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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 17, 2022, 9:15 PM
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versus qb DJ5.
Watching him play at #17 VT in 2017 and his running style was so similar to qb DW4 and he made some nifty throws too (to HR13).
Kelly Bryant had Clemson ranked #2 that night and #1 going into the CFP semi vs Bama.
Saying, his throwing hesitations vs Bama was the main cause of that loss, but his Waterloo benchmark in losing his job in 2018 was having TL16 in the immediate wings.
I lighted Kelly and thought he was a B+ to A- quality QB and I can certainly understand his feelings when surpassed by a freshman (who was generational) but had not carried the Team for one full year and had them #1 even after being knocked out cold in Pittsburg while being injured & still playing.
Was his being relieved early in season a raw deal? Was his quitting reasonable or short-sided?
You make the call based on you being KB.
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We would have won the acc and been in the playoffs
Jul 17, 2022, 9:48 PM
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Likely as an undefeated team, #2 seed maybe. Wouldnt have had the offense to beat uga a second time or bama probably, but a much better year regardless.
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The difference between KB and DJ
Jul 18, 2022, 12:20 AM
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is that KB never turned the ball over. With the defense we had last year, not turning the ball over would have been enough to take Clemson to the college football playoffs.
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Re: The difference between KB and DJ
Jul 18, 2022, 12:07 PM
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We only turned the ball over 1 time against NC State last year and the turnover didn't result in any NC State points.
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All-TigerNet [13038]
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Georgia was still better than us even if you switch
Jul 18, 2022, 2:49 PM
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KB for DJ. I know we only lost by 7 and all that, but just adding KB (who was also not a great passer) doesn't mean we would've won that game. The last time KB faced a similarly-talented team we lost 24-6.
Now Pitt and NC State are a different matter. I can definitely envision us grinding those games out with KB at QB.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 17, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Couldn't throw the long ball sorry he was at best a back up
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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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Sorry but he could throw the Long ball..
Jul 17, 2022, 10:00 PM
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need to watch some old games as I have (vs VT alone he had 3-4 long balls with HR taking down 2 himself and another into the end-zone).
Yes, he was inconsistent as a long baller, and Yes he liked to run when cornered, rushed or flushed.
The young man played his tail off in 2017 and got disrespected in 2018 when he quit team abruptly which clouded his career with Clemson.
Still, he probably excelled vs his true talent ability as a dual threat QB.
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He needed to throw downfield more versus TL
Jul 17, 2022, 10:04 PM
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That season TL was throwing all over the field. KB either wasn’t trusted by coaches or checked down too often.
I was in Atlanta for GaTech game and told friends he just needs to drop back and check it deep.
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To be a dual threat QB you have to be able to run and throw.
Jul 18, 2022, 10:10 AM
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He could only run, but he was very good at it. Below average as a passer and didn't read or react well to the defense. Happy feet, liked to tuck and run and stopped looking downfield when pressured, poor vision and anticipation.
Moving to TL was the right call. Maybe we play a little better with him last year than we did DJ, maybe we don't. We were very one dimensional on offense both years but KB had the support of a better OL and running game all year.
And I didn't hate KB even if it comes off that way. I'm just trying to give an honest assessment of him as a QB. People can have their own opinions of him leaving the team the way he did. I don't think it's relevant to the conversation of him vs. DJ.
As far a DJ goes, he works hard and is a competitor. I hope it pays off with a big year this year. He has arm talent that KB never had, and if DJ can work on the other aspects and improves his accuracy he could play at the next level. For DJ, I think the better comparison is Tajh Boyd. Size, arm strength, neither was fast but both are respectable runners enough to keep the D honest. DJ just didn't have Watkins, Hopkins, Leggett, Williams, Peake, or Humphries to throw the ball to. Those guys could make plays.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 17, 2022, 9:51 PM
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He quit the team. His loss. Didn’t want to compete. And where did it get him. No where.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 11:19 AM
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Thankful he quit, was a growing cancer and a locker room PROBLEM-
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Would have played Bama in championship game
Jul 17, 2022, 10:02 PM
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We’d beat UGA to start year (who then miss playoffs with 2 loses after losing to Bama in SEC CG).
