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D Hood- Recruiting / NIL
May 12, 2022, 10:28 PM
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David-
Would love to hear your thoughts on the current NIL landscape and Clemson recruiting.
Will we be able to recruit elite level talent with the way NIL is going?
To me it seems if we continue on this recruiting trajectory , we will not.
Does current recruiting misses have to do more with NIL or other issues that we are not aware of?
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Re: D Hood- Recruiting / NIL
May 12, 2022, 11:13 PM
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I don't think the NIL has affected this class in any particular way, at least not yet. But there are going to be kids - elite kids - who might have considered Clemson in the past that won't now. The money is just too much. I just hope that someone with some common sense finds a way to make all of this work and still be fair, but I think that is a long ways away.
I think the Clemson misses recently have more to do with staff changes - TA for Robbie, CJ for Tony, etc. Kids build relationships with one coach and then have to change. It makes more of a difference than people know. It's gonna take a while for CJ and Kyle and Thomas to get settled and build more than these few-month relationships to where it really works.
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Re: D Hood- Recruiting / NIL
May 13, 2022, 8:49 AM
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Thanks for the reply , that makes a lot of sense.
Do you think the reason bama doesn’t struggle with recruiting despite coaching turnover every year like this, is because of two different recruiting philosophies?
Ours being relationships, bama being built around Saban/NFL / SEC ?
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Re: D Hood- Recruiting / NIL
May 13, 2022, 8:53 AM
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Bama also offers every kid that is graduating HS that year so if they miss on half they still hit on a ton. We only offer the guys we really want.
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Re: D Hood- Recruiting / NIL
May 14, 2022, 10:19 AM
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It's funny how you act like they're not selective and offer everyone, and yet their class tends to be like 25 blue chips every single year.
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This is where hiring from within is hurting us immediately.
May 13, 2022, 9:01 AM
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There's nothing wrong with hiring/promoting from within, but when you have as much turnover at one time like we did last year, sometimes it's good to get a couple of proven experienced people for the job rather than trying to grow up a whole team of new people at once.
Not my circus, not my monkeys, but I think Dabo sometimes misses the business aspect of things sometimes.
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Re: This is where hiring from within is hurting us immediately.
May 13, 2022, 1:23 PM
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I respectfully disagree. Dabo understands the business aspect very well and the dividends that investing in your people will pay in the long run. Loyalty and trust are sometimes hard to find in today’s world.
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Re: This is where hiring from within is hurting us immediately.
May 14, 2022, 10:27 AM
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People are free to have differing opinions. I'm much more skeptical than you. Football is a business. It's a job, both for coaches and players. Loyalty isn't really a thing there. Venables was considered extremely loyal to Clemson. And I credit him with most of our success (along with Deshaun and Trevor). But he was only loyal as long as we paid him well and a better offer didn't come along. Once one did, he saw his chance and now he doesn't mind poaching players to hurt Clemson and improve his own stock. Players will do the same. That Miami guard demanding more NIL money or he'll walk is the first of many. That's how business works. It's silly to be loyal to a job (or a school) to your own detriment. I love my current job and loved my time at Clemson. But I'm not deluded enough to think either has very much loyalty for me. So if a better option opened up, I'd consider it. That's not disloyalty (loyalty is to God, a country, a state, or your friends or family, not to a job).
I don't disagree that there are benefits to investing in your own people. But I hear rumblings from those much closer to the program than you or I (or David) that there is now a tendency to favor yes men and that the one dissenting voice on many decisions the past 3 years is now at Oklahoma. I do think Dabo is a good coach. But any manager who wants to be surrounded by yes men and not risk their opinions being challenged will be a poor one. That's my take at least.
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Re: This is where hiring from within is hurting us immediately.
May 14, 2022, 12:58 PM
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I changed companies 4 times in my 35 year career. I managed operations with 250-300 employees and I didn’t always hire from within either. But I knew my people well enough to know when an internal candidate was ready to move up. And I believe Dabo is capable of making that same decision. What I don’t understand is the people who believe they know better than Dabo what he should have done. I have nothing but respect for BV. He was great and Clemson and I will never criticize someone for making a move that they think is best for them. The point I am making is that when you do promote from within you know exactly what you are getting and if you hire from the outside you are taking some degree of risk regarding dedication and loyalty. It’s all good and we just want to see the Tigers win!
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The problem is....where is OUR money deals?
May 13, 2022, 11:38 AM
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Why has Clemson not initiated big time NIL deals. Where are our boosters, where's the partnerships?
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Re: The problem is....where is OUR money deals?
May 13, 2022, 4:36 PM
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Clemson is Clemson because Clemson. Not because a bunch of rich big city socialites. We have our boosters, but we lack big city money and the big marketing landscape that comes with it. Also, the #### bojangles got in trouble with local beaurocracy just for painting the side of the building Orange and Purple.
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We need NIL to get going….we are far behind***
May 13, 2022, 4:47 PM
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Re: We need NIL to get going….we are far behind***
May 14, 2022, 1:12 PM
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We are not behind anyone we are just not out buying player with booster money because it is illegal. We are possibly doing things the right way better than anyone by setting up a process to connect our players with companies to make money. Most would argue the way it was intended. We aren’t making headlines because it isn’t as flashy as writing million dollar checks
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Re: The problem is....where is OUR money deals?
May 13, 2022, 11:45 PM
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Clemson has no medical schools or law schools.. ND has the most CEO's in the country. Texas has oil money. Miami and UGA and OSU and Bama have a way bigger alumni base than us.
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Re: The problem is....where is OUR money deals?
May 14, 2022, 10:33 AM
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Correct. Clemson also has a poor MBA program that doesn't place very well (MBA's are very risky investments since there are far fewer business openings than graduates. That's why it's commonly said you need to go to a top 7 business program, called the M7. Clemson is #97). It would be smart to acquire the Charleston School of Law (which is terrible) and create a good legal program in SC. As it is, South Carolina is suffering from a terrible brain drain of its best and brightest youngsters who go elsewhere for school and don't come back. There needs to be more investment in graduate programs, which wouldn't just improve boosters and football, but would benefit the state in many ways as well.
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Re: The problem is....where is OUR money deals?
May 14, 2022, 10:50 AM
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Understood, but as post above reads, we haven’t heard of a single $$ offer.
I’ll send $100 tomorrow. If a thousand fans do the same, that’s $100,000 for a lineman. To make it qualify as NIL, you wrap it up as being a “spokesman” for Boys Club of America ( or some other worthy charity). That, coupled with any funds they can earn through other NIL, might be enough.
What, if anything, am I missing?
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Re: The problem is....where is OUR money deals?
May 14, 2022, 11:08 AM
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Why do you have to explain this to these knuckleheads every month? They must just have come out from under a rock. Clemson has always financially existed because of the blue collar little guy giving a few bucks. Clemson has a few high rollers but not many. We can’t compete with very many financially. SC potential for throwing money at their school is so much more than us. Dabo and Dabo alone has brought more money in and grown the economy around Clemson than anyone in our history. You better quit criticizing him and get down on your knees and beg him to never leave. ????
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"Collectives" have taken over. Period
May 14, 2022, 12:17 PM
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If Clemson boosters don't pool their resources and start a huge collective to pay athletes, the handwriting is on the wall. That is the only way for the football program to remain elite.
If anyone here thinks otherwise, you are free to be wrong.
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