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Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 7:03 AM
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So with a resident basketball expert on Tigernet who seems to use “Chinese Danmu “ techniques to deflect from current state of basketball program by focusing on football transition it got me thinking ?
How would you rate from 1-10 the current state of basketball expectations at Clemson current and prior with Purnell, Barnes and Ellis ?
I have : Brownell 3- blah. Won’t get better
Purnell 7- excitement until tournament time
Barnes 8- had the whole university excited about basketball
Ellis 6- consistent and recruited great big men
What Clemson football era would you compare the current basketball era to? It feels like Tommy West last years to me
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i was in school during Barnse so i remember
Dec 10, 2021, 8:03 AM
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those good times
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 8:19 AM
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I think Purnell was a at least a 7.5 if Barnes was an 8. I laugh sometimes when people keep saying he couldn't win a NCAAT game. We are taking just three years. There are Hall of Fame coaches who lost a lot more than 3 1st round NCAAT games in a row. If we we had played an other 12 seed than Vilanova we would have probably advanced to the sweet sixteen that one season. We were ranked those last three seasons, relevant and had a brand style of play. Go look at those seasons when Littlejohn was rocking with top 10 matches vs Wake and Duke and don't say we were not established.
Rick Barnes advanced to one sweet sixteen in three NCAATs and lost in the 1st round the other two seasons. So if we lost to Miami OH in the first round in that one run it would haven taken away would he did here?
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 8:22 AM
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Oh, BTW I would have Brownell as a 5 at the most. Midling is key rating.
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 8:28 AM
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I’d have Ellis higher and Brownell lower. I don’t remember a span this long where nobody even cared because we know we are terrible and it won’t change. No excitement, no prospects, can’t finish. I think Tommy West era would be best comparison in my lifetime. But maybe pre 1970 (just before my time so hard to say). Regardless, it’s a wreck.
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 8:33 AM
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With Brownell games have a preseason feel like nothing matters at all. Rec center basketball with loud music.
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 9:31 AM
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Whoa!! You just nailed it - and brought up memories of church league basketball games in the winter after high school football was over.
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 9:18 AM
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Basketball program comparisons [2]
Dec 10, 2021, 7:03 AM
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So with a resident basketball expert on Tigernet who seems to use “Chinese Danmu “ techniques to deflect from current state of basketball program by focusing on football transition it got me thinking ?
How would you rate from 1-10 the current state of basketball expectations at Clemson current and prior with Purnell, Barnes and Ellis ?
I have : Brownell 3- blah. Won’t get better
Purnell 7- excitement until tournament time
Barnes 8- had the whole university excited about basketball
Ellis 6- consistent and recruited great big men
What Clemson football era would you compare the current basketball era to? It feels like Tommy West last years to me
WELL IF BARNES AND OP COULD HAVE KEPT THEIR ZIPPER ZIPPED THEY MAY HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. AND CLIFF GOY INTO A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH THE NCAA IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. PRETTY IGNORANT TO COMPARE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL.
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It is a young team, and if they learn to finish like they
Dec 10, 2021, 9:24 AM
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start a game, then Tigers could have a surprisingly good season. I did watch them live vs. Temple, who they beat handily, and they were exciting, as most of their starts are...GO TIGERS OR go away BB
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Hope and interest is at a 50-year low.
Dec 10, 2021, 10:30 AM
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Tates Locke was crooked, but he brought the excitement and the hope that Clemson could compete with the big boys in college basketball by bringing in Tree Rollins, Skip Wise, Stan Rome, etc.. Bill Foster was another successful coach who continued that hope and excitement for a few years, as did Cliff Ellis. All had some tremendous players who went on to NBA careers and had stretches where they were blowing the roof off of Littlejohn with excitement. I would say that Barnes took it to an even higher level for a short while, and you always felt like we had a fighting chance with his teams. Then the disaster with Shyatt - he was a great guy, but when it became obvious he had Clemson basketball headed in the wrong direction, the powers that be at that time had the wisdom and the cajones to do the right thing and hire someone else. Purnell definitely breathed new life into the program, and had things rocking for a few years before realizing, I believe, that he had done all he could do at Clemson, and that the University was not committed to doing anything more ... and that's where we are now ... perennial mediocrity with Brownell, No hope. Zero excitement. Nothing to look forward to. A bunch of slightly above average college basketball players who lack any real offensive skills and will never challenge for the conference championship. Deny it, rationalize it, justify it any way you want to, but it's true. Clemson basketball is stagnant, at a relative low point, and it appears that the university is fine with that.
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I would compare it directly to the Tommy Bowden years.
Dec 10, 2021, 10:48 AM
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Win just enough to have hope things will soon be even better. Butt, just like Lucy always yanked the football away from Charlie Brown at the last minute, as soon as you begin to hope that it is finally different this time, PFFFTTT, unexplainable losses grind that hope to dust.
One thing Brownell's team have ALWAYS seemed to lack is a feeling of excitement. Hard to explain, but easy to see. Teams get on a roll, players jumping around on the bench, bodies flying on the court, high fives, fist pumps, players exhorting the crowd. I just don't see that kind of enthusiasm from Brownell's teams, or Brownell himself. Just that nearly undefinable something, missing.
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Re: Basketball program comparisons
Dec 10, 2021, 10:50 AM
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Purnell 7 - I like OP but he was NC State. With great excitement came great disappointment. You remember a few great upsets and then GT lays it up again. NCAA and done.
Barnes 8 - He was a Clemson attitude in basketball personified. The big *f*u* to tobacco road and just wanted chaos and the world to burn. Record was not as good a most people remember but fun as heck. Lets be honest most folks watch barnes more than the basketball team.
Ellis 4 (really three 2s, and a 10 divided by 4) - Feast or Famine. More Famine than feast. Everyone remember the 90 run or 87 but the other years could be unmitigated disasters. I mean how often could you finish last and then finish with a good year.
Brownell is a solid 7. Not great, not bad just 7/10. A "C" but the lowest of Cs. He is kinda like Ellis. Able to make a Sweet 16 run but will then have some down seasons. Rather than being deadlast and losing to Middle Tennessee in the opener, Brownell's down seasons are at least around or better than .500.
Brownell is late-era Howard. Stable, decent but not great.
Purnell was Bowden
Barnes was Pell
Ellis was --- well - Hatfield but better liked. (Good but not great)
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