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Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 11:12 AM
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Obama and his staff were stunned to learn that Bergdahl's fellow service members wanted him charged with desertion. Obama and his staff probably thought to themselves, "Hell, desertion probably goes through every soldier's mind."
Obama and his staff don't understand or respect the military and its ways. What do you expect from a maroon who pronounces Navy corpsman as "corpseman"?
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lay off Obama....
Mar 26, 2015, 11:26 AM
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he probably first read about it in the news like the rest of us
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 11:57 AM
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Maybe Bergdahl thought the war was over, I can see how he got his signals crossed.
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 12:08 PM
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Bush Never Said “Mission Accomplished”
With the leaking Gulf oil well apparently under control, and the spilled oil mysteriously vanishing, the Obama administration has come under pressure from journalists to declare “mission accomplished.” It is understandably unwilling to do this, partly because things could still go wrong and partly because of the phrase’s unfortunate political baggage.
According to the virtually universal political folk memory, former President George Bush prematurely declared “mission accomplished” in Iraq from the deck of an aircraft carrier in May 2003, when some of the worst fighting still lay ahead.
We all remember that, don’t we? And if not, Kevin Connolly of BBC News in Washington has just reminded us of Bush’s much mocked statement. Analyzing President Obama’s August 2 announcement that all U.S. combat operations would end in Iraq by the end of the month, Connolly said:
The president was careful not to repeat the mistake of his predecessor George W. Bush who famously declared that America's mission in Iraq had been accomplished seven years ago - long before the violence and instability were ended.
But Bush didn’t say that. In fact, in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush declared: “Our mission continues.” It is true that Bush’s speech, in which he announced the end of major combat operations, was far too triumphant about U.S. military achievements. But he never “famously declared that America’s mission in Iraq had been accomplished.”
On the contrary, he said that following the fall of Baghdad, “now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country... We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous.” Bush's goal in Iraq was never purely military – his mission was to bring freedom and democracy to a vital part of the Middle East.
Here are some more quotes from the speech:
?“The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
?“Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.”
?“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.”
?“America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.”
So how did the belief that he declared “mission accomplished” become so deeply embedded in the public consciousness? The reason is that the ship’s crew, in collusion with White House staff, had strung a large banner bearing the words “mission accomplished” behind the spot where Bush was due to speak. The banner was seen on TV throughout the president’s speech. But Bush himself knew nothing about the decision to display the banner, and certainly did not approve it.
“Irregardless,” as Bush himself used to say, the speech became known as the “mission accomplished” speech, and will probably always be known that way. A striking visual image trumps the spoken word any day. And it’s almost certainly too much to hope that the media will go back and read the speech and see what he actually said. You can forget about renaming it the “mission continues” speech, even if that would be much more accurate.
Written by Reginald Dale
http://csis.org/blog/bush-never-said-%E2%80%9Cmission-accomplished%E2%80%9D
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 12:11 PM
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FACT:
Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. Bush's assertion—and the sign itself—became controversial after guerrilla warfare in Iraq increased during the Iraqi insurgency. The vast majority of casualties, both military and civilian, occurred after the speech.
none the less, he was up for re-election and needed to seem competent and in control. try and re-write history if you like, but this happened.
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I'm just pointing out that you are factually incorrect.***
Mar 26, 2015, 12:35 PM
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Factually, he never said "mission accomplished."
Mar 26, 2015, 12:39 PM
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And factually I'm not touching you.
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Bububububut Bush...
Mar 27, 2015, 12:07 PM
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We get it. You didn't like Bush so Obama gets a free ride on everything.
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Re: Bububububut Bush...
Mar 27, 2015, 4:57 PM
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I looked closely and saw no mention of the CIC in his post. If you Can you read minds by observing a post, you could make millions in the world of entertainment. Go Tigers, even if you can't read minds like Bush apologists.
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Good Lord,
Mar 27, 2015, 4:47 PM
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The CIC has accomplished some major during his tenure, but his power of creation (and I don't believe it ever occurred) is indefensible to say the least. The term dummy is simply an outright lie. Go Tigers, and tell the truth about the coots, they scratch in the dirt and they were not created equal to Tigers.
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 12:19 PM
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Bush Never Said “Mission Accomplished”
True. On the other hand, a giant banner behind him said "Mission Accomplished" throughout the duration of his speech.
