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Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks
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Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks


May 3, 2012, 1:41 PM

I don't really know how I feel yet on the possibility of Clemson to the Big 12, but I can't help but wonder what the SEC thinks about this. I'm sure the coots will chime in and say they don't care...and who knows maybe the conference leaders in the SEC have their heads so far up their butts that they feel the same way. BUT I don't see how it could be good for them at all to give Texas and Oklahoma games in the southeast every single year. Their supposed recruiting gains by adding A&M would be more than offset if this were to go down.

In my opinion its in the SEC's best interest for the ACC to stay stable as opposed to the Big 12 coming in and taking what parts of the ACC they want and pushing their way into the SEC's territory. Now if Clemson and FSU are intent on getting out of the ACC, I'm no expert, but I don't see how they wouldn't try to protect their turf by telling the schools that are opposed to adding Clemson and FSU to the SEC: too bad so sad. Does the SEC really want a left over like NCState?

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Mike Slive isn't stupid....


May 3, 2012, 1:47 PM

regardless of what a bunch of moronic $CU fans say or think, the $EC will absolutely be watching this very closely and weighing its options over whether to add a couple of more teams themselves (NC State or Virginia Tech for example).

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Re: Mike Slive isn't stupid....


May 3, 2012, 1:50 PM

We are not leaving the ACC.....period!

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how's that possible


May 3, 2012, 1:52 PM

when you left in '71 and took your '69 banner with you?

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I'm pretty sure we speaking hypothetically.***


May 3, 2012, 1:52 PM [ in reply to Re: Mike Slive isn't stupid.... ]



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Re: Mike Slive isn't stupid....


May 3, 2012, 1:57 PM [ in reply to Mike Slive isn't stupid.... ]

You are right that they'd be looking for new markets.

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Certainly wouldn't be looking for better athletic programs***


May 3, 2012, 7:36 PM



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Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks


May 3, 2012, 1:51 PM

I'm not the SEC, but here's what I've gathered from reading articles from far and wide. Any future SEC expansion will be strictly about TV sets and specifically about those sets as it relates to starting their own network. You collect a subscription fee for households PER STATE, and that's the key. They have no interest in expanding in a state where they already have a team because they will already be collecting a fee in that state. That's why you continue to hear NC State and VT. Two states they're not currently in but it would allow them to collect a fee from all the subscribers in those states.
So, do they really want a NC State? Probably not. But they do want the incremental money that they can bring

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Yes, I've heard all of that. The problem is


May 3, 2012, 1:58 PM

is it better to gain a few television sets in NC and VA or keep all the sets you already have all to yourself? The way I see it, if you let the Big 12 in your neighborhood you are giving a big dog entrance into your area which could hurt a lot more than gaining some sets in VA and NC.

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They are eyeing new markets. PERIOD. The Big 12 is our


May 3, 2012, 2:03 PM

ticket. We need to stop pussyfooting around trying to find a reason why the SEC might want us. The SEC has known for awhile that us and FSU might do something like this. We need to grab on to the sure thing, which, I believe the Big 12 is.

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simmer down dude. I'm not advocating for Clemson to the SEC


May 3, 2012, 2:07 PM

I am just wondering how the SEC views the possibility of Clemson/FSU to the Big 12 and how it would affect them.

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I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable


May 3, 2012, 4:12 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks ]

subscription. The last time I checked the closest B1G school is over four states away. I'm also curious as to why the B1G, who already HAS a subscription-based network up and running, chose to go after Nebraska and its small TV markets instead of Rutgers, Pittsburgh, UConn, Syracuse, etc. when the opportunity presented itself. I mean, isn't it ALL about TV markets these days? Isn't that the end-all be-all of the future of college athletics?

I'm pretty sure Slive is smart enough to see how conference expansion based on TV markets works out - hello ACC. I know Delaney is smart enough - he's already proven it.

Why would the Big 12 even remotely consider Clemson over Louisville, Cincinnati, and some of the other "big market" schools? They'd rather have the number of South Carolina TV sets over Ohio or Kentucky? Maybe, just maybe it is because Clemson is a national football brand and national football brands are what sell viewers and ratings?

Before the coot brigade goes nuts again and jumps up and down in hysteria over this, understand that I am not a fan of joining the SEC, I just see it as inevitable. I'd rather see the ACC add two more football brands to make up for their basketball focus, get Swofford out of the way (this is way over his head), structure the divisions to enhance national appeal and rivalries, and be part of a league that controls the East Coast. I guess Swofford out of the way would be first.

