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Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 1:18 PM
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I am a huge Clemson fan. Something has been bothering me for a long time. I don't know if Clemson's success has been skyrocketing because of Dabo. Honestly, it's all because of Deshawn Watson. I mean he is a gifted football player. When he leaves for pro I honestly think Clemson will have at least one loss per season. Anyone agree? I love him as a player...he will have great future in pro.
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God forbid we lose a game every year....
Apr 20, 2016, 1:19 PM
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oh the humanity
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Nobody here feels entitled...
Apr 22, 2016, 1:57 PM
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Count how many teams in college football lose 1 or more games in the season and you'll be counting for a while. Count how many lose 1 or less and you're not counting long, maybe a dozen teams at most. If you just look at D1 power conference teams, it's much less.
From 2000 through 2016, no team averaged 1 loss per year. tOSU came closest and they averaged over 2 losses a year. Here are the top Power 5 teams average losses over that period.
Boise St.1.9
tOSU - 2.2
Oklahoma - 2.4
TCU & LSU - 28
Oregon - 2.9
USC - 3.1
Texas - 3.2
Georgia - 3.2
FSU & Alabama - 3.4
BTW, Clemson lost an average of 3.9 games over that period behind Utah, VPI, Louisville, Florida, and Wisconsin.
Over the last 6 years, it gets better. Alabama lost an average of 1.2 games a year; FSU 1.7, tOSU and Oregon 1.8, and Clemson lost an average of 2 games a year.
So, if Clemson continues to lose an average of 2 games a year, winning an average between 11 and 13 will we be saying that Dabo wasn't really that good. It was all Watson and we should go find ourselves a coach who can win? If that's the OP's point, then I nominate this for most idiotic post of the decade.
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Re: Nobody here feels entitled...
Apr 22, 2016, 2:41 PM
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TU post!!
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Haquan, let's focus on 2016, when Clemson DOES have Watson
Apr 22, 2016, 2:58 PM
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I'm almost positive Clemson defeats Scar in 2016. Why don't we worry about this year.
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Re: Haquan, let's focus on 2016, when Clemson DOES have Watson
Apr 22, 2016, 3:02 PM
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I am not worried about this year. I think Clemson will reach the college football playoff this year....Why? Because of DW4!
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Re: Nobody here feels entitled...
Apr 22, 2016, 2:57 PM
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Okay. All I can say is after DW4 leaves a new quarterback would have to play harder to match DW4's performance in order to reach the college football playoff.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 1:20 PM
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well since we are bringing in a guy that is rated highr than 4 was, maybe not. and besides, who the he!! doesnt lose at least 1 game per year.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 1:23 PM
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Look at Florida State....When James Winston left the team fell apart....just watch and see what happens....to be hoenst, i am very very worried...lets see...
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We hardly have any good players and coaching stinks.
Apr 20, 2016, 1:27 PM
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Deshaun Watson is the only reason we played for the national title.
You're making jokes right?
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Re: We hardly have any good players and coaching stinks.
Apr 20, 2016, 1:29 PM
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Honestly, I think Watson was the reason.....hey, i am not trying to hurt our Clemson fans....just time to think about our future....Look at Florida State as an example....
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Superstars come and go
Apr 20, 2016, 1:45 PM
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as long as our recruiting continues at the level it has been we.........AND FSU will be just fine (btw saying FSU "fell apart" is a little much, they took a step back b/c macguire/golson werent very good.......they now have 2 "elite" QBs competing this year......time will tell)
if our recruiting starts slipping then it will be a different story, but until then enjoy the ride.
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Re: We hardly have any good players and coaching stinks.
Apr 22, 2016, 1:12 PM
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IMO he's the main reason.
Our defense was (somehow) better in 2014, but we wound up with 3 losses due to bad QB play. I'm relatively convinced that if Watson stays healthy for that whole season (and starts the UGA game), we would have played for--and probably won--the NC that year.
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Re: We hardly have any good players and coaching stinks.
