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Legend [18790]
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WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 5:07 PM
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DJ throws too hard or ball placement (in their hands).
I have never seen a group of more dulisional posters in all my life.
Bending over backwards to blame poor blocking and dropped balls at DJs feet.
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DJ is an easy target.
Sep 7, 2022, 5:11 PM
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Blaming him is a lot easier than looking deeper at other position groups, or at the coaching staff.
As you said in another post, blaming DJ is lazy. I agree 100%.
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Orange Blooded [4151]
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I agree with you Judge. Not everything is/was DJ’s
Sep 7, 2022, 5:26 PM
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Fault. When he seemed to have the team moving, he got a high snap over his head or one at his feet. He made good throws and receivers dropped them. There were somethings that were his fault, but the cast around him needs to get better as well.
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If DJ just has all this bad luck, and Cade doesn’t, I’d go with Cade at QB
Sep 7, 2022, 5:33 PM
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don’t fight the Universe.
The weird thing is, DJ is having this bad luck streak for the second year in a row.
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Some of it is DJ being unfit for the RPO
Sep 7, 2022, 5:39 PM
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He is slightly clumsy and just not a quick-footed runner.
During the game, all the Big Stinko stuff was just embarrassing for legit Clemson fans. They think magically Cade is going to cure all dropped passes and bad blocking.
I think Cade may be a better-suited player for our offense but DJ is not the issue.
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Re: Some of it is DJ being unfit for the RPO
Sep 8, 2022, 12:36 AM
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Sounds like the same arguments that were made in support of Kelly Bryant.
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I would be ecstatic if DJ was uber successful
Sep 7, 2022, 5:55 PM
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I also don’t think critiquing his play is out of bounds, as long as fans leave his character, work ethic and ambition out of it. He is obviously doing his best and is a great teammate.
With that said, after 14 games with DJ as the starter, I am not sure he has the attributes to elevate our offense to an ACC championship/CFB playoff level. Of course the Oline and WR’s could play better, and I sure hope they do, but I think a more decisive, mobile and accurate QB would help our offense immensely. I mean honestly, A-LOT of QB’s could put up huge numbers if every play was blocked perfectly and pass caught.
Could Cade step in tomorrow and immediately elevate our play? Not sure, but I am growing more and more confident that DJ isn’t going to be able to do it given the constraints of our imperfect OLine and WR’s.
Dabo and staff know infinitely more about football and their players than me. Based on what I’ve seen as a fan, I suspect we will see Cade much more in the next 2 games, but if I am wrong, I will go with a decade of evidence that Dabo knows what he’s doing.
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Re: I would be ecstatic if DJ was uber successful
Sep 7, 2022, 6:48 PM
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Fortunately for us, Dabo will be the one making decisions for the team.
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What position group"s" are you looking to criticize,
Sep 7, 2022, 7:38 PM
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in regards to the 2nd winningest football program on America?
Look, we get it, there is room for improvement in some areas, but has been shown by Dabo and company for over a decade - our coaches develop players and we get better as the season progresses.
We finished in the top 4 six years in a row. Last year we won 10 games and finished 14th in spite of things looking really rough after a 4-3 start. THAT'S COACHING.
When your husband is able to show any sort of progress going into his 13th freakin season, then you can stand proud and try to demean other programs. Until then, stay out of football discussions and specifically trying to weakly criticize the best era in Clemson football history. THAT'S COACHING.
Tell hubby it's time to put up or shut up.
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 5:17 PM
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A lot of people just keep repeating whatever furthers their agenda, which in this case is to bench DJ, regardless of what really happens. It has become a way of life for too many people.
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Come on***
Sep 7, 2022, 7:30 PM
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 8, 2022, 8:35 AM
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You got it exactly right. Facts don’t mean anything if it doesn’t for there narrative!
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 5:24 PM
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People can make all the excuses they want. But I am a firm believer that some QB's do throw a ball that is more catchable for receivers than other QB's. Weather it is their touch, placement or timing of the throw.
I'm not saying that is the case with DJ but since there is a pattern from last year into this year people are going to look for reasons.
I sincerely hope that DJ has a great year that propels him into 1st round consideration in the Draft and gives Cade plenty of opportunity to grow into the role for next year.