Anyway, Go Tigers!

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Re: I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable


May 3, 2012, 4:22 PM

Unfortunately, we are not a national elite program. Nebraska is a different story. If this was the 1980s, then yes, we could call ourselves a national program. But George H W Bush was President then. That's a long time ago. I'd like to think that dabo will get us back to that level. I think he will. But we are not there yet. The OB really set us back more than we realize.

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Agree we're not a nationally elite program from a


May 3, 2012, 4:28 PM

competitive standpoint, though that finally seems to be changing. We are, however, a very recognizable national product, with both a following and tradition that rivals just about any team out there.

Your own comments though further confirm what I believe to be the driving force right now in expansion - outside of the ACC model - and it's branding, not TV market size.

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Re: Agree we're not a nationally elite program from a


May 3, 2012, 4:36 PM

What you are saying unfortunately is not what sells. People tune in to see elite matchups if they don't have a vested interest in the matchup. Fans are interested only in what's relevant today, not 50 years ago. We just disagree. I'm stoked about the Big 12. I would like to see us go there. I'd be excited playing texas and Oklahoma and seeing them come to town. i think it's going to happen. we will know for sure by the end of June, I think.

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I would love to see us play OU and Texas on a regular basis


May 3, 2012, 4:50 PM

as well, the Kansas and Iowa teams, and the rest of the league for that matter, not all that much.

FSU and Clemson are a strong package. Very strong. And we're each in a position to seek greener pastures than what we have now. In today's market, there's not a better 1-2 punch than what we bring to the table for a conference, or what we keep at the table with the ACC. Two nationally relevant football brands, with giant sold out stadiums rich with atmosphere, and dripping with the tradition that makes college football different than any other sport in America.

We'll all know the final tally soon enough I suppose.

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Re: I would love to see us play OU and Texas on a regular basis


May 3, 2012, 5:18 PM

Every conference has teams that are not appealing. But, with the Big 12, you think FOOTBALL. With the ACC, you know it's a basketball conference. Always has been and always will be. We know the Big 12 truly needs us and I think wants us. I'd rather go to a conference that needs us. I think it will make for a better "marriage". If we go to the Big 12, I'm going to celebrate like it's 1999.

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Re: I would love to see us play OU and Texas on a regular basis


May 3, 2012, 5:24 PM

I think if the Big 12 really needed Clemson and FSU...they would have been knocking down the door. Again, there has been no source of proof that the Big 12 wants or needs Clemson or FSU. I've seen a source that they would like to get Louisville and Notre Dame. Now, I'm not saying that Clemson and FSU wouldn't help the conference in strenght but there has been no real talk about it. Not saying it won't ever happen but right now it is just a message board rumor.

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Re: I would love to see us play OU and Texas on a regular basis


May 3, 2012, 5:41 PM

I know you could be right about that. I guess I'm excited about it because i see it as our only possible realistic out from a basketball conference into a more football-oriented conference. And I think it could be better financially for us.

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Re: I would love to see us play OU and Texas on a regular basis


May 3, 2012, 5:58 PM

The thing you have to question about it being better financially is this: I heard the exit fee is 20 mil. Two questions about that is - 1)Does Clemson have the money or how will they get it? 2) How long will it take for them to get the exit fee? IF they decided to go after both Clemson and FSU...there is no way the Big 12 will help with the fees. Thats 40 mil between those two schools. The next thing to think about is..how long will it take Clemson to recover financially?

Now, I could care less if Clemson came to the Big 12 or not. That is not a knock on Clemson or anything. Could them and FSU help the Big 12? Absoultly. It would be nice though to see OU play in South Carolina since I live in South Carolina.

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Re: I would love to see us play OU and Texas on a regular basis


May 3, 2012, 6:10 PM

yes, I'm not sure about the finances for the reason you give plus the travel.

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Re: Agree we're not a nationally elite program from a


May 3, 2012, 4:37 PM [ in reply to Agree we're not a nationally elite program from a ]

I don't know if the traditions rival the more elite programs but Clemson is known throughout the country.

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Well known throughout the country.***


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Re: Well known throughout the country.***


May 3, 2012, 6:03 PM

I'll stick with known...its not a knock against Clemson or the fans but I don't most poeple know where Clemson is or know anything about them.