Apr 22, 2016, 2:59 PM
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I agree with you. Our defense sometimes plays awful. So that means a new quarterback would have to play harder to match DW4's performance.
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Re: We hardly have any good players and coaching stinks.
Apr 22, 2016, 3:01 PM
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This is 2016, Watsons Finale, and it ain't gonna be pretty for Scar, IN Death Valley!!!
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Re: We hardly have any good players and coaching stinks.
Apr 22, 2016, 4:15 PM
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Yes, but in my opinion we don't necessarily need to have an equal to DW4 in order to get there. We simply need a better option than Cole Stoudt. Fortunately, our recruiting at quarterback has been stellar over the past couple of years, so odds are we'll be in a good position to succeed.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 2:59 PM
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Clemson will not fall apart while DW4 is there. I was talking about after DW4's departure. Lets see.....
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I can hear 'em in Cootlumbia now...
Apr 20, 2016, 1:44 PM
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... " what'd I tell ya' Bert?! I tol' ya, din't I?! See, them taters only won 14 games agin, this year. I tol' ya' they ain't going undefeated two years in a row! Dem' effin' taters.... they ain't chit, knowuttamean, Bert?! Ol' boom gonna git'er done, tho', you jes' wait an see! He jes' needs another year or two for the boom bus and his recruiting to pay off... yeah, buddy!"
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Yep.... 4-8 is movin' up.***
Apr 20, 2016, 1:50 PM
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 2:03 PM
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3 types teams
1. Teams that run a special system and succeed (Oregon, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech)
2. Teams who get a special player and succeed (Florida, Auburn, FSU)
3. Teams that build a program and sustain success (Alabama, Ohio State)
Clemson we have made a progression over Dabo's head coaching career.
1. Clemson hired Chad Morris and quickly showed success. Leading to ...
2. Chad & Dabo landing DW4 and playing in the national championship game. Followed By?
3. Clemson's sustained success on the field lead to gains in recruiting and retention of coaches pushing them close to achieving sustained success as a program.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 1:15 PM
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I think it's hard not to put FSU & Florida in that third group too. Obviously UF doesn't fit the bill anymore, but during the Urban years they were incredible and it wasn't just due to Tebow.
FSU has been a wrecking ball for years now, and they show no signs of slowing down. They deserve to be in that third category as well.
Auburn is the absolute perfect example for that second category.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 3:01 PM
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Agree with you. If Clemson wants to do well after DW4 leaves will Dabo act like Meyer? I dont know.....
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 2:25 PM
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It's not ALL because of DW, though he has played a large role in the growth of the program. CDS has done a tremendous job putting the right people in place and developing the entire product on and off the field. That said, I think the upward swing started with the efforts of CDS combined with #10 to #2.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 2:26 PM
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Remember, the team with the best QB actually lost the National Championship last year. We lost with a vastly-superior QB.
DeShawn is a phenomenal, and no doubt we'll miss him when he leaves. Just like we missed Vic, Sammy, Spiller, etc... Dabo is has been awesome for Clemson. The attention we're getting is a direct result of his accomplishments, and the players he recruits.
So, as long as Dabo and Clemson remain in lock-step I'm not even a little worried about our success after DeShawn leaves. Go Tigers!
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 2:46 PM
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I am glad you are optimistic. I will sorely miss Deshawn Watson. He is a very unusually gifted football player...no one will ever match him as a quarterback at Clemson. Ever!
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 3:08 PM
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I'm not sure anyone has to come even close to what DW4 is. This years offense will be unreal and the Defense will have time get better and 2017 the defense will take over and carry the offense until the offense will come along. We are very young on Defense but also very skilled. the recruiting is unreal and since when did Bama have a QB. Our QB's in the future will be better than most QB's in the country and with our receivers we'll be fine just make take a few games to get going. Go Tigers
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 3:15 PM
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Let's hope Clemson will do well for many years....now the question is will Clemson be in the 4 college football playoff without DW4? Honestly Clemson will do well for years but in the college football playoff without DW4? I dont know....
