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CU Guru [1845]
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Can this team finish out 4-1?
Feb 16, 2017, 8:33 AM
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5-0 or 4-1 is the only shot left for this team to make the NCAA, right?
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I don't see that.
Feb 16, 2017, 8:37 AM
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I think 4-1 is possible. I think we go 2-3 or 3-2 though. What if we go 3-2 and win a game in the ACC tournament? I am not sure what we need thought to make the tournament.
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CU Guru [1845]
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The next two are must wins IMO
Feb 16, 2017, 8:42 AM
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Miami and VTech are a few games ahead of us in the standings, but who isn't honestly right now.
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We could finish 0-5 and still make the NCAA Tourney if
Feb 16, 2017, 8:38 AM
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we win the ACC Tournament.
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Re: We could finish 0-5 and still make the NCAA Tourney if
Feb 16, 2017, 8:40 AM
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Took it to another level there , Bob.
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Re: Can this team finish out 4-1?
Feb 16, 2017, 8:38 AM
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We for sure can. We have proven we can play with just about any team in the nation. Now can we finish the games when they are close? Time will tell. I know we can do it I have seen this team play great for stretches. We need to play great for 40 min though. Saturday is big at the U.
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Can this team,
Feb 16, 2017, 8:39 AM
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yes. The real question is will they?
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Re: Can this team,***
Feb 16, 2017, 8:47 AM
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I believe you may be accurately answering
Feb 16, 2017, 8:52 AM
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the Will They part.
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Oculus Spirit [96812]
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Correct, I only answer real questions***
Feb 16, 2017, 8:53 AM
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Re: Can this team,
Feb 16, 2017, 9:20 AM
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That really is the question.
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Anything is possible with CBB at the helm...
Feb 16, 2017, 8:42 AM
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and I mean anything.
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IMO no. Poor defense and inconsistent offense. No identity.***
Feb 16, 2017, 8:46 AM
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The defense is why I said no.*****
Feb 16, 2017, 9:08 AM
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Yes.
Feb 16, 2017, 8:59 AM
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Just not convinced that going 8-10 in the ACC with zero "good wins" and a plethora of good losses is sufficient to get us into the NCAA Tournament.
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Re: Yes.
Feb 16, 2017, 9:01 AM
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If we beat FSU at home and VT and Miami on the road those are 3 good wins.
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I agree with the first part, though it is highly unlikely.
Feb 16, 2017, 9:13 AM
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Beating Miami and VT, while good for us as a team with a 4 and 9 ACC record, is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme. They aren't particularly good teams. Unfortunately, that seems to be where we are as a program - hoping to at least get an upset or two against middle to lower tier ACC teams.
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Re: I agree with the first part, though it is highly unlikely.
Feb 16, 2017, 9:19 AM
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VT and Miami are both tourney teams how are they not good wins on the road? They are both very significant in the grand scheme of things. A mid level ACC team is a solid 7-10 seed in the tourney. We also beat Usuck on the road that is a good W. Beating WF on the road and at home was big they are on the bubble. UNC, Duke, Virginia, or Louisville beating Miami or VT on the road are good Ws for them. VT has beat Duke and UVA this year at home.
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You think 11 ACC teams will get into The Tournament?
Feb 16, 2017, 9:35 AM
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That's the only way VT, Miami, Wake Forest and Clemson get in. Those teams are currently 8th, 9th, 11th and 12th in the ACC.
68 teams make the tournament. Beating a team or two that barely makes or does not make the tournament is likely of very little value to the tournament committee.
My original post was referring to the ACC slate, but since you mentioned the win over SC, the committee will consider that they were missing their best player - Sindarius Thornwell - who is having an All-American season averaging 20 points and 7 rebounds per game. It would be like Clemson beating them without Jaron Blossomgame.
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Re: You think 11 ACC teams will get into The Tournament?
