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Clemson/FSU '14 on the U. More #4, please?
Jul 18, 2015, 9:48 AM
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Just hit Hopper on a beautifully thrown ball 25 yards down field right through the window of the zone D.
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Re: Clemson/FSU '14 on the U. More #4, please?
Jul 18, 2015, 9:49 AM
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Led to our first 3.
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revisionist history gets us nowhere....
Jul 18, 2015, 10:08 AM
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we didn't lose to FSU because of too little #4;
that's just pandering to the weak of mind amongst the "so-called faithful". B-effin-S.
Clamoring for more QB (DW) is such a sound-bite answer to the entirely complex undertaking called collegiate football, and it entirely devalues not only the efforts of a great coaching staff but also the other players.
I love DW. He may, in fact, give us the next Natty. Great.
But it's at least a 45-man game, and it was the failure of the total 45, including #4, that lost that FSU game.
Likewise it'll be the success of the total 45 that whips the Noles arses when they come to DV in '15. I'm betting on it.
BTW - you want to see a perfect over the shoulder throw to Hopper, then revisit the Oklahoma Bowl Game and watch Stout hit G-Hop for a TD while 2 Sooner-Boomers coming rambling full steam up the gut. DW couldn't have thrown a better pass. And he won't.
Which is obviously not to say that Stoudt was better than DW - rather to say that
the QB controversy of '14 was made entirely worse by over-wrought fans and media pandering to their fears of failure and ultimately over-glorifying of DW.
We'll be much better off in '15 if people hold they collective sheatt together while a young team grows up, and
manages somehow to overcome their desire to make DW into Jesus Redux.
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Re: revisionist history gets us nowhere....
Jul 18, 2015, 10:37 AM
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DW has a calming demeanor, offensive ran smoother, kickers felt lesser pressure, etc.. with DW at the helm.
Stoudt's presence resulted in a doubtful, out of sync, frightened offense hitting the field.
It's moreso about the intangibles, fella.
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if you could read.....
Jul 18, 2015, 10:48 AM
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then you'd know that you didn't respond to my point -
i.e. T-netters glorifying DW to the point that they expect him to win games all by himself.
But since you clearly can't understand what it means to say,
"which is obviously not to say that Stout was better than DW",
then you instead started an argument with yourself.
Do you enjoy being in la-la-land?
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We lost to FSU because of too little Watson
Jul 18, 2015, 11:35 AM
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And devastating mistakes at inopportune times. The absence of one player, one integral cog, off our starters can change the dynamics of our offense. Especially when that one player is as talented as Watson.
"DW couldn't have thrown a better pass. And he won't."
That's not true. His first TD throw against UGA was an NFL caliber throw. Watson has shown he can CONSISTENTLY make better passes/reads than Stoudt. Do you remember the pass by Stoudt to our TE in the endzone at FSU? Bad throw....ground ball. That is not a throw we saw very often from Watson. THAT alone, that one pass, could have drastically changed the game.
Stoudt had a month to prepare for OU, a month to recover from his shoulder issue, and knew going into the contest that he was going to be THE go-to QB. He also had the luxury of a dedicated QB coach to assist him in preparation. I don't believe it is entirely fair to compare the outing of a post season game to one of our regular season games.
Watson, alone, can not beat 11 other players...obviously. But when he was on the field, it was like playing with 12+ men. A guy that can consistently make the tough throws, has the legs to evade the pressure, and doesn't make bad decisions often...yes, he could have made a fairly big difference if he were full time in the FSU game. At least enough to still triumph over the criminoles despite our other errors. Bottom line, that is a game that we should not have lost. I know it, you know it, Dabo knows it (said it himself), and all of Clemson nation knows it.
I'm by no stretch of the imagination trying to place blame solely on Stoudt. The mistakes we made were very costly with botched snaps, fumbles, and missed FGs. I personally believe that Watson is the type to NOT get flustered when things go awry and has the ability to LEAD a team to a victory. Two intangible qualities that Stoudt may not have been the best at. I think Watson, full time, would have been enough to overcome those mistakes....but I guess we'll truly never know. I understand the whole coach speak, team mentality, that you are getting at. But you don't handicap the trigger man, arguably the most important position on the field, with a lesser player.
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Re: We lost to FSU because of too little Watson
Jul 18, 2015, 12:09 PM
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> And devastating mistakes at inopportune times. The > absence of one player, one integral cog, off our > starters can change the dynamics of our offense. > Especially when that one player is as talented as > s Watson. > > "DW couldn't have thrown a better pass. And he > won't." > > That's not true. His first TD throw against UGA was > an NFL caliber throw. Watson has shown he can > CONSISTENTLY make better passes/reads than Stoudt. > Do you remember the pass by Stoudt to our TE in the > e endzone at FSU? Bad throw....ground ball. That is > not a throw we saw very often from Watson. THAT > alone, that one pass, could have drastically changed > the game. > > Stoudt had a month to prepare for OU, a month to > recover from his shoulder issue, and knew going into > the contest that he was going to be THE go-to QB. He > also had the luxury of a dedicated QB coach to assist > him in preparation. I don't believe it is entirely > fair to compare the outing of a post season game to > one of our regular season games. > > > Watson, alone, can not beat 11 other > players...obviously. But when he was on the field, > it was like playing with 12+ men. A guy that can > consistently make the tough throws, has the legs to > evade the pressure, and doesn't make bad decisions > often...yes, he could have made a fairly big > difference if he were full time in the FSU game. At > least enough to still triumph over the criminoles > despite our other errors. Bottom line, that is a > game that we should not have lost. I know it, you > know it, Dabo knows it (said it himself), and all of > Clemson nation knows it. > > I'm by no stretch of the imagination trying to place > blame solely on Stoudt. The mistakes we made were > very costly with botched snaps, fumbles, and missed > FGs. I personally believe that Watson is the type to > NOT get flustered when things go awry and has the > ability to LEAD a team to a victory. Two intangible > qualities that Stoudt may not have been the best at. > I think Watson, full time, would have been enough to > o overcome those mistakes....but I guess we'll truly > never know. I understand the whole coach speak, team > mentality, that you are getting at. But you don't > handicap the trigger man, arguably the most important > position on the field, with a lesser player.
Also, with Watson out there, we're less likely to have to settle for the FGs that were missed (3 yrd throw from DW would hit Leggett directly between the number the 1 and 8 on his jersey, if not rifling that pigskin right through his facemask for a TD Little Giants style.
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Re: Clemson/FSU '14 on the U. More #4, please?
Jul 18, 2015, 11:10 AM
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That loss goes to the kicker. Spence it's your time now . Go Tigers!
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Missing the kick was no worse than missing a wide open TE.
Jul 18, 2015, 11:17 AM
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No worse than a snap form the one yard line to the 30 yard line. No worse than a fumble on the 20 yard line.
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Re: Missing the kick was no worse than missing a wide open TE.
Jul 18, 2015, 11:19 AM
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Let's see we were tied after 4 quarters and how many field goals were missed?
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Did the stupid play calling come into
Jul 18, 2015, 6:12 PM
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play yet?
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WAIT TILL THIS YEAR! Watson please stay healthy!***
Jul 18, 2015, 7:03 PM
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