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Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 4:35 PM
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A random South Carolina high school student applying to Clemson has the following high school transcript;
GPA - 4.2 with numerous AP classes
Class rank - 95 out of 500
SAT - 1270
Your thoughts;
In
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Denied Admission
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As a side note, that same student....
Feb 16, 2016, 4:39 PM
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has already been accepted to Furman, Wofford, Winthrop, College of Charleston, Auburn, and South Carolina.
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Denied
Feb 16, 2016, 4:40 PM
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We might need the room to oversign several offensive tackles this year.
Priorities, man.
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And don't forget all the
Feb 16, 2016, 6:07 PM
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bleeding heart schollies that are guaranteed to be completely wasted already.
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Smart student ... the issue is grade inflation
Feb 16, 2016, 6:22 PM
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At most public schools, most take AP and most make an A. Same with many Catholic schools. There is greater disparity in SAT/ACT scores because the teacher cannot artificially inflate the SAT/ACT score because the student tries hard, is cute, asks a lot of questions, smiles a lot or brings them an apple.
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Re: Smart student ... the issue is grade inflation
Feb 16, 2016, 8:07 PM
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I thought that was odd too. I don't understand how a student can have a 4.2 gpa but nearly miss the top 25 percentile of graduating class and a 1270 SAT. Back when I was in HS kids that were getting those kind of grades were getting 1500+ on SAT and in the top 5% of class. Sounds like the school is boosting grades.
1270 is still a really good score land this sounds like a very good student and I would think this gets an admission to Clemson.
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Re: Smart student ... the issue is grade inflation
Feb 16, 2016, 8:09 PM
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*edit* top 20 percentile.
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Re: Smart student ... the issue is grade inflation
Feb 16, 2016, 8:20 PM
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More and more honors and AP classes. When I was in high school an A in honors was a 5.0, and A in AP classes were 6.0 the first semester, and 5.0 the second semester (not sure why of that). The valedictorians were always approaching or even slightly above 5.0 weighted GPA.
So I'm sure it is partly grade inflation, but also there are more honors and AP classes available.
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 4:42 PM
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As a former Clemson tour guide and recent graduate, I'd say that student should be admitted to Clemson. However, some other factors come into play, like does the student have any family that went to Clemson previously or any other ties to the school?
That SAT score is above average I believe, or at least very close to average, and the AP classes help as well. Top 20% of their class, with a good GPA.
Especially considering they're an in state applicant, they should be fine. Clemson is much more competitive for out of state students, so as an in state student I would think they would be admitted. However, it's never a guarantee and the school is becoming increasingly more and more competitive.
I would say, "In."
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The kid has a long list of Clemson family ties.
Feb 16, 2016, 4:45 PM
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Grandparents, parents, and siblings are all Clemson alums. His father is a long standing IPTAY donor who pays about $10,000 annually.
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 4:48 PM
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What major did you apply for?
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 9:53 PM
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Legacy is not a factor...major selection may be.... otherwise looks like a take...worst case..Bridge
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 17, 2016, 12:43 AM
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Thanks Clemson
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 4:44 PM
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Any history...family graduates?
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grand parents, parents and siblings***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:47 PM
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Re: grand parents, parents and siblings***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:50 PM
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Interesting...criminal record? JK
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#ALLIN***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:48 PM
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 4:49 PM
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I'd say IN, but the major of study matters.
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Applied under Communications***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:51 PM
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shoulda done PRTM....then switch.***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:56 PM
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Orange Blooded [3921]
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PRTM and communications are now under same college
Feb 16, 2016, 8:06 PM
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PRTM is actually tougher to get in to now because of interest and being ranked higher.
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who doesn't want to party right through May?***
Feb 17, 2016, 10:28 AM
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Re: Applied under Communications***
Feb 16, 2016, 5:03 PM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you are basically competing against everyone else that applied for that major. So alot depends number of slots available for that major and where you rank among those applying. My son got in last year with almost exact same gpa and score but he was like 32nd out of class of 630
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Re: Applied under Communications***
Feb 16, 2016, 8:23 PM
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Comm is hard to get into. Limited space in the classes. My son had to spend freshman and sophomore year in other majors, Political Science and Psychology, before finally getting into Comm this year. He also did bridge.
Make sure he takes the time to meet the Comm professors and advisors at CU even while at Bridge to coordinate the classes he should take and he should consider the Comm study abroad programs after finishing his Bridhe year.
It's really too bad there is no place to fill in your IPTAY number on the CU application.
