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Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 14, 2015, 8:49 PM
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From 2014 Charleston City Paper article:
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/ben-tillman-was-a-racist-terrorist-and-murderer-its-time-to-take-down-his-statue/Content?oid=4857402
Here's a little excerpt for y'all...
Ben Tillman's long and bloody public career began in 1876 at what would ultimately be called the Hamburg Massacre.
The then 29-year-old Tillman led the members of the Sweetwater Sabre Club, a.k.a. the Edgefield Redshits, against a local militia group, all black. Several African-American militia men were killed in a pitched battle with red-shirt-wearing white terrorists. After the militia surrendered, five of them were called out by name and executed. A few weeks later, when vigilantes captured a black state senator named Simon Coker, Tillman was present when two of his men executed the prisoner while he was on his knees praying.
Later, the terrorist leader Tillman explained his intentions on that fateful July 8 day: "It had been the settled purpose of the leading white men of Edgefield to seize the first opportunity that the Negroes might offer them to provoke a riot and teach the negroes a lesson; as it was generally believed that nothing but bloodshed and a good deal of it could answer the purpose of redeeming the state from Negro and carpetbag rule." In a 1909 speech at a Red Shirt reunion in Anderson, Tillman reiterated this point, noting that he believed in "terrorizing the Negroes at the first opportunity by letting them provoke trouble and then having the whites demonstrate their superiority by killing as many of them as was justifiable."
He added, "That we have good government now is due entirely to the fact that Red Shirt men of 1876 did all and dared all that was necessary to rescue South Carolina from the rule of the alien, the traitor, and the semi-barbarous negroes."
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what do you expect from a coot hack journalist***
Jan 14, 2015, 8:52 PM
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Did you miss the direct quotes from Tillman himself
Jan 14, 2015, 8:54 PM
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Trust me, there are plenty more where those came from..
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whoosh.***
Jan 14, 2015, 8:57 PM
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 14, 2015, 8:58 PM
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Coot...do you believe everything you read...where are the facts and documents that actually back this up as fact??
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I herd Craig James killed 4 prostitutes while at SMU.***
Jan 14, 2015, 9:02 PM
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It was 5 actually.
Jan 16, 2015, 9:26 PM
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Craig James was allegedly involved in the murder of 5 hookers during his time at SMU.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 14, 2015, 9:01 PM
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I bet the Ferguson cops wish he were still alive.
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he was a racist as many of politicians including to one's
Jan 14, 2015, 9:22 PM
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that went to your college, there ws nothing racist about raising the $ to start the 1st land grant college in SC. Your college was built by slaves, Your famous Horseshoe has marker that praise the owners of the slaves that built it. Your 1st class had it's own personal slave to take care of the horses, This info came from your university web sites. So why don't you want to remove the Horseshoe,Until then clean under your feet before you clean under ours
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Lol who are you talking to, coot?***
Jan 14, 2015, 9:28 PM
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Does calling someone a Coot make you feel better?
Jan 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
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If you are a Clemson Brother and turning on your school because of race,I wish your degree would be revoked like these students protesting should have their ##### thrown out.
-{hD
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Amen!***
Jan 15, 2015, 11:52 PM
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Re: he was a racist as many of politicians including to one's
Jan 15, 2015, 9:50 AM
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I am not too sure who would have legally owned slaves in 1889, but sure, your logic sounds cute I suppose...Clemson did inherit the land from his slave owning father in law John C. Calhoun and did eventually provide the land grant as well as the Fort Hill estate to open Clemson...I am not too sure how slaves built Clemson University when slavery was abolished in 1865...But sure, whatever...
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USUC was founded in 1801 not 1889
Jan 16, 2015, 4:09 AM
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Nobody said a thing about Clemson being built by slaves, it wasn't.
