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Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 11:04 AM
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I just received a text that says nothing definitive is going to happen regarding Brad's job status at today's meeting. I was told Brad and Dan are just meeting and talking through things, and that a decision will not be made in this meeting.
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Hopefully Monday*****
Mar 18, 2017, 11:05 AM
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Thanks dhood, but I hope what you're hearing is wrong***
Mar 18, 2017, 11:06 AM
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My guess would be conditions for staying
Mar 18, 2017, 11:08 AM
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that possibly include staff changes. Deadline to say yay or nay. Just a guess however
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Why I don't like that approach . . .
Mar 18, 2017, 11:27 AM
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besides the fact that I think Brownell's record alone is enough to get him canned as it is. . . and why I don't think that will happen.
Let's say DRad keeps Brownell and has him make staff changes. Then what happens if Brownell has yet another disappointing season? If Drad brought him back for another season after that, DRad might be the one looking for a job, as such a move would be insane. I'm pretty certain that ain't gonna happen. That means next season would have to be a do-or-die season for Brownell. He would have to win big or he's gone. That would put unbelievable pressure on coaches and players, and make recruiting virtually impossible. That's why I don't see any way Brownell can stay for another year, but DRad may get creative with terms and buyouts and such, we'll see.
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you can take one thing to the bank...
Mar 18, 2017, 11:36 AM
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...Drad's job is not close tonin jeapordy whether he keeps CBB or not . He is sitting almost as pretty as our head football coach right now
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Re: you can take one thing to the bank...
Mar 18, 2017, 12:37 PM
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Why drad didn't hire Dabo. Drad ran gtech in the ground when he was there.
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Re: Why I don't like that approach . . .
Mar 18, 2017, 11:39 AM
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The past 2 years is the most athletic success we've had since the 80s, and that's not just football. DRad isn't getting fired.
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You guys are probably right, but that doesn't change to fact
Mar 18, 2017, 11:45 AM
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that bringing back Brownell if he had yet another disappointing season would be insane, and would not happen, which is my point.
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Re: You guys are probably right, but that doesn't change to fact
Mar 18, 2017, 12:01 PM
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remember the guy talking with him is the guy that gave him that HUGE UNEARNED SALARY WITH THAT HUGE UNEARNED BUY-OUT!!!!! NOTHING is off the table after that!
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Re: You guys are probably right, but that doesn't change to fact
Mar 18, 2017, 12:39 PM
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Yep and he did the same at gtech
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Hewitt at least earned the new deal and buyout
Mar 18, 2017, 3:13 PM
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he made the championship game. Things crashed after that, but when that deal was struck it made perfect sense
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Re: Why I don't like that approach . . .
Mar 18, 2017, 12:49 PM
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recruiting is absolutely pitiful and awful anyway!!if recruiting was EVER going to improve it would have happened in SIX YEARS BEFORE NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: My guess would be conditions for staying
Mar 18, 2017, 11:34 AM
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Add making the NCAA tournament next year. If the chickens can make it, why can't Clemson?
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Re: My guess would be conditions for staying
Mar 18, 2017, 11:57 AM
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so U just think we are going more and more into that hole where we might not recover?next year we just might not win an ACC game but that is OK??
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ok here's my 2 cents worth....Dan Radakovich is not going to
Mar 18, 2017, 12:17 PM
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make a rash decision based on the end of the season, he is much too reasonable and level headed for that. He will do the same as he did with the baseball situation, he will give him another year with the strongly worded instruction of "noticeable improvement" needing to be seen. I think next year is the year and then Dan will be able to say that he gave him every chance he could.
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That would be wrong on every level.
Mar 18, 2017, 2:38 PM
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First, he doesn't owe Brownell "every chance"; he owes Clemson the best coach possible to turn this thing around. If that is Brownell, so be it, but there is a solid body of evidence that says it isn't. It would be like letting a murder suspect go free when you had solid DNA evidence, video of the suspect committing the crime, multiple eye witnesses, motive, and a mountain of circumstantial evidence, then letting him off because you just felt he was innocent, and that there was a chance that he didn't do it.
Secondly, like I said, you can't bring a coach back for what everybody knows is a do-or-die season. The pressure to win would be unbearable, and recruiting would dry up completely. It would be a total disaster, especially if he didn't have a big year and have a miraculous turn around.
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thanks dhood
Mar 18, 2017, 11:07 AM
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i had a feeling everyone was jumping the gun. if you see someone wandering around dressed in mid 1800's western garb, just keep walking. and don't stare. he was doing some recon and apparently loves bojangles
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Translation: Brownell is gone. We are looking for a way
Mar 18, 2017, 11:08 AM
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to do it that is respectful to Brad and we have to get everything squared away with Will Wade's buyout and his contract here.
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I hope you're right***
Mar 18, 2017, 1:17 PM
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Re: Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 11:08 AM
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Sounds like Brownell may be being given an opportunity to job search or that he is being told of specific expectations for next season, i.e. "Be Good or be Gone." I certainly hope we are making the correct long term move, but I doubt it unless Brownell leaves on his own accord.
Go Tigers!