Still, what if it had been there by mistake? Bush must have been so surprised to see it there. "Whoa, what's that banner doing there?" he likely asked. "We got at least another 10, 20, 30 years on this puppy," he probably said. "Take that down immediately," we can presume he said.
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 12:34 PM
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when the first Walmart opens in Baghdad, our mission will be accomplished.
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They will welcome us as liberators!
Mar 26, 2015, 2:38 PM
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And bringers of rollback prices!
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Re: They will welcome us as liberators!
Mar 27, 2015, 10:31 AM
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And they did... They were glad we were there.
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 26, 2015, 2:41 PM
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also, to the OP.
"Obama and his staff don't understand or respect the military and its ways"
maybe it is YOU that does not understand nor respect our military and its "ways".
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Re: Bergdahl summary:Obama doesn't get military esprit de corps
Mar 28, 2015, 9:31 PM
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The only person that left anyone behind was Bergdahl when he deserted his post. Good soldiers got killed trying to find his worthless deserting hide. Even his own squadmates didn't think the swap was a worthy one. He put himself in the situation he ended up in, and I can't believe we traded high ranking Taliban officials to get him back.
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The only thing that jacka$$ understands is Obama.***
Mar 26, 2015, 5:04 PM
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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The "Mission Accomplished" sign was put up by the Navy. If
Mar 26, 2015, 5:19 PM
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you want to know what Bush said, read his speech.
I know. Liberals had rather echo nonsense than seek the truth.
By the way, that was Bush at the controls when his plane landed on the carrier.
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Re: The "Mission Accomplished" sign was put up by the Navy. If
Mar 26, 2015, 5:42 PM
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You're seriously throwing the Navy under the bus for that one? Like Bush wasn't CIC at the time?
That's great. You're worse than an Obama apologist.
In reality, Bush eventually acknowledged that the banner was a mistake.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Do your homework before you embarrass yourself.***
Mar 26, 2015, 8:49 PM
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Homework on what?
Mar 26, 2015, 9:55 PM
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Or have you already gotten to that point you seem to get to in every thread, where you just make noise because you've out of anything substantive to say?
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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On your previous post. Forgot your meds?***
Mar 27, 2015, 6:07 AM
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You have yet to point out anything wrong in the post.
Mar 27, 2015, 9:38 AM
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Sorry, your tactics need improvement.
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Re: You are correct about the
Mar 27, 2015, 11:13 AM
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An apologist is a supporter.
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Re: You are correct about the
Mar 27, 2015, 11:40 AM
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Maybe I'm a bit of a sophist, I'm definitely a supporter, but I never plead or apologize. This is a much higher calling than that of an Obama basher. He has the Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff deliver military information directly to him. Go Tigers, sophist or not, with a pole or not.
Synonyms for apologist
noun: mediator
apologist
pleader
polemicist
sophist
Source: Thesaurus.com
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Nevertheless,
Mar 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
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I never apologize for the CIC nor lie about him. The best definition is: one who tries to defend Christian teachings. It has a French origin probably related to the apostles who defended Christ. It still would be a better cause than those who post CIC lies. Onward Christian Tigers, smite the coots. Let's not lose any sleep over a trivial difference of opinion.
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Perhaps you just shouldn't have gotten into this subthread.
Mar 27, 2015, 12:25 PM
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No one was talking about you. I didn't say you apologize for Barry.
However, it's always nice to teach someone a new word. Go Tigers.
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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lutz
Mar 27, 2015, 2:01 PM
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Go tigers.
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Absolutely
Mar 27, 2015, 3:14 PM
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You old Cheney apologist (sensu spooneye). Go Tigers, whip the coots with no apologies.
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All-In [34105]
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And no, it comes from the Greek, not French.
Mar 27, 2015, 12:31 PM
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It's connected to apologetics, which etymologically derives from the Classical Greek word apologia. In the Classical Greek legal system, two key technical terms were employed: the prosecution delivered the kategoria (?????????), and the defendant replied with an apologia.To deliver an apologia meant making a formal speech or giving an explanation to reply and rebut the charges, as in the case of Socrates' defense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Perhaps you've heard of Plato's Apology? It wasn't about saying sorry.
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Ooops,
Mar 27, 2015, 2:48 PM
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Go Tigers, I'm your fanatic apologist (sensu spooneye), especially against the coots in November. Best regards, I apologize for Cruz.