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Okay. I've had enough of you.
Apr 20, 2016, 3:38 PM
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As a tnet poster, you are dead to me.
hasta la vista MF!
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Re: Okay. I've had enough of you.
Apr 21, 2016, 9:27 AM
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ok. I will leave you alone this time. Don't forget about Auburn and Cam Newton. Hope Clemson will do well without DW4.
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haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 12:23 PM
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1 - Do you think Muschump will win more than 3 games this year?
2 - When do you think the cockz will sniff a playoff, if ever?
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 12:29 PM
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haha...you are funny. i dont care about the gamecocks...i am a tigers fan. i pray that clemson stay in the top 5 for years and years even without DW4. honestly, muschamp sucks!
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If you aren't a ####, then you have the football IQ of one.
Apr 21, 2016, 5:21 PM
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Dabo and his staff are a far better staff than the crooked coaches and roster Cheezit put together at Auburn. There's a reason he was fired and it wasn't because he lost a good QB.
One may try to argue FSU should have more national championships in Jimbo's 6 seasons, but having 1 and being 3rd in America in wins during his tenure isn't poor either. Obviously you have no clue how hard it is to win national titles. Regardless, would you rather Dabo and company or Jimbo and company?
You do get credit though for admitting Muschump sucks. Man what a raging dumpster fire down down there in Columbia. That has to be embarrassing.
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 6:43 PM
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> Tiger fan......which tigers? Obviously not Clemson.
Based on her posts, she is a barner war chicken.
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 7:42 PM
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i respect your opinion. i grew up in clemson.....my home.....love clemson to death. i have been worried about clemson after DW4 leaves...i am serious.....
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 7:58 PM
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And one more thing. i am amazed with how you all love Clemson without thinking about how the team handles the situation after DW4 leaves. I am fully prepared for the consequences without him. See you all next year when DW4 is not in Clemson anymore.
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 8:00 PM
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Dabo could start Bryant at qb and still run the table straight to the playoff with this schedule. So what is the point of your effin' post?
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 8:03 PM
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i highly doubt it. DW4 is like Winston and Newton.
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 8:08 PM
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Bye Felicia...
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 21, 2016, 8:31 PM
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What about Texas and Vince Young? See you next year (2017).
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 22, 2016, 1:50 PM
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VY was an incredible QB, but he wasn't the whole team. In the two years before VY, Texas went 22-4 (85% win pct) and won the Cotton Bowl. During his tenure, they went 34-4 (89% win pct), and won two Rose Bowls, including a national title game. In the four years after VY, Texas went 45-8 (85% win pct), won the Fiesta Bowl and lost a national title game.
There's no doubt Vince Young was an incredible player, but Texas wasn't falling apart without him.
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Re: haqueen, two extremely serious questions for you:
Apr 22, 2016, 3:03 PM
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Okay. I got your point. Please remember my whole point was about whether or not Clemson would reach the college football playoff after DW4's departure.
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How are we to know the answer, to that?***
Apr 22, 2016, 3:08 PM
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ok cocklover
Apr 22, 2016, 3:09 PM
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yes tigers will always be mentioned in cfb idiot cocklover - clemson has 3 qb's coming that can lead tigers. this program has more in common with bama and ohio st. yours has more in common with citadel or kentucky. now head on back to fgf
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You poor thing.
Apr 22, 2016, 2:32 PM
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Stuck with Muschump and the only hope you have left is that Clemson will drop off like Auburn did with cheatin' Cheezik. With that as your only hope, it's got to be a horrible feeling going into the years to come.
By the way, FSU is 3rd in the country in wins during Jimbo's 6 seasons including a national title. Are you going to explain how they've fallen off? ..Because they don't have multiple national titles in Jimbo's 6 seasons? Plus you didn't answer the question - would you rather have Dabo or Jimbo?