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Is it likely that DRad has a list of things for BB to change
Mar 18, 2017, 11:09 AM
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and this is a wait and see what his answer is?
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Re: Is it likely that DRad has a list of things for BB to change
Mar 18, 2017, 11:21 AM
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It's Drads way. He did it with Leggett.
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This really feels like the same meeting
Mar 18, 2017, 11:14 AM
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Leggett got before he was given an extra year and we know how that turned out. I hope I'm wrong.
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Maybe they're negotiating Brad's buyout.***
Mar 18, 2017, 11:14 AM
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Re: Maybe they're negotiating Brad's buyout.***
Mar 18, 2017, 2:54 PM
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That's probably it. He will get another year if he agrees to a less costly buyout if he is fired next year. If he doesn't agree to it, he may be cut this year.
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Re: Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 11:16 AM
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Do you think DRad is trying to gauge possible coach replacements interest before making a final decision on Brownell?
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Re: Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 11:17 AM
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So a descision hasn't been made for him to stay?
Mar 18, 2017, 11:24 AM
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I don't really understand how a descision hasn't been made. You either need to come out and "fully" support Brownell like he did about a week ago and let everyone know he's coming back or IF you haven't made that descision then who are you kidding? In that case we're even setting him up for future failure. It's hard enough to recruit at a CLEMSON, why keep the questions swirling?
Right?
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Re: Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 11:26 AM
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So we are seeing who we can get first!
Got to make the right choice. Just do not need a another BB or TB type coach!
Just keep what you got!
I say BB is done! Just working out the details!
He would have known if Clemson was keeping him after the the first meeting.
My 2 cents?
The same thing happen with JL.
Not worth the $500k you would save. It will be a bad year next year with BB just like it was with JL.
JL was a legend!
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Paging jm1959...
Mar 18, 2017, 11:29 AM
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Paging jm1959... Curious what your "close relative in the basketball department" has to say about this.
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Re: Paging jm1959...
Mar 18, 2017, 11:37 AM
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Got fussed at a little yesterday. No news yet. They are meeting
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Who got fussed at? You or Brownell?***
Mar 18, 2017, 12:03 PM
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Re: Who got fussed at? You or Brownell?***
Mar 18, 2017, 12:13 PM
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Me
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Re: Who got fussed at? You or Brownell?***
Mar 18, 2017, 12:15 PM
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Point for the ### chewing
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IMHO Clemson does not have the horses to win next year.
Mar 18, 2017, 12:08 PM
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Which makes one more year a waste of time.
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Re: IMHO Clemson does not have the horses to win next year.
Mar 18, 2017, 12:22 PM
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A new passionate bb coach could take what we have and play better basketball
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Re: IMHO Clemson does not have the horses to win next year.
Mar 18, 2017, 12:25 PM
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I hung with BB as long as I could. A change has to be made. Has to. You can't return what we did and fall flat.
Now that Keatts is gone, throw a bunch of money at Crean or go get an up and comer like Wade.
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Re: IMHO Clemson does not have the horses ...my .02 cents..
Mar 18, 2017, 3:02 PM
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If for example , the new guy is Will Wade ....,
You must keep in mind that
Wade is from Shaka (OP) 40 minutes of havoc basketball tree. Would be a great hire but will struggle to play his style with the type players currently on campus.
It will be wors b4 better. BTW, for all the Shyatt bashers. He is a darn good basketball coach .
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Re: IMHO Clemson does not have the horses to win next year.
Mar 18, 2017, 12:26 PM
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This is exactly the issue as I see it. If DRad keeps Brad for another year, give me one good reason to believe next year will be any better, without Blossomgame?
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That reason doesn't exist...
Mar 18, 2017, 12:36 PM
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Time to move on from CBB.
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Re: IMHO Clemson does not have the horses to win next year.
Mar 18, 2017, 2:44 PM
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Exactly. People keep saying NCAA or bust next year. It should have been that the past two years.
But next year is going to be ROUGH. Maybe not Shyatt bad but rough nonetheless.
People look at this roster and think it's an NCAA Tournament team next year? I just don't see it, especially with the lack of defense.
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Re: Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 12:21 PM
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DR is waiting till monday to see the outcome of the Duke South Carolina game.
Seems DR has his sight on the gamecocks coach Frank McGuire.
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Frank McGuire is not available.****
Mar 18, 2017, 12:37 PM
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Re: Brownell update
Mar 18, 2017, 12:34 PM
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Not the news I wanted to hear. 7 years of this sub-mediocrity needs to end.
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very disappointing to read
Mar 18, 2017, 1:17 PM
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if you don't have answers after seven years a few meetings isn't going to provide answers...cut the cord
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They could be discussing all sorts of things.
Mar 18, 2017, 1:50 PM
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It is fair to assume that it is a very important meeting since they are having it on a Saturday morning. If the meeting were just a formality, they would have waited until next week or even the week after.
Make no mistake, something of significance will come out of the meeting. This is not your run of the mill performance review.
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good points Judge....it's time for a change imho
Mar 18, 2017, 2:03 PM
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we've tried this for seven years. That's long enough to see progress.
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