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All-In [30593]
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Thoughts on this? This guy is pretty succesfull...
Sep 23, 2014, 8:49 AM
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Gus Malzahn's thoughts on short yardage when you are gun-oriented...
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The next time Auburn faces fourth-and-short at a crucial point of a game game, don't be surprised if Gus Malzahn pulls a Clemson.
Armchair quarterbacks set Twitter ablaze when Clemson lined up in the Shotgun formation on fourth-and-1 in overtime against Florida State Saturday. The Tigers did not pick up the first down on a run play, which started six yards behind the line of scrimmage and ended its first and only possession in overtime. The Seminoles took over and scored the game-winning touchdown two plays later, ending the Tigers' upset bid against the No. 1 team in the country.
The most common criticism at the time: Why distance yourself further from the line of scrimmage when all you need is two feet for a first down?
Well, if Auburn was presented the same situation, Malzahn would likely line go into the Shotgun formation, too.
"I feel like we've got a good plan," Malzahn said Monday during his appearance on his radio show. "Now, we're a Shotgun-oriented offense and of course we led college football in rushing last year and I don't think (we had) maybe four or five snaps under center, so I'm not in that train of thought that thinks you have to get under center to get a yard. I really think you can do it from the Shotgun. That's just been our philosophy. It's just about executing, so I know that when people don't get it, when it's this far, you hear the commentators and all that. They talk about why couldn't they get under center? But I just don't have that same philosophy."
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clearly his success is all luck***
Sep 23, 2014, 8:51 AM
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As the old saying goes....
Sep 23, 2014, 8:59 AM
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"you dance with the one what brung you."
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Surely Auburn nation wants him fired.***
Sep 23, 2014, 9:02 AM
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What a knucklehead. Evidently, he didn't read the Bible of
Sep 23, 2014, 9:06 AM
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of football truths. We need to send him some posts from Tigerboard and show him that there is only one way to handle those situations.
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Oculus Spirit [93610]
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So,
Sep 23, 2014, 9:09 AM
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you've been out whoring around on other Clemson websites too, huh?
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He couldn't
Sep 23, 2014, 9:10 AM
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beat Florida State either. Rabble Rabble Rabble.
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that's it.... that's all you got?
Sep 23, 2014, 9:14 AM
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so the opinion of the guy who's offense leads the nation in rushing... and pretty much is the innovator of what we do doesn't mean anything?
I mean... I know everyone on here are the experts and all, but why would you discount what Malzahn says...
cause you know better or cause your resume is better?
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Re: that's it.... that's all you got?
Sep 23, 2014, 10:12 AM
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That was my failed attempt at a joke, trying to beat the haters to the punch. Hence the rabble rabble rabble.
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Perhaps the Under Center Absolutists could explain how this
Sep 23, 2014, 9:15 AM
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is totally different and should have no bearing whatsoever on what Morris did Saturday night.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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ok here's my thought: this guy (and our coaches) have
Sep 23, 2014, 9:17 AM
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forgotten more football than I'll ever know but when you get under center, don't you take most of the defense out of the picture as it pertains to making the play. When the QB sneak is run (when the line of scrimmage is 6" from the goal line) there are only 2 or 3 guys that are going to be in position to make the play and (in my opinion) increases your odds of scoring.
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I would argue that you bring more defenders into the play...
Sep 23, 2014, 9:21 AM
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you allow the LBs to sit right on top of the DL, and depending on formation, you bring the corners and safety into the box...
I hear what you're saying, but I think the issue here is that "this is who we are and what we do". Under Morris, we have picked up many, many 4th and 1's in the gun. We have scored many, many times inside 1 out of the gun.
I get that what happened lends credence to questioning it... but our history says we convert that.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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yes I understand your point but when your center/guards
Sep 23, 2014, 9:24 AM
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drive off the ball and you stick your head up there rear and all drive, 6" isn't much
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their***
Sep 23, 2014, 9:25 AM
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I don't think we can get enough push, or leverage...