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Re: USUC was founded in 1801 not 1889
Jan 16, 2015, 10:20 AM
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hphallman Connoisseur [351] TigerPulse: 73% Posts: 1521 Followers: 1 Joined: 1/29/12 he was a racist as many of politicians including to one's [6] Posted: Jan 14, 2015 9:22 PM Reply
that went to your college, there ws nothing racist about raising the $ to start the 1st land grant college in SC. Your college was built by slaves, Your famous Horseshoe has marker that praise the owners of the slaves that built it. Your 1st class had it's own personal slave to take care of the horses, This info came from your university web sites. So why don't you want to remove the Horseshoe,Until then clean under your feet before you clean under ours
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Yes, your college as in south carolina not our college as
Jan 16, 2015, 9:13 PM
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in Clemson.
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Ben Tillman: Grand Chancellor of Al Qaeda
Jan 14, 2015, 9:24 PM
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And the Dark Side.
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No, he just murdered a bunch of black folks
Jan 14, 2015, 9:32 PM
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and encouraged others to do the same. While he might have admired Al Qaeda's tactics, I'm sure they would've been a bit too dark-skinned for him to actually join up.
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just say no... We must never cave to pressure
Jan 15, 2015, 10:12 PM
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Eventually, the renaming will occur, but not anytime soon.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 14, 2015, 10:27 PM
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George Washington was a Slave owner and a terrorist. He violated every formal rule of war for that time. By today's standards, he was a terrorist.
What is your point? History reminds us of our past actions; both good and bad. When we forget, we repeat.
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I'm afraid his point is too subtle for idiots to grasp, so
Jan 15, 2015, 8:33 AM
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you're pretty much a lost cause. But way to demonstrate what a patriot you are by comparing George Washington, who assuredly did NOT "violate every rule of war at the time" with a scumbag like Tillman.
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Re: I'm afraid his point is too subtle for idiots to grasp, so
Jan 15, 2015, 7:09 PM
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Geroge Washington indeed violated every formal rule of war of that time.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 11:00 AM
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Yea well that "terrorist" acted out in the name of liberty for this country that you slomber in...You really need to pick up a fckn book and read who the real terrorists were during that time frame, my friend...You paint a portrait of bubble gum smiles and cute fuzzy little animals while the Red Coats are doing cartwheels and painting rainbows...
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And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 3:29 PM
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If you pick up a history book, you will see that SC was a sovereign country until Lincoln's War to Prevent Southern Independence ended and totally subverted the true intent of the Constitution. If George Washington and his generals were patriots, it is impossible for Lee, Jackson, and Tillman to be rebels and terrorists. I guess you forgot about the part of the Declaration of Independence that holds that all people have the right to self-government, a right that is supposedly self-evident.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 3:49 PM
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Tillman was murdering black people "for his country" more than a decade after the Civil War was finished? Interesting take.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 7:13 PM
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He, like 95% of the white people in S.C. at that time, considered the occupied Confederacy to be their country.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 7:35 PM
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The Confederacy ended more than a decade prior to him murdering blacks.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 7:39 PM
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Did you miss the word "occupied"?
Do not take it that I am defending his actions. I am not. I am simply stating that by the standards of his day, he was really not all that different.
Many of your great American heroes murdered my people, the Native Americans. No one seems to be in an uproar about that. My view is You did not kill my ancestors and I did not kill yours. Quit bitchin about the past and live in the present.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 4:01 PM
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You need counseling, my friend. I am assuming your position is that enslaving another human being is acceptable. But yea, killing and lynching the ole big bad black man in order to protect the state of South Carolina is completely normal....GTFO
As if the utter failure of Southern Reconstruction and the constraints of Jim Crow's Laws weren't enough...The need for killing black members of the National Guard of South Carolina was necessary...
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 4:06 PM
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What can you say man? He was a patriot!
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 4:15 PM
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Mind boggling
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 4:16 PM
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And you need to quit judging the 19th century by 21st century standards. I guess you are also opposed to the Continental Army killing British and Hessian soldiers in a totally illegal revolt. The winners of wars write the history books. You are reading the wrong ones. When are you going to protest the name of Washington DC?
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 4:32 PM
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Alright, I am beginning think you are just fckn with people now...
