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May 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

And yes this study has already appeared on Twitter, many times. And it's true.

The VE for the bivalent vaccines was always in the 30% ballpark (and this study was with the original omicron variants btw). I've seen 30%, 35%, whatever. I never took the bivalent because of this, and another reason....

MORE RECENTLY, also posted on Twitter, are further studies (from overseas of course - Japan and China I believe), that show the bivalent vaccines have statistically NO BENEFIT against the variants circulating the past 2-3 months (XBB family). It's actually down to below 5% now. It was up around 30% or so with the original omicron variants (this study is an example), but with the XBB family, it's nearly useless.

However, the biggest reason not to get the bivalent vaccine now isn't only because it doesn't work well against what's circulating, and that's a good reason. But the fact they included the original Wuhan spike in the bivalent vaccines is the biggest problem. During the time when the vaccines were introduced, and even the original Wuhan boosters, what was circulating at that time was susceptible to the vaccine, and they helped. BUT, with what's going around now, further introductions of the Wuhan spike are NOT RECOMMENDED. The problem is original antigenic sin, or immune imprinting. With the bivalent vaccine, and yet another dose of the original Wuhan strain, that retains your immune memory to the original Wuhan variant which is nearly useless today. This makes your body less able to adapt to beat infections of the currently circulating variants. In other words, if you get the bivalent booster, you lose some of the ability to mount the best defense against what's going around now. Likewise, if you had the original vaccines, and even the original Wuhan-only booster, and then stopped, after 2 omicron infections that OAS, or memory imprinting, is erased, meaning you actually fight the current variants better than if you had the bivalent vaccine.

As a result of this, the WHO has already recommended NOT including the Wuhan spike in any additional boosters. Still, if you're in horrible health, I probably wouldn't get the booster, unless you can get an omicron only vaccine somehow. Then the benefit is better, but even then only for the most vulnerable. The bivalent vaccines should always have been omicron only in the spike.

The original vaccines were timely and necessary, but this was never a virus vaccines would prevent or eradicate. All they were was a complimentary first exposure, and that saved millions of lives. It was never a cure, or preventative, no matter who lied to you about that. And that's the problem we had that cost us more lives. Poor leadership. It didn't change from Trump to Biden btw. Poor is poor, it's bipartisan.

The only thing left to see are the long-term impacts. It may take years to see those. The immune damage is real, but how that plays out remains to be seen. I have no doubt the misinformed will blame the vaccines, but the NIH has finally admitted the damage occurs (CDC also), having just released a study in May 2023, using data from late 2020 (before vaccines). And yes, the vaccines may not prevent the immune damage or long term issues that may arise, but I'm sure the anti-vax crowd will blame the vaccines anyway, and they can because public health (poor leadership) has not informed people of what they've already known for some time now.

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