You also didn't answer - do you anticipate winning more than 3 games this year? Acting like a worried Clemson fan is doing nothing for the reality you're facing.
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Re: You poor thing.
Apr 22, 2016, 3:06 PM
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Honestly Dabo is a great coach but will he be like Urban Meyer after DW4 leaves. I don't know. Lets see. Hey, come on. I was trying to predict where Clemson would be after DW4's departure. If Clemson continues to reach the college football playoff after DW4 leaves then I would have a lot of respect for Dabo. Absolutely. Right now I think Clemson's success has gone through the roof bec of DW4, not because of Dabo. This is my honest assessment of the football program.
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shows your stupidity***
Apr 22, 2016, 3:09 PM
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Re: shows your stupidity***
Apr 22, 2016, 3:10 PM
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okay....whatever...
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we all recognize
Apr 22, 2016, 3:14 PM
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that usuck fans have little to no knowledge of football but we can educate you. when you recruit superior talent at all positions and have the staff tigers have then you will always be in conversation. its simple math for cocklovers that are simpletons
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Re: we all recognize
Apr 22, 2016, 3:19 PM
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You don't understand my argument. My main question s that will Clemson reach the college football playoff without DW4? It does not matter if Clemson recruits so many good players into the football program. If Dabo continues to go to the college football playoff with Clemson and without DW4 I would have 100 percent respect for Dabo. Period.
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again
Apr 22, 2016, 3:21 PM
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you're a ####### idiot cocklover. you do understand that, right? worry about vandy. tigers have bigger fish to fry. usuck is a pimple on a dogs a$$
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Re: again
Apr 22, 2016, 3:28 PM
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You are too funny. Where did you learn to talk like this? Your parents taught you?
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Who the heck are you to be thinking Dabo owes you more
Apr 22, 2016, 4:43 PM
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to earn your respect? He's already accomplished more at Clemson than all the achievements of all your coaches added together, ever.
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Re: Who the heck are you to be thinking Dabo owes you more
Apr 22, 2016, 4:46 PM
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Yes, he has already accomplished, but to reach the college football playoff without DW4?
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So now that's 5 questions, right?
Apr 22, 2016, 4:48 PM
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5 that you haven't answered.
The one I'm most interested in right now is - do you think Muschamp will be able to find 3 wins next season?
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Re: So now that's 5 questions, right?
Apr 22, 2016, 5:22 PM
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maybe 4 wins! why are you so obsessed with Muschamp?
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What are the 4 wins you're seeing?
Apr 22, 2016, 5:45 PM
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That's part of that question. Several others to go.
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Re: What are the 4 wins you're seeing?
Apr 22, 2016, 5:55 PM
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Gosh....I don't have time to answer the questions for the Gamecocks.
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Mascot [24]
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I think all of this has already been covered right?
Apr 22, 2016, 3:17 PM
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The summary is - you hope Clemson falls off after Watson because you know your program is going to suck really bad (even worse than usual) for years to come with Boom the Clown leading the way.
Instead of silly rhetoric, let's discuss some real football. Answer some questions please:
- Who are the top 5 college football coaches in America right now?
- Would you rather have Dabo Swinney, Jimbo Fisher, Gene Cheezik, or Mack Brown?
- Do you think South Carolina will win more than 3 games this year? If yes, how many and who will you beat?
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Mascot [24]
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Re: I think all of this has already been covered right?
Apr 22, 2016, 3:26 PM
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Who are the top 5 college football coaches in America right now?
1) Nick Saban (Alabama)
2) Urban Meyer (OSU)
3) Jim Harbaugh (Michigan) He is my favorite coach even though Clemson is my favorite team.
I mentioned the only top three above. In order for Dabo to reach the best coach group he must prove that he can take Clemson to the college football playoff without DW4.
- Would you rather have Dabo Swinney, Jimbo Fisher, Gene Cheezik, or Mack Brown?
I like Dabo but he needs to prove himself first without DW4. To answer your question I would rather have Jim Harbaugh. If Dabo reaches the college football playoff without DW4 then I would rather have him or Jim Harbaugh.