You are right? You really aren't sliding in an argument based on the American Revolutionary War right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banastre_Tarleton
Here, read up on that British b@stard...The character played by Jason Issacs in "The Patriot" are based off of him...
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 4:57 PM
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Yes. And the fact that you can't see that the two historical events are based on the same desire for self-government proves my point. Are you going to tell me that, if you lived in 1876 SC as a white man at your current age, you would have been going around the State demanding that the perpetrators of the Hamlet Massacre been brought to justice? I seriously doubt it.
As far as the Waxhaw Massacre is concerned, you are again reading the wrong books. The winners write the history books, and that event has been skewed to the American's side. Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 7:18 PM
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Why did he do what he did? In response to the tactics of the Colonial army. Cornwallis only allowed (turned a blind eye) to his actions after he became tired of the Colonials violating the rules of war. My theory on war is there are no rules, you fight to win. If one does indeed adhere to the theory of "rules of war" then the Colonials were the initial violators of those rules. Washington was a patriot. By the standards of the day, he was a war criminal guilty of treason.
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Re: And Tillman was doing it for his country.
Jan 15, 2015, 7:12 PM
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That is the way it always is with Liberals. They conveniently pick and choose who they apply what criteria of judgment to.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 7:10 PM
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I have indeed studied U.S. history. George Washing is one of my personal heroes. The point I made is that His actions, though they led to our independence, were war crimes in that time.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 16, 2015, 5:11 PM
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jsebe10® "Yea well that "terrorist" acted out in the name of liberty for this country that you slomber in...You really need to pick up a fckn book and read who the real terrorists were during that time frame, my friend...You paint a portrait of bubble gum smiles and cute fuzzy little animals while the Red Coats are doing cartwheels and painting rainbows... "
Redcoats? Ben Tillman was born 80 years after the revolutionary war. Your the one who needs to pick up a book.
Redneck and Racist....you follow a notable South Carolina tradition.
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2014-1876= 138 years.... Slow news day at the City Paper ???
Jan 15, 2015, 8:20 AM
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Wow
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Re: 2014-1876= 138 years.... Slow news day at the City Paper ???
Jan 15, 2015, 8:59 AM
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It's always a slow news day at the City paper. They must not have had a band or a Po Boy sandwich to write about that day.
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JD- our prisons are full of racists, murderers, terrorists
Jan 15, 2015, 8:36 AM
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today. The sad thing is that the group that makes up 15-20 % of the US population makes up 80% of the prison population. Fix that first, something that affects us all today in this country, then I might listen to an argument about a man that died over 100 years ago and affects nobody today.
You like to talk about 1 man being a terrorist/murdered but look the other way and are ignorant to the thousands and thousands that wreak havoc on our country today. You, Jesse, Al and the rest of you bleeding hearts fix that then you might have some credibility when you cry wolf!!
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Re: JD- our prisons are full of racists, murderers, terrorists
Jan 15, 2015, 9:59 PM
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Everyone should google what Charles Barkley said about the Rev. Al and the Rev. Jackson. It about made me spit my drink in my computer when he heard it. I guess Sir Charles must be a racist since he does not like them.
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Barkley was being a bigot, not a racist...
Jan 15, 2015, 10:03 PM
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Today, racists are rare. We mostly have bigots, not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Re: Barkley was being a bigot, not a racist...
Jan 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
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Barkley was being a sensible person. He was pointing out that Jackson and Sharpton in no way represent him or his beliefs. Sharpton and Jackson are the Bigots.
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good point***
Jan 15, 2015, 10:32 PM
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TMZ report this???***
Jan 15, 2015, 8:42 AM
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We should also burn Charleston to the ground.
Jan 15, 2015, 9:10 AM
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The very heart of slavery in the New World.
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For retribution, the government should pay for all that want
Jan 15, 2015, 9:17 AM
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to return to the "home" country. That's the least they could do since it's so terrible here. Would be a win-win too. Reduce the deficit from those sucking for generations off the government ### while letting those go home from this miserable country they tell us about.