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Re: I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable


May 3, 2012, 4:24 PM [ in reply to I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable ]

what two football "brands are left?

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Re: I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable


May 3, 2012, 4:33 PM [ in reply to I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable ]

Good post, but the best part about it was, ' . . .get Swofford out of the way (this is way over his head) . . .' I'm very thankful we have Slive running things in the SEC - with the one major exception being his and the entire SEC office's pandering to UGA's scheduling requests.

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Re: I live in Cootlumbia and the B1G Network is part of my cable


May 3, 2012, 4:38 PM

We lucked out wth Mike Slive. He doesn't look impressive. But the man produces.

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Much like they only brought in SCAR to get a champ game***


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Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks


May 3, 2012, 1:56 PM

### for Tat. If the Big 12 comes into the southeast, that doesn't change anything pre-TAM and Mizzou days. They are in the SE and we are in the SW. It's all a wash.

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You can comfort yourself with that


May 3, 2012, 1:59 PM

but I see it as much more beneficial to keep the Big 12 out than to allow them in.

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The problem you (clemson) has


May 3, 2012, 2:09 PM

is that the SEC won't take a paycut to bring in clemson and FSU. We just won't. You would not either. Two years ago, in Chicago, Mike Slive met with network executives. They gave Slive the criteria for which they would improve on the TV deals, if the SEC expanded. It was made VERY clear to Slive that the SEC had to focus on new markets. Believe what you want. But, it's not what it is.

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Believe it or not I really don't care if Clemson is in the


May 3, 2012, 2:18 PM

SEC. Unlike your brainwashed self, the SEC is not the be all and end all. You're response is exactly what I expected from a coot fan...shortsighted. If you don't think having the Big 12 move into your neighborhood is a bad thing for the SEC then you don't have your eyes open. Go ahead and get your TV sets in NC and VA while the Big 12 takes away what you already have...

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I'm just telling you what Slive was told.


May 3, 2012, 2:21 PM

It is what it is.

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Come on, man


May 3, 2012, 2:30 PM

Either it is what it is, or it's not what it is. You are making my head hurt!

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Re: Believe it or not I really don't care if Clemson is in the


May 3, 2012, 2:28 PM [ in reply to Believe it or not I really don't care if Clemson is in the ]

OU and texas is the teams you would have to really worry about. The thing is that if they did come into the neighbor hood, they would still have to fight other elite teams for recruits. I don't see them coming in and dominating the area. Outside of them two. I could see WVU and TCU trying to recruit but I doubt they could steal recruits away from Bama, UF, FSU, etc. I don't see Iowa St. Kansas, K-state, and baylor being a threat also.

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Yeah, those are the main two that I mentioned as being the


May 3, 2012, 2:39 PM

biggest problem. They may not dominate but giving them an in will make them much better than they are now.

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Re: Believe it or not I really don't care if Clemson is in the


May 3, 2012, 2:39 PM [ in reply to Believe it or not I really don't care if Clemson is in the ]

So just to complete the line of thinking, if the Big 12 came in and "took what you already have", wouldn't Clemson also lose from the recruiting standpoint? If they're taking talent out of the area, wouldn't that also be talent Clemson would be competing for?

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Yeah, maybe so. Thats not really my point though of the


May 3, 2012, 2:41 PM

whole thing though. If I were the SEC I wouldn't want any new neighbors...

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The problem you (coot) have


May 3, 2012, 4:21 PM [ in reply to The problem you (clemson) has ]

is that you don't even understand your own league. The TV executives apparently mandated that the SEC needed to add two more markets as teams 13 and 14 in order to open the door for a renegotiation, with teams 15 & 16 up to the league.

Neither CBS nor ESPN want to see the SEC water its image down with teams that don't fit the brand. They're national broadcasters and they want national appeal. TAMU and Mizzou both fit very well, though Missouri is less of a natural fit than TAMU.

As far as subscribers to a league network goes, they'll find them wherever college sports fans are - which is nationally.

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Re: You can comfort yourself with that


May 3, 2012, 2:14 PM [ in reply to You can comfort yourself with that ]

OU already recruits in the South. We normally get around 3 to 5 players from the south every year. If they had more entrance into this area...would they recruit it more? A good possiblity. Texas and OU recruits Texas, the midwest, and some of the soutwest. In the past few years, OU has expanded into California. Those are the only two teams that I would see recruiting in the southeast and it is highly unlikely they would dominate the area if they had more access.

