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May 25, 2022, 8:56 AM

Once baseball players are recruited for college baseball teams, do coaches really make a difference? Ride by any baseball complex in the South on a spring weekend and the parking lots are jammed and the promoters of the tournaments are stuffing their pockets with cash. The point, more kids play baseball than football or basketball and many of them have the same skills as hundreds of other kids. How kids develop depends more on God given talent than what coaches can do.

Challenge for you is to pull up the Top 25 Poll of baseball teams and see how many coaches you can name. No, I am not a big baseball fan overall, especially college baseball because it is a minor sport. Is having a good, winning record and providing a good college experience enough for a baseball coach? Maybe, maybe not but I agree it may be time for a change at Clemson. If we change coaches don't expect a huge difference because the baseball parking are jammed all over the South, all the players look the same and you won't know the new coach.

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May 25, 2022, 9:02 AM

l teams, do coaches really make a difference?

Once basketball players are recruited for college basketball teams, do coaches really make a difference?


Once soccer players are recruited for college soccer teams, do coaches really make a difference?

Once softball players are recruited for college softball teams, do coaches really make a difference?

Once tennis players are recruited for college tennis teams, do coaches really make a difference?

not going to post track because we know it makes a difference. Clemson tried to fire some track coaches and couldn't.

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May 25, 2022, 9:19 AM

Baseball coaches do make a big difference ie swinging for fence with two strikes small ball

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May 25, 2022, 10:03 AM

This is not the correct response.

This is like saying some offensive coordinators like to throw long touchdown passes and some like to gain exactly 3.5 yards per play.

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May 25, 2022, 1:37 PM

Lol. Not even close to the same thing.

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May 25, 2022, 10:01 AM

TLDR version: It depends.

Long version: The answer to your question is yes and no, but it depends on which players the coaches are bringing in to the roster.

To use a football example that more people are likely familiar with:

The football players coming out of IMG Academy have already been trained at the best possible facilities with plans that are formed individually for them in terms of development as well as nutrition and strength training.

When those players arrive to college, they are likely very close to reaching their peak performance in relation to skills and strength development. College coaches can give them some mental training, which has also been finely tuned at IMG because they have great coaches too, and they can be placed in a scheme that may elevate their performance to some extent. However for the most part, the football players from IMG are what they are going to be when they arrive on a college campus. Coaching matters much less to them than it may for others.


On the other hand, there are schools across the country in small towns, with rundown facilities, with position coaches who teach English and never played football in high school, with no strength program except for a couple of bench press benches and 1 squat rack, and no plan for development of their athletes.

Kids that come from those school rely EXTREMELY heavily on their college coaches to essentially be their college and high school coach rolled into one because they are so far behind mentally and they are nowhere near their physical peak. Those kids have tons of room to grown and it is largely dependent upon which college they choose and who their coach is as to whether or not they will reach that potential.


Baseball is the same way, just like every other sport.

Sure the widespread travel/AAU programs give thousands of kids a chance to play extra games every year, but just like with high schools there are travel programs that provide nothing for their players other than those extra games to play.

There are also some of those programs that do a great job of preparing kids for the next level and as you suggested, those players are likely very close to their potential and who their college coach is probably matters very little.

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May 25, 2022, 11:47 AM

Look at the Baseball Polls and you will see that unlikely schools, if you consider other sports, are on the list. My point is there are so many baseball clones across the country that you could not recognize players. This is not true in football and basketball that require certain body types and most certainly talent levels. Just to mention a few, Dallas Baptist, Vandy, Maryland, Stanford, Georgia Southern and Wake are Top 25 in baseball so would you guess that from their success in football and basketball. Because of the lure of the dream of MLB, it is very hard to sustain success in baseball.

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May 25, 2022, 12:42 PM

I agree that the ability to leave for professional baseball after signing with a college makes it much tougher for coaches to manage rosters from year to year.

Baseball players may look like clones to casual fans, but it is certainly not that way for the coaches who are evaluating the talent. I have been fortunate enough to be around several college baseball coaches while they are watching games and scouting for possible recruits and the things that they can see to distinguish one player from another would amaze almost any baseball fan who got to witness it. It's what they do for a living, and there are plenty of coaches trying to get into college coaching who want to take their spots, so if they are still working in the field then they have a great skill when it comes to separating the players who can play.

Using your examples, Dallas Baptist and Vandy have baseball as the focal sport of their university so it is no surprise that those schools have success. They invest in the sport heavily and get rewarded for it.

Maryland is good right now because they do care somewhat about baseball and get the luxury of playing in a conference where that can only be said about maybe 3 or 4 teams. They also hired a really good coach in a conference that doesn't care about baseball, so they are offering something in their region that makes them a unique option. Maryland and UConn are the only schools in the northeast that are good at baseball. That gives them a huge pool from which to choose players who want to stay close to home.

Stanford has historically been good at baseball. They are on an upturn, but they were worse a few years ago than Clemson is now. I hear very little about west coast teams, so I don't know the reason that they have been able to recover to have this good season. With the money at Stanford and the fact that they have been a historically good program, I don't think it's a wild notion to think that they have maybe started to invest in some baseball NIL to draw some players. That is pure speculation on my part though.