- Do you think South Carolina will win more than 3 games this year? If yes, how many and who will you beat?
I don't care about South Carolina. Muschamp would get fired again.
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Mascot [24]
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Surely you already realize
Apr 22, 2016, 4:46 PM
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You didn't answer any of the questions.
Here's two more:
Why come to a rival's website and make a fool of yourself?
Are you in any way related to "Clemson Dan", up to and including you are him?
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Mascot [24]
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Re: Surely you already realize
Apr 22, 2016, 5:23 PM
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Hell no! I was trying to predict whether or not Clemson would ever reach the college football playoff without DW4.
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Mascot [24]
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So then
Apr 22, 2016, 5:47 PM
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You're predicting (your word) Clemson will make the CFP this year but never again under Dabo?
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Re: So then
Apr 22, 2016, 5:59 PM
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I am afraid so.
Texas and Young.
Oregon and Mariota
Florida State and Winston
Auburn and Winston
Will Clemson and Watson be similar to above? I hope not. Dabo must prove himself that he can take Clemson to the college football playoff without DW4. TCan he do it? This is the most interesting question.
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Mascot [24]
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Re: So then
Apr 22, 2016, 6:00 PM
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and Texas A&M and Manziel.
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Re: You poor thing.
Apr 22, 2016, 4:05 PM
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We consistently have gotten better since 2009 and you think it is all because of DW? Yes he is a part of why we are so good right now but he is not why we are headed in the right direction. Why would you think we will fall off when we have gotten better every year? 11-2 is pretty dang good dude and we did that with Tajh. Beating your Urban Meyer.
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Re: You poor thing.
Apr 22, 2016, 4:11 PM
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Let me say that the main topic of this group is would Clemson ever reach the college football playoff again without DW4? Can Dabo do it? I don't know.
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that's because you're a cocklover***
Apr 22, 2016, 4:15 PM
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Re: You poor thing.
Apr 22, 2016, 4:51 PM
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Why do you even question that? We can for sure make it back. We have gotten better each year I believe we will only continue to get better why would we stop now because one player leaving? You probably thought we wouldn't be a top 25 team without CJ and probably not a top 10 without Sammy. Am I correct?
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Re: You poor thing.
Apr 22, 2016, 5:21 PM
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The question is can Clemson reach the college football playoff without DW4? Can Dabo do it? Yes or no!
Look at Texas A&M and Manziel.
Look at Oregan and Mariota
Look at Florida State and Winston
Look at Auburn and Newton
Look at Texas and Young
Then?
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"Oregan"?
Apr 22, 2016, 5:48 PM
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Yep, definitely a gamecock fan.
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Re: "Oregan"?
Apr 22, 2016, 5:54 PM
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hahah...sorry...O R E G O N.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 21, 2016, 6:44 PM
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The fact you cant even spell possible the greatest football player to wear orange name suggest you are either an idiot or cocklover.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 21, 2016, 7:42 PM
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ok. 
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 1:44 PM
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Who is Deshawn Watson? Never heard of him. I watched that Deshaun guy play for us tho he is pretty impressive.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 20, 2016, 6:08 PM
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I will take a guarantee thatwe will lose but a single game a season for the rest of human existence, given that college football survives along with it .
Deal ?
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Nope, it's Dabo.
Apr 20, 2016, 6:13 PM
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Folks gave credit to Chad Morris, then he left we got better. When DW leaves we'll be better, maybe not at the QB position but that's not the critical part of our offense. We're set up to continually to replentish our lines.
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Re: Nope, it's Dabo.
Apr 22, 2016, 1:38 PM
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The QB position isn't the critical part of our offense?! QB is far & away the most critical part of our offense and it's not close! This offense hinges on the dual-threat capabilities of its QB.