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Absolutely. He had the ball.***
Mar 26, 2015, 8:48 PM
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Re: Absolutely. He had the ball.***
Mar 26, 2015, 9:01 PM
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likely he was allowed to touch the stick during flight(or the ball as you like to call it), but certainly not during the landing procedure.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Well, you got that wrong, too.***
Mar 27, 2015, 6:06 AM
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Re: Well, you got that wrong, too.***
Mar 27, 2015, 3:27 PM
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per his own words, he was briefly allowed to fly it once in the air, but never laid claim to landing it. believe what you like though...
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Re: The controls he learned in Alabama when he dodged service
Mar 27, 2015, 3:57 PM
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Not much of a Bush apologist (sensu spooneye) are you? Go Tigers , hit 'em from the air, from the trenches, and from the sea, but hit 'em hard.
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No,
Mar 27, 2015, 8:47 PM
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I'm guessing that it is really joseph. Go Tigers, don't foolishly guess who is who.
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that you Earnest T Bass?***
Mar 28, 2015, 7:20 AM
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Legend [18310]
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I'm sorry
Mar 28, 2015, 10:13 AM
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that senility finally seems to have you in its grasp, I can imagine memory failure is an awful thing. Please, however, try to remember this: Go Tigers.
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Still missing
Mar 28, 2015, 11:29 AM
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your memory, I see. I did wear a vest at my wedding. We used Dr. Crouch, a longtime Tiger Presbyterian to officiate. You have no knowledge of what I have worn since retirement. Yet, you just keep posting babble. Wake up, get help with your problem. You will thank yourself if you do so. Again, please remember: Go Tigers. I'm off to worthwhile things for a while, feel free to join me.
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no no...I'm saying you're a nut like Earnest T Bass***
Mar 28, 2015, 5:29 PM
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Looks like you
Mar 30, 2015, 12:29 PM
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don't know what in #### you are saying. I hope you know that a successful professional TV actor plays the part of all the fictitious characters in Mayberry. Perhaps you should behave more like Aunt Bee. She is sweet and harbors no hate whatsoever. Go Tigers, be mean and hate the enemy team.
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I'm saying you're a nut....nut.***
Mar 30, 2015, 1:47 PM
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Your
Mar 30, 2015, 1:56 PM
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lie hurts you not me. I'm a human. My radical stalker apparent likes you even if your post is a wacky lie from fellow stalker. Go Tigers, do not "lie" down when the opponent comes to play.
Well, bye.
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^^ Nut ^^***
Mar 30, 2015, 2:04 PM
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Glad
Mar 30, 2015, 2:31 PM
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I'm not a stalker or a nut. Go Tigers stalk those coots (actually they are humans, I know the difference).
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110%er [9093]
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He 1st learned about it the same way we did, in the News
Mar 27, 2015, 9:04 AM
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reports
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The CIC gets his news from the
Mar 27, 2015, 11:21 AM
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Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, not from Fox News or Rush. When I was on active duty, we always had a chain of command. Go Tigers, no matter where you get your news.
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The Jacka$$ in Chief doesn't listen to his generals. If he
Mar 27, 2015, 10:12 PM
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did, the Taliban would be on the run in Afghanistan, ISIS would be in Syria, not Iraq, and Iran would not be on the path to sanctioned nuclear weapons. Jacka$$ thinks he's the smartest man in the room. He's got a pen and a phone.
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Re: The Jacka$$ in Chief doesn't listen to his generals. If he
Mar 28, 2015, 7:36 AM
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That does seem to be one major problem for President Obama. He listens only to himself.
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And
Mar 28, 2015, 10:21 AM
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if a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bump his behind when he jumped. Though I do not want to know, I'll ask you anyway, how is your behind. I apologize to the bullfrog, I think he sounds nice. No hate and not profane. Go Tigers, bump a coots behind.
Everybody have a pleasant day. I will.
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It must suck when your man's policies are failures.***
Mar 28, 2015, 12:59 PM
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I like how this thread was about Bergdahl and the trolls
Mar 28, 2015, 1:02 PM
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come through and make it about Bush. Typical Liberal trolls.
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How about
Mar 28, 2015, 1:08 PM
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my woman's policies that are even better? Even the CIC outstrips whatever your dude can manage. He proved it twice. My Tiger man is Dabo, have a go at that. Go Tigers.
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