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Best coach ever at Clemson
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When I say best coach I mean overall, not just x's and o's but recruiting and wins, what he did for the program, etc...
A lot of people won't agree with this for personal reasons but I say it's Oliver Purnell.
Clemson has always been known for football, but for the short time he was here it actually became known as a pretty good basketball school as well.
The excitement around the program actually rivaled football and was trending upward when he left.
I think if he stays we have at least a couple ACC titles and several deep runs in the NCAA's, and we're known as a football and basketball school like the Florida's and Ohio St.s of the world by now.
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Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
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Dabo Swinney! 2 NCAA Champions, 6 Final Fours and multiple Conference Championships.
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
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Clemson was always known as a sleeping giant.
Not taking anything away from him but a lot of coaches could have done what Dabo did...
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
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"a lot of coaches could have done what Dabo did..."
Totally disagree with this.
Could a lot of coaches have made us relevant again? Top 10? New Years day bowls etc? Maybe a playoff appearance or 2? Sure
I don't think any other coach out there has the run that Dabo took us on from 2015 to 2020. Could a coach come along after Dabo and make us that dominant again? Sure but only because of what he did.
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
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Well none before him came close at Clemson. Danny had a couple of solid years and 1 NC but he also inherited a lot of talent.
I disagree that a lot of coaches could have come in and done what he did at Clemson because there is only a handful that has done what he has done at any program. Dabo stands alone in comparison to other Clemson coaches and is by far the greatest coach Clemson has ever had.
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
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Uh, no!
Danny Ford had a decade, plus, with outstanding teams. In 11 years, his teams were 96-29-4 and went 6-2 in bowl games. His teams won 20 of 25 games against schools ranked in the top 20 (correct back then) by the AP.
He led little-ole Clemson to become a consistent winner that was generally accepted across the US.
Those wins included wins over UGay? And ND in South Bend. And Oklahoma. And that OSU. Wins over these teams were a major step-ups for teams from the ACC. (Bobby Bowden's FSU teams, with Brad Scott as the OC, teams were the exception -- as they feared no one.)
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Danny was awesome. Lost some head-scratchers,
Jan 23, 2023, 11:10 PM
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But was everything else you said.
But still, Dabo has accomplished more for Clemson football than anyone. That's not a slight on Danny.
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
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Jan 23, 2023, 2:58 PM
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"A lot of coaches could've done what Dabo did." Yet there is only a small handful of active coaches with similar or barely similar resumes in the country at bigger schools. Awful take buddy.
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
Jan 23, 2023, 3:32 PM
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? Disagree ,
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But none of them ever did...we here all this guffaw about Frank Howard...his record was pitiful...he managed to beat Presby and Furman on a regular basis but got no respect..look at his 4 best seasons,we were ranked no higher than 9th ever...and his losers would have gotten any modern coach fired...only Danny Ford and Dabo have ever brought us any real respect and they had to fight like he** for that...nobody knew where CCC was until Danny beat Nebraska and Tom Osborne although Woody Hayes helped us out a bit...Dabo is a winner for sure, makes all the Marxist media mad as he** cause we are stuck in their craw!
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Re: Since this is poasted on the football board, I'm going with
Jan 24, 2023, 7:06 PM
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No way anyone else could do what Dabo has done.
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Dabo & Bill Wilhelm - one for the modern era and one
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from the still pretty modern era.
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Re: Dabo & Bill Wilhelm - one for the modern era and one
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Add Coach Ibrahim to the list. 2 National Championships.
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Agree 100%. Ibrahim did for our 3rd most popular sport
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(and arguably 2nd most successful) at Clemson, what Wilhelm did for our 2nd most popular sport (and debatable whether it is our 2nd or 3rd most successful program) and clearly Dabo has done the almost unimaginable to our most popular sport at Clemson.
Chuck Kreise COULD be in there with what he did with our men's tennis - clearly our 4th most popular sport . . .
And if anyone knew the "coach" (I think they are called advisors (? ? ? ?)) 's name of the concrete canoe racing thingy - he could be on the list, too, leading our 5th most popular sport.
All of these are VERY deserving.
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The guy who got upset 3 times in a row and NEVER won a
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NCAA Tourney game? Foster, Ellis and Barnes were all considerably better than him
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Re: The guy who got upset 3 times in a row and NEVER won a
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NCAA Tourney game? Foster, Ellis and Barnes were all considerably better than him
CBB as well
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
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Dabo and it’s not even close. Danny Ford would be 2nd.
