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Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 5:47 PM
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Anymore?
It really stopped after TLs freshman yr
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 5:47 PM
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Have to make first downs in order to go uptempo.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 5:53 PM
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Why? Don’t you try to create temp by moving the ball toward the first down marker! That’s the weakest saying of all time ( playing behind the sticks)! Don’t you play behind the sticks all game long until you cross the goal line?
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 5:58 PM
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You have to get a first, first down, then you can go uptempo the next set of downs every down… but need one first and we are struggling to do that this year.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 11:15 PM
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Yo need to be able to run slow tempo first.....and we are a horrible offense.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 8:12 PM
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Not really a dumb saying.
If it's second and 10, you are behind the sticks. If it's second and 6, you are not.
If you have more than 3.33 yards to go per down through third down, you are behind the sticks.
Some consider all 4 downs on red zone calculation.
I think that depends on if you are a team prone to kick field goal or go for it on 4th.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 5:48 PM
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Offensive linemen are too busy trying to make a block with down tempo, let alone up tempo!
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 6:29 PM
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We’d punt in 1 minute instead of 3 .. D needs a breather..
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 5:53 PM
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Yea it was frustrating watching TL try to speed up the calls from the sideline only to be slowed down. You could see his frustration ???????. It’s like he knew the pulse of the game and when we had something going, and our staff were oblivious.
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We are too busy taking what the defense gives us.***
Oct 10, 2021, 6:01 PM
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Re: We are too busy taking what the defense gives us.***
Oct 10, 2021, 6:16 PM
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In simpler terms not playing to win?
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A simple change in alignment or basic scheme is all it takes
Oct 10, 2021, 7:08 PM
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to shut our offense down COMPLETELY. Even when our offense is bigger, faster, and much more skilled and talented than yours. Opposing defenses can simply scheme to beat us, and we are helpless, totally unable to adjust and overcome, much less out-scheme any opponnent. Our coaches make it sound like duh, that's just the way it is, that's all you can do. Like, for instance, other teams dropped 6 into coverage, so yeah, we just couldn't complete a pass, so what are we supposed to do? Or, the other team was loading the box, and we just couldn't get anything going on the ground; so they shut down the run, and that made it hard to get first downs, so it was tough out there today.
I'm not being critical for the heck of it; that's what we have actually been told, more or less.
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These types of analogies don't hold firm when you look over
Oct 10, 2021, 8:39 PM
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the course of 6.4 years. It's only the 0.4 where we have struggled like this, and all of a sudden we have folks writing over-analyzed theses on what has ailed our offense.
The actual thesis is EXTREMELY simple.
Block better, and play QB better.
Is there really any question we'd be in this position if Trevor or Deshaun were running this same offense? I'm not trying to dog DJ, but the primary issue is us having difficulty bringing him back to his proven potential. It's a mental block, and that's all it is. If he was playing up to his proven potential, every single facet of the offense would improve, including blocking.
Nothing has changed from the previous 6 years, except the mindset of our proven potential, record-setting QB.
In this SAME offense...
2020:
67% completion rate
914 yards in 117 attempts
3 TDs and 0 INTs,
QBR = 146.4
2021:
54% completion rate
793 yards in 140 attempts
3 TDs, 3 INTs
QBR = 104.6
How can anyone NOT see what is happening on the field? There are ZERO offenses that can function with a poorly performing QB and poorly blocking OL. There are no schemes, adjustments, or playcalls to use when the aforementioned issues are present.
Nothing needs to change. You can't just make radical changes to the offense and expect the key problems to disappear. These key problems need to be alleviated before we can be fully successful.
If we can recover the guy at QB from last year, then we aren't talking about any of this junk or micro-analyzing. Good thing is - DJ threw the ball better against BC, and we blocked better. We can get this thing corrected! When we do, the SAME dynamic offense and playcalling that we've used to succeed at unprecedented levels for 6 years will once again be one of the more dominant in the country.
That's my thesis.
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Re: These types of analogies don't hold firm when you look over
Oct 10, 2021, 10:56 PM
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I have been saying it for 2 years now thank you very much.
Did you miss all the posts from the previous years about scheming WRs open and Tony running a vanilla offense.
It is not just this year.
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All-American [581]
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So you're referring to 2020 and 2019? Like 2020 when
Oct 10, 2021, 11:07 PM
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we were 10th in total offense while finishing 4th in the country, and 2019 when we were 5th in total offense, finishing 2nd in the country?
Man, our offense sucks. Riiiight.
It is just this year.
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Re: These types of analogies don't hold firm when you look over
Oct 12, 2021, 12:38 AM
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I haven't really been outspoken either way but you shouldn't need all time great cfb quarterbacks to move the ball. I get what you are trying to say but bad point.
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Re: We are too busy taking what the defense gives us.***
Oct 10, 2021, 8:37 PM
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Agreed- we would never know for sure if the defense is going to give us those 2 yards up the middle again if we’re doing HUNH!
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 6:30 PM
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Usually we run up tempo after we get a first down or two, but this year we have no consistency on offense. We can’t run up tempo because we need to give our defense any kind of rest we can. We can’t go three and out or only run like 6 or 7 plays and keep putting the defense back on the field. Think of how the N.C. State game went. Unfortunately it is what it is on offense this year. We’re not gonna score a lot of points, so we gotta do what we can to help the defense in other ways. On top of all that it seems like we blitz on 90 percent of our defensive plays.
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Orange Blooded [4880]
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we have not really run up tempo since chad morris.
Oct 10, 2021, 6:35 PM
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josh heuple's offense is up tempo from hec.