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 5:30 PM
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I believe that too, but it looked to me like DJ was throwing with better touch and placement Monday than he was last year. I think that is the point - lots of people made their mind up about DJ last year and won’t be able to see any improvement that does happen this year because they have already established their agenda and will only recognize things that support that agenda.
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 5:24 PM
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Obviously you have never played football so your weak idea can be overlooked.
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I played football.
Sep 7, 2022, 6:40 PM
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So why don't you run along and let the grown-ups talk?
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Valley Tool thinks Madden '96 counts as playing football***
Sep 7, 2022, 7:31 PM
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 5:27 PM
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I wonder how much effect the rain will have on our Air Raid Offense?
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 6:11 PM
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Not that Rick Neuheisel is a guru, but he did mention Tuesday that DJ through to a covered WR more than anyone he saw over the weekend. Incorrect read ls maybe? He was throwing 50/50 balls that were dropped, yes, but also had open receivers he wasn’t throwing to if you go back and watch a replay of the game.
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 7, 2022, 6:18 PM
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1. Because they are honestly shocked the ball got to them instead of sailing over their head and out of bounds.
2. Because the ball did not arrive at the point in time the play was designed for, giving the coverage time to close in.
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I hope #1 is a joke
Sep 7, 2022, 6:41 PM
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as far as two is concerned, most of our throws are to the sidelines, so no.
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Everyone thinks they have to be perfect
Sep 7, 2022, 6:27 PM
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Because they don’t trust dj’s ability. Including dj. And the coaches. So everyone ends up pressing. Guys drop balls. That’s what i see. I’m just a guy, but i have watched a lot of football and i feel like my take is pretty reasonable. Not being lazy. Just calling it how i see it.
I think we’ll get a chance to see how wr’s and others perform with cade at qb. If there isn’t a big difference, then you might have a point.
But time will tell. QB matters more than anything else. His play affects everyone else. It’s not lazy to question qb play when offense struggles. We’re gonna find out if cade makes the offense a lot better this season. That’s what i think
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The guy threw an 85% completion rate when you discount the 4
Sep 7, 2022, 6:45 PM
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drops. Think about that though FOUR drops in one night. You are not going to win many games like that.
I do think Cade could run the RPO better most likely and maybe throwing on the run is something we need to do.
I agree though, play both anyway, just don't say OL and WR issues are all DJs fault.
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Maybe not all
Sep 7, 2022, 6:57 PM
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But at least a big part of it falls on the qb. Just the way it is imo. And that’s part of why you can’t discount drops and add to completion percentage. You can’t say, “hey if the guys around him were perfect, he would be amazing.” That’s just not real life. Everyone on the field is responding to the qb and fact is, our guys don’t seem to have a lot of confidence when he’s out there. It’s not personal. Just what i see
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With DJ
Sep 7, 2022, 7:35 PM
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Nothing looks comfortable or easy. Every possession feels like pulling teeth to get a yard. Thats what I see.
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We are accustomed to generational QBs like Deshaun and Trevor.
Sep 7, 2022, 11:08 PM
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They made it look easy.
The reality is that 99.9% of QBs will not make it look so easy.
Our offense can’t be dependent upon generational talent at QB. If it is, our offense is going to struggle because Elliott - and now Streeter - don’t seem to have the ability to make necessary adjustments to succeed otherwise.
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Re: We are accustomed to generational QBs like Deshaun and Trevor.
Sep 7, 2022, 11:27 PM
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If DJ was more confident and comfortable in the pocket I’m betting it would be easier for them to call plays. Chicken or the egg. We are going to have this debate until DJ and team starts performing or we move to the next.
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Don’t need a generational talent
Sep 8, 2022, 8:23 AM
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Just need a really good qb. So does every team who wants to win it all. Cuz, again, qb is more important than anything else. So, yeah, if you’ve got national title aspirations, your success is dependent upon having excellent qb play. Sadly, pretty much all the other acc qb’s outperformed dj last year. Would the offense have done better with leary? Van dyke? Hartman? How about the new kid at unc? Cunningham? Pickett? I think the answers is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. So we’re really not talking about a generational talent. We’re talking about needing someone who is at least an upper tier acc qb. With the talent in place and the current staff, plug that guy in and we’ll see what happens. I expect that’s exactly what will happen this year.
