the last 50 or so years.
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So your position is that Clemson basketball can't ever
Mar 15, 2022, 3:08 PM
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be any better because we don't have, or won't allocate the money needed to be better, and this is as good as it will ever be?
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Re: So your position is that Clemson basketball can't ever
Mar 15, 2022, 4:29 PM
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be any better because we don't have, or won't allocate the money needed to be better, and this is as good as it will ever be?
The data indicates we have been average or worse for the most part of forever. We can throw resources at the problem and see what happens but there are no guarantees. Or we could decide as fans that we have had enough and group fund a basketball NIL. Just about every other school does the same thing in terms of cycling through coaches to get better (WF, Pitt, WF and NCSU to name a few) and it never works for more than 1-2 good years at most.
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Okay, just so I understand, if Clemson fans want better
Mar 15, 2022, 4:50 PM
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basketball, your solution is those fans need to pony up money for NIL, and mine is to get rid of a coach that we know is not working and try another one that may.
Got it.
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Re: Okay, just so I understand, if Clemson fans want better
Mar 15, 2022, 4:58 PM
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basketball, your solution is those fans need to pony up money for NIL, and mine is to get rid of a coach that we know is not working and try another one that may.
Got it.
The flaw in your logic is we have been terrible forever and average to good under CBB. So a coach comes in and improves the program over the where we have been in a typical year and you want to change the one variable we can point to which is better than the others.
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Re: Okay, just so I understand, if Clemson fans want better
Mar 15, 2022, 5:13 PM
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The flaw in your logic is that you are ignoring the last 30 years. He did not improve the program. We made three strait tournaments and were primed for a fourth in his 1st year. Have we made it back to that level of being consistently good?
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Exactly. We have not improved one iota under Brownell
Mar 15, 2022, 5:37 PM
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in 12 years.
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Re: Exactly. We have not improved one iota under Brownell
Mar 15, 2022, 5:39 PM
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And will not in the future. It is always a woulda, coulda, shoulda littany of excuses. He is out of his league. Please send nctigs post to Graham Neff.
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Re: Okay, just so I understand, if Clemson fans want better
Mar 15, 2022, 5:44 PM
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He regressed the program dramatically in one season. Then after 5 seasons showed moderate improvement but has remained well below his predecessor. His only claim to fame is his 2 wins in the tournament. I'm not counting the play-in game in his first season. Yes, it is a play-in game to the round of 64 which was the only tournament available to the coaches we compare him to. If Brownell had shown a tendency to get the tourney less but go deeper when he does maybe we consider adjusting expectations. But his next appearance was a one and done. He continues to not even make the NIT. And he is not once, in 12 seasons, strung together 2 wins in the ACC tournament. It should have happened by accident by now. So there is no reason to believe that while we may only make the tourney every 3rd or 4th year we're going to make some miraculous deep run. The Sweet Sixteen appearance is clearly the outlier. That anyone is left disputing this is ridiculous.
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except that as usual your analysis is wrong. Controlled for
Mar 15, 2022, 5:38 PM
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SRS, SOS, or RPI Brownell is only better than Shyatt of all our coaches since Foster. And he's closer to Shyatt than the others. You obviously want to keep Coach Brownell so you ignore this reality. Obviously whether we have been "terrible forever" is subjective. But the coach who is the 5th best of 6 coaches in almost 50 years can not be "better than the others." He is clearly better than an other coach. But that's it.
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 4:14 PM
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@nctigs
Did you perform this research for a project in your 10th grade P.E. Class?
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 4:53 PM
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...."you no you aren't going to get a call like that late"... Uhh that would be know. Its one thing to have an agenda but at least use your words and state it properly. SMDH
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 5:05 PM
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This list is too long.
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 5:31 PM
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Please send this analysis to neffg at clemson.edu.
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Re: Exhibits of Brad Brownell failures...(long)
Mar 15, 2022, 6:26 PM
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I will say the last game vs Va Tech at the buzzer in the ACC Tournament is so typical of Brad. They lost so many close games and leads by botching things late. Brad looked so many times like a little kid on the bench wanting to know if he did wrong or no Well, obviously at was wrong. This game would have been a fitting end, but evedintally no...
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