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Re: For retribution, the government should pay for all that want
Jan 15, 2015, 9:25 AM
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Jesus man. Be slightly less racist.
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not racist! Pro freedom sentiments
Jan 15, 2015, 11:48 PM
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Let folks go where they prefer to be... Obviously this country rubs them wrong!
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Re: not racist! Pro freedom sentiments
Jan 16, 2015, 8:48 AM
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Na dude, that post was pretty #### racist. In reference to black people, he suggested if they want to make social changes they should go back to Africa, and went on to say they've been "sucking for generations off the government ###".
Your and his posts are both sad and hilarious because you're totally incapable of seeing the world from another person's perspective. You believe in something and anyone who has a different belief is wrong, and isn't fit for the country.
These people are where they prefer to be. If they didn't want to be here, they wouldn't fight for change. They'd go to the place they preferred. The sad thing is, if this were the 60s, you guys would be saying the same thing about black people who wanted to be able to sit at the front of the bus or drink from the same water fountain as whites.
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just giving the counter arguments... Not agreeing with them
Jan 16, 2015, 8:50 AM
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I am disgusted by anyone that thinks like Tillman did.
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Re: just giving the counter arguments... Not agreeing with them
Jan 16, 2015, 9:14 AM
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Fair enough...I misgauged your post. Apologies for comparing what I believed your mindset to be to that of segregationists.
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I am thankful America has finally evolved past the segregationist
Jan 16, 2015, 9:59 AM
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Neanderthal thinking that had to be endured during that bygone era. I also believe that "racism" is very rare in our society today. Now "bigotry" is alive and well - no doubt about that. But pure racism is pretty much relegated to a very small % in the lunatic fringe category.
We do need to change the name eventually - just not when being forced like this.
I will say, the one thing this has done is it has probably enlightened some of us about our history more. I can definitely say it did that for me.
But we must not be forced into something due to a PR fear. Wait until it is not even in anyone's mind and then change the name with zero fanfare.
I also think we need to use our history as a teaching moment. Embrace it and show how even an evil can co-opted and turned into a positive.
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Re: I am thankful America has finally evolved past the segregationist
Jan 16, 2015, 10:20 AM
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Very well said. And I agree with your notion that we shouldn't be forced into these changes due to PR. If a change is made it should be because we all agree it's not someone worth honoring. I think you and I have similar mindsets, though we may not be in 100% agreement on this particular issue.
Regardless of your feelings, I appreciate the thoughtful post. I wish there was more of this on TigerNet.
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Re: I am thankful America has finally evolved past the segregationist
Jan 16, 2015, 10:33 AM
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I'm mixed. Both sides make good points.
-he was racist -killed blacks [grab a African American history book. Theres a picture of a hanging happening in Abbeville county, like 1904, with dozens of people gathered around watching like it was a comedy movie. -wrote about killing blacks, governing blacks -helped create Clemson University
-Usuck was founded on slaves. Slaves helped build and run it. -some slaves were paid 900$ a year. Nonetheless, we know slaves died under the conditions(malnutrition, bad hygiene)
-dozens of other schools in the country have buildings names after racists.
...so what is the deciding factor in changing Tillman Hall, and not these other buildings.
Was he more racist? Is it because he wrote about his doings.
I think the building doesn't need to be changed.
If you walk into a building and feel any type of way because the man it's named after. You need to work on your anxieties.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 10:43 AM
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I have read all of the posts here and I think some people are really missing the point. This is the iconic building at Clemson. I have to admit when I went there I had no idea who it was named for and really didn't care. I love Clemson. My blood runs orange. I recently found out that my great great great grandfather was a confederate Lieutenant in the Civil War and owned over 50 slaves (I found the pardon he was given after the war citing that he had released all of his slaves). I am not proud of that but that is history. I can't change it but I wouldn't name one of the buildings on my farm after him. And once I found out I would have changed it if I had.