Beat Michigan in playoffs. Then have a tough game against Bama.
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Re: Would have played Bama in championship game
Jul 18, 2022, 6:31 AM
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post, but we didn’t play Georgia in 2018. The out of conference SEC opponent was Texas A&M.
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Re: Would have played Bama in championship game
Jul 18, 2022, 9:07 AM
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I believe he’s responding to LBB asking if KB2 was the QB last year
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Re: Would have played Bama in championship game
Jul 18, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Correct
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Re: Would have played Bama in championship game
Jul 18, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Yes, likely blown out by Bama which overall would have been preferable to the 10-3 season-
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All-TigerNet [13038]
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Disagree. Last year's team + KB is not a team good
Jul 18, 2022, 2:53 PM
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enough to go 13-0. We would've lost at least one game somewhere.
Especially when you consider all of the injuries on offense and lack of production from the WR group. KB didn't have a great WR corp to work with in 2017, but it was still much, much better than what we fielded most of last season.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 17, 2022, 10:10 PM
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You QUIT on your team I have no respect and he quit so he is a Zero as far as I’m concerned.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 17, 2022, 10:10 PM
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You QUIT on your team I have no respect and he quit so he is a Zero as far as I’m concerned.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 11:33 AM
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In LBB's hypothetical situation he's not asking how we feel about KB's selfish "locker room divider" behavior and his eventual transfer. Many of you irrationally believe Clemson would have been better served had KB remained on the squad. The best thing KB ever did for CLEMSON, unintentionally, was leave. He had the potential to destroy the team from within and cost us the championship season. Thank you KB! for leaving-
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 17, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Bill, I was there at the GT game when he got permanently replaced. He was done at Clemson at that moment. Sad, but true. TL was the (much) better QB, and went on that season to lead us to our 3rd National Championship.
After that, KB quit the team. I don't blame him. But, I don't like him for it. When TL got injured and Chase Brice had to come in in the Syracuse game. And, thank God for Chase Brice. He saved our season and earned that Natty just as much as any other player on the team. But I couldn't get the bad taste out of my mouth when we had to go to our 3rd QB because KB2 quit the team. Again, I don't blame him, but I still to this day don't like him because of it.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 8:02 AM
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Definitely
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Athletic Dir [865]
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We would have won the division if Justyn Ross makes a play
Jul 18, 2022, 9:44 AM
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in OT at NC State
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Hard to disagree. Of course, with DJ's performance and our
Jul 18, 2022, 9:46 AM
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WRs injuries and poor play, I think any half-decent passer with strong scrambling skills would have made a huge difference. Almost certain would be UGA in September and NC State. Pitt? Who knows.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Hell, it's possible Helms could have-10 wins came in spite of the QB play in 2022-
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 12:13 PM
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I'm not going to try and argue that DJU played great last season because he certainly had his struggles. However, I think many people underestimate the impact of all the injuries we had at receiver last year. I'm not sure who Helms or any other QB would've been throwing passes to.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 4:54 PM
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I agree, people or not properly measuring the impact the injuries had on our WR room. We were starting 2 true Freshmen and Will Swinney. Separation was zero, drops were horrendous, wrong routes was way too prevalent, and QB confidence in his WR was Zero. DJ had some mistakes, but not really any more than TLaw or DW had there sophomore seasons. Difference was they had WR who masked those mistakes. DJ did not have this luxury at all!
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As always, you are too kind, lbb.
Jul 18, 2022, 1:37 PM
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Starting DW4 was about Alabama. KB had already shown he could not beat Alabama. I liked him also, but Bama woulda beaten him 10/10 times played.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 18, 2022, 1:43 PM
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We could have won the national championship last year with KB.
We would have beaten GA.
Last year there were no great teams and we were a mediocre to decent QB away from having another national championship.
Hell, we could have run option last year with QB and won a national championship with the defense we had.
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Re: Believe qb KB2 could have won 2-3 more games for Tigers in 2021
Jul 19, 2022, 10:36 AM
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Glad you posted this . KB2 would have won the ACC championship. Hands down. He would have managed the game against Ga and the 10 wins would not be a discussion ?? .
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