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Re: You can comfort yourself with that


May 3, 2012, 2:22 PM

That's true. Money is the motivator.

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Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks


May 3, 2012, 2:30 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks ]

Not exactly ### for tat. Texas is the bigger get. And I 'd be wiiling to bet the SEC schools have more success recruiting in Texas than the BIG 12 schools do here. SEC will still get who they want in the Southeast. Big 12 will get leftovers.

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Expansion is not about recruiting. You rarely see that come


May 3, 2012, 2:56 PM

up in discussions about conference expansion. It's all about the moolah and how to increase that. People are letting their emotions regarding conference expansion cloud their thinking. Besides, in regards to the Big 12, only Texas and Oklahoma are the recruiting machines. And Texas has enough recruits to stock both them and Oklahoma. And the only SEC states that would probably feel attention from them would be Arkansas and Louisiana, neither one large states. So, it's an insignificant issue.

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Ah, wrong. You forgot A&M and Mizzou.***


May 3, 2012, 3:08 PM



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Screw Calford.


Uh, no, because the Longhorns have always been in their area


May 3, 2012, 3:31 PM

There's no change there.

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Re: Uh, no, because the Longhorns have always been in their area


May 3, 2012, 3:43 PM

Wrong again. But keep displaying your ignorance, it's funny.

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Screw Calford.


Re: Uh, no, because the Longhorns have always been in their area


May 3, 2012, 4:11 PM

LOL. OK, whatever. It doesn't matter. We are happy in OUR conference home. WE are not the ones whining and dreaming about changing conferences.

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Re: Uh, no, because the Longhorns have always been in their area


May 3, 2012, 4:54 PM

One thing for you coots to remember.....You'll NEVER win your own conference. Sucks don't it but you know it's true !!

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Re: Uh, no, because the Longhorns have always been in their area


May 3, 2012, 4:59 PM [ in reply to Re: Uh, no, because the Longhorns have always been in their area ]

Whining? Y'all know a lot more about whining than us. Whining about your schedule, whining about your 5th place finish, whining about NCAA sanctions, whine whine whine. Isn't that what being a school of Columbia fan is all about?

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Screw Calford.


To the Coot fan thet said


May 3, 2012, 3:26 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks ]

"Not exactly ### for tat. Texas is the bigger get. And I 'd be wiiling to bet the SEC schools have more success recruiting in Texas than the BIG 12 schools do here. SEC will still get who they want in the Southeast. Big 12 will get leftovers."

You are correct about getting the leftovers of the SEC schools. Part of the Big XII came out of the old SWC (SouthWest Confrence) that was made up of mostly Texas schools plus ARK and SMU that received the death penalty for what SEC schools do every year and get a handslap for. The old SWC schools learned from SMU, the SEC hasn't had to (YET!) It is all about money and the SEC schools have it aren't afraid to spend on whatever get them wins. Any thing from helping out a player or his family or paying $500K+ to lawyers to get out of trouble. As long as the SEC is in bed with the NCAA and ESecPN, the rest of us will fight over second place.

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Re: To the Coot fan thet said


May 3, 2012, 5:21 PM

ABSOLUTELY!! we simply MUST get the NCAA to look @ all schools evenly!! this outright favrotism to the SECXESPN must stop!

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We always say in recruiting, we only want players who WANT


May 3, 2012, 3:38 PM

to be at Clemson. It APPEARS that the Big 12 WANTS Clemson. It has been obvious that the SEC does NOT want clemson. To heck with the SEC. Who needs them? Life is too short. I want a conference that wants us. There are many reasons why I'd like to move to the Big 12. The Big 12 recruiting us is one of those reasons.

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Re: We always say in recruiting, we only want players who WANT


May 3, 2012, 3:57 PM

I haven't seen nothing yet that says the Big 12 "wants" Clemson or FSU.

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Bingo !!!!! *****


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Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks


May 3, 2012, 5:15 PM

very good post.... sure agree!

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Re: Clemson FSU to big 12...I wonder what the SEC thinks


May 3, 2012, 5:26 PM

where is all this ridiculous info coming from. clemson is going nowhere except right where they are. it is the silliest thing i have seen since i dont even know when. you guys got way to much time on your hands.

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