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But, let’s talk about DJ’s release for a moment…
Sep 7, 2022, 6:34 PM
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His passes seem to be wobbling, like, 95% of the time.
TL16 probably had hands the size of DJ, or larger, but his passes seemed to have a tight spiral just about all of the time.
With the ball wobbling as it comes into your hands, the receiver is presented with the ADDITIONAL task of adjusting the clutch of the ball to get that grip on the ball immediately and securing it to control.
I know this may seem a bit picky, and I know that these receivers are not Higgins or Williams or Watkins, but DJ’s ball flight is just something that makes me think that maybe this is a contributing factor to the WR drops.
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The dude did not throw the ball off-target though
Sep 7, 2022, 6:46 PM
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and our WR should catch the ball in their hands.
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Wait, are you saying all "4 drops" were all right on hands?
Sep 7, 2022, 7:56 PM
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Please list them.
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well, a "drop"
Sep 7, 2022, 11:00 PM
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is when the ball hits a receiver in the hands......you can see where Im going with this yeah?
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Re: But, let’s talk about DJ’s release for a moment…
Sep 7, 2022, 11:32 PM
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This seems valid. I’m betting even the gloves they wear today are more effective helping stick a catch with a spiral versus a wobbly pass.
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Most of the posters on this thread have some valid points, but...
Sep 7, 2022, 6:51 PM
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Does DJ make the players around him better? It seemed obvious that on Cade's one drive, he made the players around him better. The O-line looked better, the receivers looked better and the flow and urgency of the offense definitely looked better.
Admittedly, Cade has a small sample size, and hopefully, Saturday he'll get more than one series...maybe even one or two in the first half!
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he also had
Sep 7, 2022, 11:02 PM
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receivers and backs that were out there trying to show the coaches what they could do. while at the same time going against a gassed GT defense that had probably already given up. just saying.
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Still b!tching?!
Sep 7, 2022, 7:39 PM
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Are you on your cycle this week?
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 8, 2022, 12:48 AM
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It’s not about blaming DJ even though it appears that way. It’s recognizing that there is another option which most think will be more successful. Even the National guys are saying Cade may need to play more.
I’ve seen the same argument being made for Antonio Williams at WR. He’s an option that may be better than what’s playing.
Did the OL look bad, especially the right side? Absolutely. Unfortunately, there it seems to be a case of we got who we got. I don’t see anyone sitting on the sidelines that I think would improve that situation.
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Re: WRs drop balls in their hands because
Sep 8, 2022, 3:37 AM
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Yea there were like 3 drops and 2 extremely gross misfires by DJ.
The OL needs DJ to play like he did in the late 3rd quarter and 4th quarter, he needs to calm down behind center, he was way to jittery and put himself into pressure by rolling out prematurely or drifting in the pocket early in the game.
I do agree if the coaches want to force the square peg into the circle hole they need to adapt the scheme further. RPOs will not work with DJ he needs to be in a more traditional spread out offense if they want him to simplify his progressions. Issue with that and why I think Dabo has gone the opposite is the run game will suffer, the one knock on this OL I agree with is run blocking is soft and gets 0 push.
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The only ball you could argue maybe had to much zip
Sep 8, 2022, 7:17 AM
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on it I saw was the short pass to Allen on the goal line. The rest were downfield. I've been saying since last year the guys dropping the ball are the ones to hold accountable. Not the QB, not the WR coach. Players make plays.
Of the drops, Beaux Collins gets a pass in this game from me. It was his first live action since the spring game with him missing both scrimmages due to injury. He also made 2 really nice plays. Dacari I only saw targeted once, and he drew a PI. Ngata and EJ need to get open and catch the ball. Right now we have guys, especially when Randall is back, to take their snaps. Last year with the walking wounded we basically played who we could get on the field.
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No one threw harder than Trevor
Sep 8, 2022, 8:38 AM
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With every single post you prove how stupid you really are left coast Tiger. Put on a mask, get a booster and leave the grown ups alone
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