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CU Guru [1998]
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Heupel 's
Oct 10, 2021, 9:03 PM
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Style of up tempo is what we used to do and what I would like to see now. Get lined up quick which makes the defense get lined up. Then we can decide whether to snap quickly or wait and get a play called in. Tennessee got lined up so quick Saturday they would check on the play call from the sideline twice before snapping.
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The last two years has been a lack of defensive line depth.
Oct 10, 2021, 6:38 PM
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This year, our QB is struggling with the layups, as Dabo said. Things are already moving too fast for him to try to put that pressure on him.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 6:49 PM
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One good reason is Dabo has chosen not too. The weight of all the conference championships, bowl championships, and national championships rings he’s brought home the last five years has kinda earned him the right to make the calls rather than the “fair weathereds”.
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And how is that working out for us this year?
Oct 10, 2021, 7:49 PM
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Hint: not very good.
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Re: And how is that working out for us this year?
Oct 10, 2021, 11:00 PM
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How did that work out against LSU and OSU as well?
Last time I checked we got boat raced in both games.
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Re: And how is that working out for us this year?
Oct 11, 2021, 11:17 AM
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We were ahead of OSU 14-6 before we went in the tank. Vs. LSU the previous year, We had just run the ball down the field for a TD and were only down 28-25 to the greatest team Money could buy at LSU with 10 minutes left in the third quarter when our geniuses did not let ETN touch the ball again. Looking back is 20/20 I know but everyone says the 4th & 16 was the play that changed Clemson football forever....right. Well, I believe the play calling fiasco against that great LSU team was the same turning point but in the opposite direction. Play calling has been awful since that day.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 7:03 PM
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The reason is our QB is not ready for a faster tempo.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 8:15 PM
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He is not ready for a slow tempo either but......
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All-American [581]
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Correct!***
Oct 10, 2021, 8:44 PM
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We need to learn regular tempo first? Right now, we need to
Oct 10, 2021, 7:14 PM
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get the most basic things right. Throw ball, see ball, catch ball. Stay onsides. No false start penalties. Block your man. Make a first down, so that the defense can get a breather now and then.
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Good to see some common sense around here.***
Oct 10, 2021, 8:45 PM
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Re: Good to see some common sense around here.***
Oct 10, 2021, 11:07 PM
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Common sense?? When you cannot do those things well on offense and your oline is not performing well, a quick pace is your friend in the running game to catch the defense out of position. Get the other team tired as well.
Also, I am not so sure DJ is not overthinking. A fast pace may get him into rhythm.
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I disagree.
Oct 11, 2021, 12:38 PM
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We have tried going fast on occasion. If we can't function in a deliberate, methodical offense, then we we will not be able to function in a fast paced offense where decisions are much quicker. If we can't maintain a fast pace over time, it doesn't tire anyone out. The offensive line has to move faster, so it's a strain on them as well. And it's not like a fast paced offense doesn't require the same thinking processes.
Again, until we can execute the basic fundamentals, there is no sense trying to implement anything completely new.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 7:20 PM
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Have you watched our offense ? we can't put three plays together...are you wanting to kill our defense ? There are already worn out ...jezz up tempo ? really ? common man
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 7:36 PM
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I thought up tempo would be better too but after reading the comments, I see where it would wear the defense out.
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Uptempo doesn't have to mean quick
Oct 10, 2021, 9:08 PM
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Snaps. You can line up fast and then use all the play clock. That wouldn't kill our defense
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It wouldn't wear a defense out unless we can sustain it
Oct 11, 2021, 12:40 PM
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and add a ton more plays. Like someone else said, we can't put three plays together and are having a lot of 3 and outs. That hurts no one except our own defense.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 7:39 PM
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That puts a lot of pressure on our OC to think of the plays quickly.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 8:08 PM
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Many reasons I guess.
We all know the pros of up tempo.
The cons are:
1. Wears your own defense out.
2. Wears your own defense out.
3. Wears your own defense out.
4. Refer to 1,2, or 3.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 10, 2021, 8:56 PM
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We're wearing our defense out as it is. So, at least an up tempo offense will give us a better chance to score. At least it's something different.
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I respectfully disagree
Oct 10, 2021, 9:17 PM
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Injuries are mounting against our defense
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How does uptempo help you score more when you're
Oct 11, 2021, 12:42 PM
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not getting first downs with a methodical offense.
Geez, folks. Stop overthinking this. Until we can function in a basic offense, there is no other playcalling or different offensive tempo that can help.
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Re: How does uptempo help you score more when you're
Oct 11, 2021, 7:55 PM
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It all starts with the QB.
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Don’t be an ignoramus
Oct 11, 2021, 10:13 PM
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It all starts with the OL. The foundation of most great football teams
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the coaches decided not to***
Oct 11, 2021, 9:51 AM
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I have never made a dime coaching football, but ...
Oct 11, 2021, 9:52 AM
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here is my .02 cents for what it's worth.
When the game seems to be moving at light speed for your QB, the last thing you may want to do is speed up even more.
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Re: Can someone give a good.reason we don't run uptempo
Oct 11, 2021, 11:00 AM
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The ENGINEER took over exclusive play calling duties. That is what changed. He is paralyzed while looking for the perfect play and it slows the entire pace of play to a crawl. TE has confused Offensive play calling with Defensive Driving. Unlike driving an automobile, offensive football does not HAVE to be perfect to be successful, especially if the mindset is "OK this is what we are going to do. Now you try to stop us." Right now, it is obvious that we are hung up on overthinking and a bad case of "Analysis Paralysis"
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