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Comm is competitive because it's a small major
Feb 16, 2016, 5:27 PM
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When I applied I was told to apply in engineering or science and that half of the slots in the business school were saved for engineering majors who couldn't handle their freshman year coursework.
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pre business
Feb 16, 2016, 5:40 PM
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otherwise known as engineering.
Engineers are really smart, just ask them.
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But . . .
Feb 16, 2016, 6:09 PM
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they have a really hard life.
Almost as hard as a drummer's life.
Again - just ask them. Either one of them.
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Back in the day, I was told to apply in a major
Feb 16, 2016, 6:31 PM
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Like agriculture and then change majors as you had a better shot at being accepted. I have no idea if that was true or not because I did not try it
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Re: Applied under Communications***
Feb 17, 2016, 2:01 PM
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There's your problem, communications is the second hardest maybe even the hardest major to get into.
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 4:51 PM
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extra curricular activity?
How does the high school rank within the state?
My kid got accepted to UGA with similar stats but had friends denied with stats that were close, but they didn't participate in anything outside the classroom.
UGA's incoming freshman class this year had an average GPA of 3.93.
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Played football and baseball***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:53 PM
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Also Beta Club, NHS, and FCA***
Feb 16, 2016, 4:53 PM
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I played both of those and was involved with NHS, Beta,
Feb 16, 2016, 5:12 PM
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among other smaller clubs. Made 1170 on SAT and got a 28 on ACT. GPA was a 4.57 (#19 in my class). I got in.
I think this student should get in. GPA certainly can be inflated based on the school and is not the best indicator on future success.
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Re: Also Beta Club, NHS, and FCA***
Feb 16, 2016, 5:59 PM
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yeah...I'd have thought he'd have been a lock as well.
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My company does SAT prep
Feb 16, 2016, 4:53 PM
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And I had a kid who is a great student (4.3 GPA) get an 1190 CR+Math SAT score just get denied. He's filing an appeal and I'm writing him a letter of recommendation to try to get him in. He's one of the best kids I've ever worked with, and he's just dying to be a Tiger. He got into Purdue, but would much rather come here. I'm wondering if any of our fellow Tnetters know anyone on the appeals board or in admissions who could help these kids. It's such a shame.
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GPA's the only notable part, and it's hard to judge
Feb 16, 2016, 4:55 PM
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these days because it's so arbitrary across school districts. The fact that a 4.2 only gets you in the top 20% of your class shows that 5.0 is now the target for excellence it would seem.
Seems like bridge might be right.
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Would said student show up to Football games early,
Feb 16, 2016, 4:58 PM
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and NOT leave after halftime? Would they show up and support the bball team? If so, I say let them in.
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I thought his application was a slam dunk....
Feb 16, 2016, 5:11 PM
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but he got accepted into the Bridge program. He's appealing but the family is none too happy.
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are they
Feb 16, 2016, 5:18 PM
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"true fans"?
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Re: I thought his application was a slam dunk....
Feb 17, 2016, 8:16 AM
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If I were the parents I would look at this as an opportunity for the child and as a positive. Ten years ago, this kid would probably be in but now Clemson is much harder to get into. This means that a Clemson degree will, all things being equal, be more valuable. Knowing that he or she had to go through the Bridge Program should be a motivating factor to do well because it tells the kid that the competition in those classes is tough. Also, generally in life, this little setback is minor and I believe that setbacks help harden the person if reacted to positively. Finally, I am sure Clemson did not mean to slight the family but it proves somewhat that they are doing an honest serious job in their admissions process which is what you want if you want the University to be excellent. If they chlld really wants to go there, he or she should go to Bridge with a chip on the shoulder nad crush it! Clemson is the best school in the state and hopefully being admitted with no strings to those lesser places will not convince this kid to give up on the dream.
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My younger brother appealed his application last year
Feb 17, 2016, 8:34 AM
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was originally accepted into only the bridge program but appealed and then was fully accepted. That alone might show enough initiative to get him in. Best of luck, go tigers!
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Re: I thought his application was a slam dunk....
Feb 17, 2016, 12:34 PM
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We have a couple friends whose children went bridge. My son is a freshman and has a couple HS classmates who went bridge. From all accounts, it's a fine program.
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Feb 16, 2016, 5:41 PM
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I had a 1280 SAT and 30 ACT and just inside the top 20 percent of my hs class as well, go to a HS in NC but a SC resident.