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Dabo***
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
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I choose not to run.
Signed,
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Brownell, obviously.
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Kidding aside, it has to be Dabo.
Ibrahim would be my next vote.
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Nice sense of humor!!
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Yes, IM is a good call, he completely built the Soccer
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Program from the ground up and won 2 Titles
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Re: Yes, IM is a good call, he completely built the Soccer
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I got to know some of the Nigerian players who played for Coach Ibrahim. The consensus was that he could not coach but was an excellent recruiter. If part of selecting the best coach is knowledge of X 's and O's, Coach Ibrahim would not be even in the top 10.
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Neither would Dabo, but his recruiting and management still
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Re: Neither would Dabo, but his recruiting and management still
Jan 23, 2023, 6:57 PM
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You’re a clown.
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That's it?***
Jan 23, 2023, 9:58 PM
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Re: That's it?***
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Between your unhinged snowflake reaction to the fact that your avatar is broken and now aping FGF talking points about Dabo that even they were smart enough to abandon years ago, yes “you’re a clown” is about all there is to say.
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Dabo's NOT an Xs and Os guy, sorry that triggers you
Jan 23, 2023, 11:14 PM
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so much Coach Viz...and my avatar's not broken, clearly it's a mobile site issue, I have nothing to do with it at all
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Re: Dabo's NOT an Xs and Os guy, sorry that triggers you
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It doesn’t trigger me. It’s so beyond stupid it isn’t worth arguing over. You’d fit right in over at Gamecock Central.
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I wouldn't know, I lack your frame of reference for Gamecock
Jan 23, 2023, 11:33 PM
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Central...plus I'm not a coach, nor do I pretend to be one
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Re: I wouldn't know, I lack your frame of reference for Gamecock
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Weird since you just pretended to have the requisite knowledge to judge, despite all available evidence to the contrary, that Dabo doesn’t know anything about Xs and Os.
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Link to where I said he didn't know ANYTHING about
Jan 24, 2023, 12:27 AM
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Xs and Os? I said he wasn't an Xs and Os guy, that he was a recruiter and a manager, I stand by that... Dabo has said he got into coaching for the relationships...I honestly don't know why it triggers you so much...maybe stay off of Gamecock Central so much
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Re: Link to where I said he didn't know ANYTHING about
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So what you actually say on this board matter when you’re the one being called? Hypocrisy is unbecoming. Please quantify how he isn’t an X’s and O’s guy. I’d love to hear it.
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His forte is recruiting, building relationships and being
Jan 24, 2023, 12:46 AM
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the CEO off the Football program, that should be pretty obvious to someone with your coaching experience ...Speaking of hypocrisy, you said my statement was too stupid to argue about and yet you've hung on my every word, even if you couldn't comprehend them very well, and tried to argue them anyway...and your first sentence, well maybe you could rephrase that, or did you mean to write "So what you actually say on this board matter when you’re the one being called"?
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B_Meist is working on the avatar issue
Jan 24, 2023, 12:54 AM
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Good to know, I can see how much it triggered some of you
Jan 24, 2023, 12:56 AM
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who couldn't see it on the mobile site
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Apologies. Was trying to extend an olive branch
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mentioning it yesterday. Thought you had done the same
Commenting on my post. That’s all man. Pretty sure FM
Was coming from the same place. Truce?
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Sure, but we are going to have to agree to disagree on FM,
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he was totally being a smart a$$, but I'm cool if you're cool
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Yea man, I'm cool.
Jan 24, 2023, 1:14 AM
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glad to be here.
What makes you think he was being a SA? He echoed what I pointed out so I was thinking maybe you associated his response with me maybe? I've seen FM sarcasm posts, but I didn't think that was one of them. Respect your perspective. I just thought he was maybe affirming what I said.
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Call me crazy, but I don't think he was doing it to be
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genuinely helpful, he was doing it to fire off his zinger...period
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I agree. I don't think he was trying to help a
Jan 24, 2023, 1:26 AM
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troubled marriage, in terms of his investment, but I also don't think he was trying to be an A-hole, if that makes sense. That's all I'm saying.
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Nah man,
Jan 24, 2023, 2:00 AM
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Re: His forte is recruiting, building relationships and being
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Wow, you really did stay up all night rage posting. Apparently on a PC, since mobile is so far beneath you. And yet still couldn’t quantify why Dabo is just a CEO with somewhere between > 0 but < CM Shack level knowledge of Xs and Os. Mind you I’m not arguing. Just wanting to let you further bathe yourself in coot aphorisms.