But we have to remember that this is not just a building. It is a building named for someone that was not just misguided but also a leader and murderer. He incited riots so he could kill blacks who were beneath his white supremacy. He felt a black man touching a white woman should be punishable by death. Many of the south felt the same way about the released black slaves of the time. But not many of them acted on it like Tillman did. Hitler lived in a time when many felt that Jews were subhuman. The difference is that he was a leader and a murderer and he acted on his beliefs.
Many say there are more pressing issues that need to be addressed at Clemson and the US than renaming a hall. I disagree. The man was a murderer besides being a racist. His name doesn't belong on the iconic building at our university. Some say that is history and we shouldn't change it. That is not true. The building was renamed in 1946 because Tillman's son didn't want his father to be forgotten. It wasn't built to be Tillman Hall. It was renamed to HONOR one of Clemson's original board of trustees. Before that is was the old hall. Naming it after Tillman does glorify his life. Some people should be forgotten. Buildings/bridges/airports/ect. names are changed all the time. This one should too. Just MHO.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 11:30 PM
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Agreed.
Tillman deserves a building named after him about as much as MLK deserves to have streets named after him in the hood...
Tillman's history is documented and speaks for itself...Jeeeez
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer***
Jan 15, 2014, 12:46 PM
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer***
Jan 15, 2015, 11:20 AM
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Digging up bones
So the man was a racist ,.,. back when the majority of men were ,..,.
Its called history ,., ever school has it ,,. you cant change it ,..,
Focus on the GOOD the man did
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer***
Jan 15, 2015, 12:43 PM
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People keep on pretending his racism was the limit of his folly. What about the fact that he bragged about leading a hate group to kill blacks? That certainly wasn't status quo back then.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 11:58 AM
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Shaking my head at the fact that some people support this racist.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 10:00 PM
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Shaking my head at the fact that you can not seem to grasp a simple concept.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 12:11 PM
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So changing the name of a building makes things right and will make people feel all warm and cozy inside and ultimately change history? Just wondering.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 12:12 PM
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Yes.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 12:33 PM
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Hey there little #### troll.
Another account that has magically become active today.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 12:39 PM
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ben tillman was the same man 50 years ago as he is today. is it just me or just a mere coincidence that this subject has been brought up in the year we beat the snot out of the coots, their coaching staff is in upheaval and their recruiting is a dumpster fire. got to be a mere coincidence. got to love them coots. classy group.
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 12:20 PM
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It is not about changing history. History CAN'T be changed. But does that mean we should celebrate a murderer and racists on our campus. It is a building that stood for 50 years before it was named Tillman Hall. Building names are changed all the time to celebrate someones life who shouldn't be forgotten. He should be forgotten. Can't we come up with someone from Clemson's past better than this?
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Well, said person can't be white because
Jan 15, 2015, 12:29 PM
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white people contribute nothing to society ... well, according to the bigots peddling racism.
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Re: Well, said person can't be white because
Jan 15, 2015, 12:46 PM
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Who's even remotely suggested that?
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Re: Well, said person can't be white because
Jan 15, 2015, 1:11 PM
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Did I say anything about white or black or red or yellow? I said THIS person is not someone that should be celebrated by naming our most iconic building after him.
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Face it, we all know who is instigating these shenanigans.***
Jan 15, 2015, 2:55 PM
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 10:03 PM
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Since we are going back and making everything right. I still want my land back. NATIVE PRIDE. All yall need to get off my land because you are a bunch of oppressive terrorists. Of course, I am not being serious. But if the African Americans can be perpetually offended, I think that we (native Americans) should decide we want to be offended about everything again. Every white founder is an oppressor of our people and should be banished from public mention.
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agree, I am part Native American ...
Jan 15, 2015, 10:15 PM
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Where is my check? Where is my land?
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Re: agree, I am part Native American ...
Jan 15, 2015, 10:40 PM
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We need to get together and march. We could get some signs and act like idiots.
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Act like? I am an idiot! ??.***
Jan 15, 2015, 10:51 PM
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Re: agree, I am part Native American ...
Jan 16, 2015, 5:53 PM
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What the U.S. Govt. did to Native American's is one of the darkest parts of our history. It was nothing short of a holocaust against innocent people. But it's history, right? I disagree, we should respect and honor the memory of those lost to ignorance and hatred.