I am in
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^^^^ being helpful***
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 5:48 PM
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Man that surprises me. I hope Clemson doesn't ever forget the people who made it what it is, that seems like a competitive, well rounded student with ties. I'm glad I went to Clemson when I did, as an out of state student it would be tough, don't think my dad or brother would get in today.
Fwiw, I don't think IPTAY giving does (or should) really matter in admissions. If family were big CU fund donors, then that might pull some sway. On the other hand, big IPTAY donor probably knows more names he can call favors to.
I'd tell student to apply in textiles and then change.
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Class rank probably got him
Feb 16, 2016, 5:56 PM
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with 1270 on SAT, if he's in the top 10% of his graduating class he's probably in. Somewhere between 10% to 20% probably gets him a Bridge acceptance. Not in the top 20% or 25% probably denied. Being a legacy applicant would probably factor into the equation and having extra curricular activities would probably factor in as well. Being able to run a 4.40 40 probably helps a lot too.
My son graduated high school last year and there were honor graduates in his class who got accepted into Bridge and a couple who were required of attend summer school at Clemson before enrolling in the fall. It's tough getting in these days.
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Legacy means nothing except for big donors***
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Some GREAT questions - but MOST important . . .
Feb 16, 2016, 6:12 PM
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does the aforementioned candidate
Woooo Hooooo ?
No ? IN - and listed as a Preseason Class President
Yes ? BURN THEM - THEY ARE A WITCH ! ! ! !
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Depends on major***
Feb 16, 2016, 7:01 PM
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Re: Depends on major***
Feb 16, 2016, 7:16 PM
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Agree. Change majors. I bet the kid would get in. I applied to a grad school once that only took three students that semester. I sure wish they had told me they were only taking 3 when I went to visit....I am not have wasted the application fee.
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quality of High School?
Feb 16, 2016, 7:07 PM
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Class rank plus quality of hush school count most - more than SAT and GPA
Top 20% probably not good enough unless too small high school
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My thought is that this is some real bull sh*t, that
Feb 16, 2016, 7:08 PM
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something is horribly wrong, and it's a very sad state of affairs.
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 7:23 PM
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My son is currently in the bridge program and will enter the engineering school in the fall. We have nothing but good things to say about the bridge program. Smaller classes,etc it is much cheaper. Can get the full life scholarship at Tri coumty. Dont wait too long to accept a spot in the bridge, it fills quickly.
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It might have been the sat score...
Feb 16, 2016, 7:37 PM
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1300 sat
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70/500 ish
I also know a girl who got bridged with the same 1270. I think I barely got in to be honest.
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Many public universities rather have out of state
Feb 16, 2016, 7:46 PM
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Students because they pay more to go to school. Not saying that happened because I don't work in admissions and I don't know the numbers for communications major. Like someone said before change major or do the bridge program. I've heard good things about that.
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Clemson keeps out of state to around 35%
Feb 17, 2016, 7:25 AM
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that is their goal.
It is very competitive and it is a numbers game only. Majors do matter.
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 7:54 PM
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@laid-backtiger
Can you imagine applying today? LBT and T3 offspring are doomed. 
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Cue the "it's too hard to get into Clemson these days" posts.
Feb 16, 2016, 8:24 PM
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Due to President Barker/admitting too many yankees/Clemson abandoning its mission.
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Before anyone asks, Clemson has maintained its in-state to out-of-state ratio
Feb 16, 2016, 8:31 PM
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67% to 33% for the last few decades.
Clemson is increasingly competitive. Some here seem unaware of that. Others seem to wish that wasn't the case, but I'm not sure why.
A prestigious Clemson helps everyone. Like it or not, it isn't Clemson's job to accept average South Carolina applicants just because their parents went to Clemson and they want to also. There are plenty of lower ranked public schools in SC for that.
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Re: Before anyone asks, Clemson has maintained its in-state to out-of-state ratio
Feb 16, 2016, 8:37 PM
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With all of high tech companies coming to state, there are more higher level education families moving to state. Admissions will continue to get harder. I prefer it to letting enrollment balloon.
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I agree. Clemson is a great size and I wouldn't want to make it a big school.***
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I'd say in, but that GPA is way inflated.
Feb 16, 2016, 10:05 PM
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1270 SAT and 95 out of 500 does not scream really smart. 1270 is ok, not great but not bad. And at an SC public high school, 95/500 is solid but not super impressive. I would think in, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he was denied.
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You comments are .....
Feb 16, 2016, 11:18 PM
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uhhhmmmm....
duuuuhhhhh.....
Dude.
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Can anyone help with a translation of this?