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Re: Yes, IM is a good call, he completely built the Soccer
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I think he could recruit and coach. He won the 1984 National Championship with the team a majority of foreign players (mostly Nigerian). Then, after having been heavily criticized for using so many furriners, he won the 1987 National Championship with a majority of U.S. born players (I seem to remember that there were only a couple of furriners on the 1987 team, but my memory could be off).
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Re: Yes, IM is a good call, he completely built the Soccer
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There were only 2 Nigerians on the 1984 team.
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Don't let CoachViz hear you say that, it will twist his
Jan 24, 2023, 12:48 AM
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undies good
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I.M. Ibrahim***
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John Heisman or Dabo Swinney?
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I mean Heisman is the Heisman. But...Dabo has 2 Natty's
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
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Oliver Purnell ? Best coach ever at Clemson ?
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
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Dabo Swinney. 2 National Championships and 7 ACC Titles in the last 8 years.
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 23, 2023, 3:22 PM
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When I say best coach I mean overall, not just x's and o's but recruiting and wins, what he did for the program, etc...
A lot of people won't agree with this for personal reasons but I say it's Oliver Purnell.
Clemson has always been known for football, but for the short time he was here it actually became known as a pretty good basketball school as well.
The excitement around the program actually rivaled football and was trending upward when he left.
I think if he stays we have at least a couple ACC titles and several deep runs in the NCAA's, and we're known as a football and basketball school like the Florida's and Ohio St.s of the world by now.
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Bill Wilhelm — I.M. Ibrahim — Annie Tribble
Jan 23, 2023, 3:22 PM
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While Dani’s success has put Clemson on the national map in an amazing fashion, he has also been assisted by a large number of great assistants.
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Dabo hired those assistants.
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But you’re right, he didn’t do it alone. He had an administration 100% behind him who provided funding for whatever he needed and wanted. That’s a rarity at Clemson and in college sports in general.
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Most of you will have no idea of him
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but while not the "best coach" results wise Press Maravich was the best I have personally witnessed. I used to sit in the bleachers at Fike watching practice and him teaching the game. Given no facilities, and a very small budget he did wonders. We won our first ACC tournament games under him.
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
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Big Dog,
Maybe it is because I am so old, but I'd have to say Cliff Ellis - those teams were amazing - and the really competed when the ACC was at its best !!
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 23, 2023, 4:13 PM
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Basketball: Rick Barnes
Football: Dabo. No question about it.
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I loved OP initially. But he was a 1-trick pony
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When his zone was working, we could play with anybody. But once they figured out how to break the zone, we were done. Our entire identity was that zone defense. It was time for him to go, when he did. He actually kinda reminded me of Chad Morris and his refusal to run a Qb sneak. His course had run the same way.
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Wait, you think Morris didn't run the QB sneak? Don't tell
Jan 24, 2023, 12:30 AM
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TB10 that
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I assume you're talking all sports, but Purnell isn't even
Jan 23, 2023, 7:53 PM
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our best basketball coach! Barnes was definitely better, maybe Ellis and Brownell too!
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Let's see..ummmmmm, no lol :)
Jan 23, 2023, 9:24 PM
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nm
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Ole Kenny
Jan 24, 2023, 12:38 AM
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Says hi
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 24, 2023, 6:45 AM
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Jimmy Johnson
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
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Jan 24, 2023, 7:21 AM
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Heisman because look at these scores:
1900 S Carolina 51-0
1900 Georgia 39-5
1900 Alabama 35-0
1901 Guilford 122-0
1901 Georgia 29-5
1902 Georgia 36-0
1902 Auburn 16-0
1902 Tennessee 11-0
1903 Georgia 29-0
1903 Georgia Tech 73-0
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 24, 2023, 7:33 AM
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Your opinion kinda absurd, he wasn't even the best basketball coach.
You missed an opportunity. How about Brad Brownell, Larry Shyatt, or Humpty Dumpty?
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CU Guru [1938]
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 24, 2023, 9:09 AM
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Titles. He won no titles. Dabo has. Some of you are really sad and pathetic
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Letterman [293]
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 24, 2023, 6:47 PM
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He left Clemson for DePaul, which is a better known school for basketball. While there compiled a 54 win , 105 loss record. Very unimpressive.
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 24, 2023, 6:50 PM
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Heisman has to be in the top 2 or 3.
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Re: Best coach ever at Clemson
Jan 24, 2023, 8:45 PM
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I must laugh at Oliver being the best coach.
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