Feb 16, 2017, 9:46 AM
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A W is a W it does not matter if their best player was out or not. Also I said WF was on the bubble I do not think they get in. VT and Miami are going to be in the tourney for sure. I do believe 10 ACC team will get in but 9 will for sure. Beating VT and Miami at home both have a ton of value to the committee how would it not? They are both top 50 teams and it being on the road. It is not as good as beating a top 25 team but to act like they are not very valuable wins is just mind blowing to me.
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It may also blow your mind to know that the committee does
Feb 16, 2017, 10:18 AM
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consider the true value of the wins and does NOT assume that "a W is a W." 2 of the last 3 years, Clemson has had a 10-8 conference record, but we were denied a bid. While that many conference wins may be impressive to some fans, the committee was not similarly impressed.
Last year, with an 10-8 ACC record(17-13 overall) and wins over Top 20 teams Louisville, Duke and Miami, we did not get in. It's going to be a tough sell for this year's 8 wins(18-12 overall) to be cast in a better light.
We don't match up well at all with FSU, so I don't see a real chance to beat those guys. Our best bet may be to go 4-1 and win two(maybe 3) games in the ACC Tournament. We will likely finish in the bottom 6 of the conference, which, with the new format, means we would play one of three games against the bottom of the conference in the first round and possibly one of 4 games in the second round, where we mayface a ranked team.
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Re: It may also blow your mind to know that the committee does
Feb 16, 2017, 10:49 AM
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Our out of conference was not as strong last year as this year. Also the rest of the field is different from last year so that can be a factor. Our SOS was not as strong last year as this year. As strong as the ACC was last year one could argue this year is even better. I believe out of conference matters a lot to the committee as well as road Ws. Also if we finish strong that will look good in the eyes of the committee as to where last year we finished poorly. We are not a lock but if we finish 4-1 and win two in the ACC tourney I believe we are in. Lunardi is not an idiot he has us in for a reason.
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i'm not clear on
Feb 16, 2017, 9:15 AM
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which team you are referring?
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Oculus Spirit [96812]
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I think he's referring to the
Feb 16, 2017, 9:18 AM
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wimmins team
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Re: I think he's referring to the
Feb 16, 2017, 9:32 AM
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then yes - its possible. a very kind lady once said "anything is possible with bb - and i mean anything"
those are wise words from a wise woman. here's hoping we connect on tinder
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Can we? Sure we could ....
Feb 16, 2017, 9:42 AM
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...which us what has made this season so dang frustrating. Heck, we could be in a position right now where having to finish on a roll didn't matter.
But we didn't close out at the end, or we didn't step up on one side of the ball or the other or the free throws didn't fall ...
I firmly believe we'll be there until the train leaves the station with us either on or off. There's no consistent reason we wouldn't be there, aside from consistent inconsistency.
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Unfortunately, even a 4-1 finish likely gets us an early start in ACC tourney....
Feb 16, 2017, 9:45 AM
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We'll have to play a first day game against Pitt or State or BC if we end up a 10, 11 or 12 seed. My guess is that we would need that win plus another one of significance in the tourney.
I don't think another win against a basement team would seal anything.
Personally, I'd love another shot at Syracuse on day 2
Current Standings
1. UNC 10-3
2. FSU 9-4
3. Louisville 9-4
4. Duke 9-4
5. Notre Dame 9-5
6. UVA 8-5
7. Syracuse 8-6
8. Va. Tech 7-6
9. Miami 7-6
10. GT 6-7
11. Wake 6-8
12. Clemson 4-9
13. Pitt 3-10
14. NCSU 3-11
15. BC 2-12
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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we need the added round for an extra win
Feb 16, 2017, 11:05 AM
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plus it means we'll have played one game
when our opponent has not.
I think that often is more positive
than "game fatigue" is a negative.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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likely no better than 3-2 which means
Feb 16, 2017, 11:09 AM
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we'll get 1 or 2 wins at best in the ACCT which means
we'll be on the bubble still but likely on the wrong side which means
every arsehole on here will be bemoaning
the "lost opportunity, the Coach who can't take the next step,
and how he wants Ollie Cliff Barnell to come back as our Coach."
smfh
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