Feb 17, 2016, 7:55 AM
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TIA
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110%er [7723]
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Accept the bridge program bc of rolling admission
Feb 16, 2016, 10:49 PM
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I had several friends accepted to bridge. Some denied it and some accepted it. Most of the ones that accepted it eventually were accepted into Clemson (before they enrolled at TC). They use it as a kind of holding period to get kids to accept coming to Clemson (bridge) while higher ranked students make their decision. It's quite brilliant.
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Orange Blooded [3045]
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"The Bridge" is a good option!
Feb 16, 2016, 11:18 PM
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If the student does well there, they are in.
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All-In [40864]
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actually you are guareenteed with a 2.5 gpa
Feb 17, 2016, 6:59 AM
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if you can't get a 2.5 gpa in community college then you shouldn't be at Clemson anyway
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 16, 2016, 11:25 PM
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1251 is the average SAT score for the most recent class. The high school rank probably puts him in bridge program. I was told a few years ago that legacy makes no difference. Not sure if that is still accurate or not.
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Lot o points [163005]
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I have been told the same thing. Legacy helps get in bridge***
Feb 17, 2016, 7:27 AM
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CU Guru [1806]
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My brother had almost identical metrics and got bridge too
Feb 17, 2016, 12:42 AM
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Apparently applications shot up astronomically this year due to national championship. You should appeal. Don't give up. If you do the bridge, it makes you no less of a Clemson Tiger. Be proud.
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Clemson admissions getting much tougher
Feb 17, 2016, 7:07 AM
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It's just part of becoming a top school. Unfortunetly there will be plenty that could have gotten in the past but now cannot. I do have a problem with people who donate to the school and if their kid doesn't get in stops donating. This is just silly behavior. If my son doesn't get in I will support him wherever he goes but do not plan to stop giving.
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Legend [15903]
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95th in class stands out in a negative way..
Feb 17, 2016, 7:40 AM
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But I would have imagined him in with the family ties and a pretty solid SAT score (assuming they still use 1600 as tops)
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 17, 2016, 8:46 AM
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AP grading scale is up to 5.875 right? So with that said that's a low B GPA in HS.
Only top 20% Class Rank.
SAT very low based on newer scoring(out of 2400). I've read the national average is 1500. They did move back to 1600 for this year so if it's out of 1600 that's not bad.
Another factor is what major did this student apply for?
I know a "random" student that had to wait a semester(January enrollee) before enrolling for Architecture with a better "resume"
Top 5% of class of over 500 students.
Mid A GPA in Honors/AP courses.
1250 out of 1600 SAT (taken once after 9th grade year)
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 17, 2016, 9:12 AM
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When did s/he apply? Early birds get a better chance in crowded majors. Most kids I know were getting their letters before the holidays, so if s/he is just getting it now, that could have something to do with it. Just knock out the "everyone has to take 'em" humanities or whatever classes while waiting for slots to open up in the desired major.
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I have a question as I do not have kids
Feb 17, 2016, 9:11 AM
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how is it possible to have above a 4.0 GPA?
A 4.0 is perfect, or at least used to be.
Has this changed? If so, then what is a perfect score now?
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Orange Blooded [4896]
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Honors and AP classes award more points
Feb 17, 2016, 10:39 AM
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a 100 average in a grade level course is 4.0 but will be higher in an honors program.
Its a fair and good thing otherwise kids would be discouraged from taking harder courses. However, it is led to GPA inflation.
Clemson puts FAR more importance on class rank combined with the quality of the high school to remove the effects of GPA inflation within and between schools.
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Orange Blooded [2683]
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I know several kids with 5.0+ GPA's
Feb 17, 2016, 1:57 PM
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If you take AP classes, and especially if you're in an IB (International Baccalaureate) program, you build up tons of extra points toward GPA.
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Standout [300]
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Re: Clemson admissions
Feb 17, 2016, 1:29 PM
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The average SAT score composite at Clemson is a 1795. The 25th percentile SAT score is 1640, and the 75th percentile SAT score is 1950.
The average high school GPA of the admitted freshman class at Clemson University was 4.18 on the 4.0 scale indicating that primarily A students are accepted and ultimately attend.
Looks like the SAT got him. That and his major. When my son applied for Architecture he was told to also list "undeclared" as an optional major. He got in with a 1850 SAT, 4.85 GPA and 3rd in his class, but it was still iffy if he would get accepted.
This year they had 37,000 applications and 10,000 slots. That's a tough acceptance percentage. I believe that's the toughest in the state.
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