Let's think of the differences between this offense in 2014 & 2015. Watson has great downfield throwing capability, so the safeties have to play deep. He can also run the ball, which forces the front 7 to respect him, creating far more lanes for Gallman, and much easier blocking assignments for our line. Compare that to 2014, when our QB couldn't run and couldn't throw well deep...opponents loaded 8 in the box and brought up the safeties because there was no threat of a deep pass. They also didn't have to respect our QB running the football, so they could focus on the RB and overwhelm our offensive line with numbers. Without a good dual threat QB, this offense falls apart. That isn't to say it needs DW to be successful, but it needs a particular style of QB in order to be run properly.
The jury is also still out on our offensive coordinators IMO. There are many cases where a top-level coach leaves a position and the team does great for a year before taking a big step backwards. Early 2000s Miami and last year's Oregon team come to mind. I have faith that our OCs are going to do well, but let's get a larger sample before suggesting we're better off without Chad Morris.
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We have 22 juniors and seniors and are likely preseason #1
Apr 21, 2016, 12:48 PM
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With no worse than a top 10 recruiting class coming in 2017. Including 2 top 10 QBs in the country, in addition to Z Cooper.
We're in big trouble after Watson leaves.
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Re: We have 22 juniors and seniors and are likely preseason #1
Apr 21, 2016, 12:58 PM
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lets see....good luck to clemson.
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Tell 'em, coot!***
Apr 21, 2016, 7:59 PM
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Re: Haqapon
Apr 22, 2016, 12:22 PM
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This is one of the most lame attempts by a capon to impersonate a tiger that I have seen. Go peck dirt!!
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Re: Haqapon
Apr 22, 2016, 1:00 PM
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I was trying to warn every tiger fan about the Clemson football program in the future without DW4. If you have the ability to think then you should look at Texas-Young, Florida State-WInston and Aurburn-Newton. The next one could be Clemson-Watson. Let's pray that Clemson will continue to stay in the top 4 for a long time after Watson leaves but I don't really have high hopes. He is special. Trust me.
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Re: Haqapon
Apr 22, 2016, 1:16 PM
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you're a ###### idiot cocklover - delusional
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Re: Haqapon
Apr 22, 2016, 3:14 PM
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hahaha..
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When you can't spell our star player's name correctly .....
Apr 22, 2016, 1:23 PM
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When you can't spell our star player's name correctly after all the hype and recognition he's received at Clemson, it's hard to take your concerns very seriously.
Spelling his name Deshawn is something Clemson fans were doing when he first gave us his verbal several years ago.
It's something rival fans are still doing fairly frequently.
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Re: When you can't spell our star player's name correctly .....
Apr 22, 2016, 4:02 PM
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His name is Deshaun Watson. I know him very well. He is a gifted player...Very special like Cam Newton.
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Dis' poast reeks of poletry ??***
Apr 22, 2016, 1:10 PM
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 1:40 PM
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> I am a huge Clemson fan. Something has been
> bothering me for a long time. I don't know if
> Clemson's success has been skyrocketing because of
> Dabo. Honestly, it's all because of Deshawn Watson.
> I mean he is a gifted football player. When he
> e leaves for pro I honestly think Clemson will have
> at least one loss per season. Anyone agree? I love
> him as a player...he will have great future in pro.
Nobody questions the value of a truly elite QB...and yeah, they're worth 2-3 games a year. We were 10-3 in 2014 and a Top-15 team - as opposed to a National Title contender - without him.
Alabama is maybe the one team in the nation that has successfully de-emphasized the QB position. They won with a very mediocre, former FSU third-stringer (I kid you not) last year...of course, they also had Travis Henry and a future NFL O-line ahead of him and explosive skill guys all over the perimeter, and maybe the best Front 7 in college football. They still needed some special-teams trickery to overcome the issues Watson presented them or they would have lost that game.
Just how it goes. The only thing Clemson can do is run a system that is appealing to elite QB's, recruit sufficient skill talent that other potential elite QB's will very much want to be a part of that team, and go forth and recruit guys like that. You know, like Zerrick Cooper, Hunter Johnson, and Chase Brice.