Georgia Southern always has a pretty good baseball program. Atlanta and the surrounding areas are a monster zone for baseball talent, so any team in Georgia that can offer in-state tuition to baseball players should be able to put a really product on the field. In saying that, just because they are having a top 25 season doesn't mean they are a top 25 program.

Sometimes teams have one good year and pop up into the top 25 as it seems GA Southern has done this season, and sometimes teams have an uncharacteristically terrible year and fall from the ranks as Mississippi State has done this season.

Wake is decent in baseball. They finished a couple of games higher than Clemson this season in conference play and a few games better in overall record. Clemson also beat them in a head-to-head series. I think Wake is more of an example of how fine of a line there is between Clemson and ranked programs this season. Take away the handful of games where Clemson scored 6+ runs and lost because of pitching collapse and Clemson is ranked also and solidly in a regional.

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May 25, 2022, 1:31 PM

Baseball has the largest evaluation, recruitment, and development system of any organized sport in America. With that, it’s still not enough to generate enough players to have MLB be particularly competitive from top to bottom. There are huge differences in these players who all look the same to you. Each level of miLB is very different in performance. When I started watching college baseball, most teams were sub-single A in talent. That has changed dramatically in the last 30 years. All the teams you mention have to good to great history in baseball other than Maryland, who have particular reason for their recent success. And, yes, the coach absolutely matters.

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May 25, 2022, 1:16 PM

Was Tiger Woods born a great golfer or was he developed? Natural talent is extremely rare to the point of being non-existent. Every single player in every single sport is developed.. period. I will forever disagree with the "natural talent" myth. Some players have natural body types that lend them to particular sports but that does not in any way contribute to their success on the field... ever. Coaching trumps talent every time, which is how Dabo was able to take mostly three star players and win big time bowl games and eventually a National Championship. Kids are not born with 5 star ratings. They earn those through attendance to schools that focus on their development. To say that some people are just naturally better is defeatist and plays perfectly into the victim mentality of modern culture.

As far as baseball is concerned the talent for Clemson's baseball team is there. Monte has consistently had top 20 recruiting classes and yet the problems have gotten worse. So is the talent or development the problem?

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May 25, 2022, 1:34 PM

The idea of being a "natural talent" is not a myth, but I do agree that due to the current state of high school athletics that a player's natural talent means very little in terms of what they will be as a college athlete.

Players who attempt to rely on that natural talent alone can't last currently because there have been such great strides in the development of high school athletes.

However "natural talent" is a way of rephrasing that an individual has genetic gifts. This isn't simply reserved for a certain body type.

In every kindergarten class across the country there are some children who are faster than others with the same body-type. There are children who throw and catch things better than other children who are the same size. There are children who are more aware of their surroundings than the children around them.

I could go on and on with various attributes, but these are just a few examples of speed, coordination and awareness that some children natural have that can be grown and developed as they get older and attempt to specialize these traits toward sports.

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May 25, 2022, 4:37 PM

The natural attributes you list (speed, coordination, awareness) mean nothing on their own unless they are developed and applied to succeeding at a particular sport. Plenty of WRs are faster, taller, and more agile than Hunter Renfrow, and yet he succeeds. So do you chalk that up to "natural" or "developed" ability? All this to say there is no natural short coming or advantage that is so great that it will trump good coaching/ development. There are a ton of pitchers that throw remarkably slow but because of location can strike out batters with relative ease. For example all the knuckleball pitchers. Physical attributes do not equal talent.

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May 25, 2022, 1:38 PM

I know when you have bases load and a veteran like Corbitt with double digit homers coming up and you pinch hit for a freshman who is batting in the .100’s something isn’t right.

Maybe he wasn’t happy with the error by Corbitt in LF, but he is the one who makes the lineup and if you take a 2B and throw him in LF don’t be surprised if he doesn’t play perfect OF.

Then the freshman LF goes out there and makes an error too!

Examples like this exhibit why he is an offense over everything coach. Pitching and defense should always, ALWAYS, take precedent over offense.

Maybe we overcorrected when we were upset that JL teams were not hitting enough long balls. Went down drastically after Corbin left.

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May 25, 2022, 1:44 PM

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I know when you have bases load and a veteran like Corbitt with double digit homers coming up and you pinch hit for a freshman who is batting in the .100’s something isn’t right.

Maybe he wasn’t happy with the error by Corbitt in LF, but he is the one who makes the lineup and if you take a 2B and throw him in LF don’t be surprised if he doesn’t play perfect OF.

Then the freshman LF goes out there and makes an error too!

Examples like this exhibit why he is an offense over everything coach. Pitching and defense should always, ALWAYS, take precedent over offense.

Maybe we overcorrected when we were upset that JL teams were not hitting enough long balls. Went down drastically after Corbin left.

GUESS YOU IDIOTS MISSED THE PART THAT CORBITT GOT HURT ON THE PLAY HE DID MAKE. MINOR DETAIL I KNOW.

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May 25, 2022, 1:36 PM

Good grief

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