That's why we should never name a building to honor men like Col.John Milton Chivington who led the massacre at Sand Creek where his soldiers killed up to 150 women, children and infants and mutilating their corpses. They took scalps, body parts and fetuses as trophies.
There should be no "Chivington Hall" or "Tillman Hall". We should honor the memory of the victims of hatred rather than those who committed the acts.
Surely you, of all people, could accept that line of thinking my fried.
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Re: agree, I am part Native American ...
Jan 16, 2015, 5:55 PM
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It should also be noted that neither Tillman nor Chivington were ever prosecuted for their crimes. It was "politically correct" at the time to do so.
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Re: agree, I am part Native American ...
Jan 16, 2015, 9:58 PM
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We name buildings after the U.S. presidents and Senators who are just as responsible for the Indian massacres as the soldiers under their command who pulled the trigger. The Commander In Chief is as guilty as the generals and colonels.
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Jan 15, 2015, 3:56 PM
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 15, 2015, 4:20 PM
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Didn't think politically correct liberal dooshness could get any worse...
Liberal Butthurt Coot Dooshness now tops all....
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still cannot rename based on agitators
Jan 15, 2015, 7:38 PM
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Must never capitulate to terrorist acts.
Wait a 2-3 years and when there is no publicity, rename it. Done.
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I won't argue about what he did
Jan 15, 2015, 10:18 PM
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But he killed carpetbaggers, who were pillaging the carcass of the South. Reconstruction was a terrible idea that did little more than domestic terrorism to Southerners.
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totally agree!
Jan 15, 2015, 11:51 PM
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Reconstruction was a disease. Which is why we are where we are today!
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I got a Brother-in-law in Aiken County
Jan 15, 2015, 11:43 PM
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that can make anyone disappear. Who are you?
-Tesla
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Jan 15, 2015, 11:59 PM
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Re: Ben Tillman was a racist, terrorist, and murderer
Jan 16, 2015, 1:13 AM
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This is so stupid to be worrying about this on a recruiting board. Beside, thats the way it was back then...can't change history, learn from it and do the right thing.
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Oh Pishaw! Just Change the Name and get it over with
Jan 16, 2015, 4:00 AM
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Tillman is long dead. Clemson doesn't need all this type publicity. If we had a building name Hitler Hall the Jews would have burned it down by now haha
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Re: Oh Pishaw! Just Change the Name and get it over with
Jan 16, 2015, 7:13 AM
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and we wonder how obama got elected 2 times. smh
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Mainly because Minorities voted in record numbers
Jan 16, 2015, 8:37 AM
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Obama though didn't turn out to be the prez they thought he would be
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And a democrate***
Jan 16, 2015, 6:17 AM
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I don't care if the liberal fanatics force the building
Jan 16, 2015, 7:14 PM
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to be renamed Heaven Hall, it was Tillman when I went there, and it will always BE Tillman as far as I am concerned.
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I would be really shocked
Jan 16, 2015, 8:14 PM
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if there is a major university campus ANYWHERE in the Southeast that DOES NOT have a building named for someone who had racist tendencies in the 1800's, late 1800's or otherwise. So this is what liberal fanatics in Pickens county are doing these days....smh. They need to get in their VW vans and go all over the south then...because there are probably thousands more. Let's just rename the entire south and erase the history books so no one can find anything to get offended over.
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Maybe they can go to the Horseshoe when they leave Tillman.
Jan 16, 2015, 8:16 PM
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There's LOADS of slave history there.
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Re: I would be really shocked
Jan 16, 2015, 9:08 PM
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It's not just the south. When segregation started there was as much if not more violence in the northern cities fighting it, turning over school buses and such but everyone focuses on the south. Leave the buildings alone. The mans dead learn from history and move on
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Well said.***
Jan 16, 2015, 10:08 PM
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An all around good guy..........Go Tigers!
Jan 16, 2015, 9:11 PM
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Can we move on please?
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