Cooper looks, to me, like a slightly taller, slightly slower version of Deshaun Watson. Same unhurried, calm demeanor in the pocket, same effortless athleticism, same kind of golden arm.
Hunter Johnson is just a remarkable passer. You can see why he's a 5-star per most everybody. Guy strongly reminds me of Seth Russell out at Baylor. Considered a pro-style guy but he is also not shy about pulling it down and running with it and he's effective when he does.
ATL area high school coaches rave about Chase Brice. There are three elite FCS-level QB's coming out of the Atlanta area this next year and Brice is considered the best of them...and he's one of the most-grounded, classy, polite guys you'll ever meet. Another tall, athletic guy with a live arm.
So...that's not one guy, but three potentially elite prospects who could legitimately succeed Watson. And that's not even including the guys we currently have on campus.
By the way...if you're counting on FSU's QB woes to continue post-Winston (which lasted all of 1 year)...don't. They've got two more guys in the pipe, Deandre Francois and Malik Henry, who look super-elite themselves. FSU will be Back (alas), and they will probably be Back This Year if Francois is as good as he looked in their Spring Game. That late October matchup in Doak could be an absolute dogfight.
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Great insights. Agree 100% ... except it's Derrick Henry***
Apr 22, 2016, 1:52 PM
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IMHO, we beat FSU down there with DW4 this year, and we groom his replacement sufficiently to stay on a par with The Noles @ QB when they have to come to Clemson the next year. We have set the stage to be extra strong at QB for years to come.
Of course anything can happen with injuries and transfers etc, and we could somehow end up with a void such as FSU had when they put all their eggs in Winston's basket and then had to try to shore things up via transfer.
I like to believe we've planned for succession at QB better than FSU did, but a lot sort of rides on Zerrick Cooper and Kelly Bryant.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 3:09 PM
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I am glad you are optimistic but lets see how Clemson goes wihout DW4. If Clemson continues to reach the college football playoff without DW4 I would respect Dabo more.
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Re: Clemson Football Program In the Future
Apr 22, 2016, 3:15 PM
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I understand your point but the new quarterbacks would have to play harder to match DW4's performance in order to reach the college football playoff. Lets see....
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LOL
Apr 22, 2016, 3:33 PM
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It's funny envisioning you sitting around for 2 more years waiting for Clemson to implode. In your own words, "we'll see"
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Re: LOL
Apr 22, 2016, 3:38 PM
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I have a crystal ball. Hey, I need a break from this. This is a very interesting topic. See you next year. (2017). I will be really nervous.
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Nervous for what?
Apr 22, 2016, 3:43 PM
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What would make the season a failure? Not making the playoff? There are only FOUR teams left standing at the end, it's highly unlikely that we will be one of them every year.
I say we win at least 10 games in 2017. No reason to think otherwise. One thing is for sure, we won't be sniffing 3-9 anytime soon!
#### a d00dle d00, c00t! Big brother is back on top!
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Re: Nervous for what?
Apr 22, 2016, 3:53 PM
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I agree with you. It's impossible to reach the college football playoff every year but I am more interested in knowing if Clemson would ever reach the college football playoff with Dabo after DW4 leaves. Let's see....
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Re: Nervous for what?
Apr 22, 2016, 4:04 PM
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Hey everyone, have a nice weekend.
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are they exterminating at the trailer park
Apr 22, 2016, 4:17 PM
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this weekend? sucks to be usuck
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Let me ask one more time
Apr 22, 2016, 4:45 PM
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How many of you think Clemson would reach the college football playoff without DW4? Let's vote. Yes or no!
Me: No!
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That's such a stupid statement.....
Apr 22, 2016, 5:29 PM
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That's like saying "Would Texas have won in 05 without Vince Young"
or "would the Bulls have won 6 titles without MJ"
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Re: That's such a stupid statement.....
Apr 22, 2016, 5:54 PM
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Please vote. Yes or No! Just predict.
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