Sep 23, 2014, 9:29 AM
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I also think you run the risk of a turnover by trying to extend the ball there
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6" no need to extend the ball, we just have to agree to
Sep 23, 2014, 9:31 AM
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disagree but that is ok when intelligent people state their opinion with a valid point it is ok to have a difference of opinion. I think we could've done it and I would've given them a chance to.
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yep***
Sep 23, 2014, 9:32 AM
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Agree. When your offensive line is out talented by the
Sep 23, 2014, 9:39 AM
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opponent's defensive line, you can't just line up and blow them off the ball consistently. We aren't Alabama(not sure Alabama is any more). Malzahn's/Morris's offense is designed to compensate for that and take some pressure off your linemen. If you line up every time under center and sneak it, you eliminate one of your offense's biggest advantages.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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but on 2nd down, can't we try something a little different
Sep 23, 2014, 11:57 AM
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maybe catch em off guard. just my opinion. 6"
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Gus has been successful, Chad has been successful
Sep 23, 2014, 9:37 AM
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Tom Osborne was also pretty successful. I don't envision Osborne using a shotgun on first and goal from the 1 yard line. But Osborne's offense wasn't best suited for a 2 minute drill either.
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yea... hard to compare era's...
Sep 23, 2014, 9:39 AM
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I still contend it was a freak thing, and % say we convert that a very high majority of the time, doing what we do.
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maybe we should go recruit one of these
Sep 23, 2014, 9:38 AM
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a true, fulltime fb/hb that's sole purpose is to block?
it seems gus knows how to run the ball from the spread, maybe a former georgia db with an adequate arm at qb?
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oh.... I completely agree with you there...
Sep 23, 2014, 9:40 AM
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I am amazed at how efficient AU is given who they have at QB... but it doesn't surprise me knowing Gus.
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i'm not surprised that a coach that is determined to run it
Sep 23, 2014, 9:42 AM
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will find a way, i'm surprised anyone would pay an OC $1.4 million to go to nevada and still have NO answer in year 4.
too much style, too many moving parts; 7 and 17.
and marshall is called... wait for it, coaching.
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no doubt about it... I like Chad.. but
Sep 23, 2014, 9:47 AM
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I've said for a long time that Malzahan was one of the top 2-3 offensive coaches in the country...
he can flat out coach
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then don't give me gus' philosophy on the goal line when his
Sep 23, 2014, 9:51 AM
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principles and methods match, yet in year 4 of the smash mouth spread we're still paying for mouth.
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my point is being in the gun there...
Sep 23, 2014, 9:52 AM
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simply b/c that's who we are, whether successful or not. I don't think people should be surprised to see us in the gun, whether or not we convert.
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If we had anywhere near the talent on the offensive line
Sep 23, 2014, 10:02 AM
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that Auburn has, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Even Auburn, with one of the most talented offensive lines in college football, would still line up in the shotgun in that situation. There is nothing inherently wrong with doing it.
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i know what your point was, but i'm a bit tired of hearing
Sep 23, 2014, 10:11 AM
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what gus would do or what someone else with an answer to the systemic failure would do.
i want to hear it from the sob that's getting paid $1.4 million; i want to know what that guy's going to do.
i haven't said a word about the shotgun. i know that's what we're going to get, love it or not, as long as thechad is in town.
the problems that go with it need to be corrected.
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Re: i know what your point was, but i'm a bit tired of hearing
Sep 23, 2014, 10:25 AM
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I think Chad Morris has made it clear that Clemson has been successful running from the gun in short yardage.
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7 for 17 in the red zone; he can hang his hat on that too.
Sep 23, 2014, 10:36 AM
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he used tajh, 6' 230lb bowling ball for a qb, which from our senior leader of the rbs was considered spit in the face.
7 for 17, that's what dreams are made of...
fix it.
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Take a number
Sep 23, 2014, 9:54 AM
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and no cutting in line!
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you've got plenty of it after 0-8; you should be set.***
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Re: no doubt about it... I like Chad.. but
Sep 23, 2014, 9:54 AM
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I have one thought for this discussion. WE GOT BEAT IN OVERTIME, WHEN WE COULD NOT MAKE 1 YARD. BEST WAY OR NOT, WE DID NOT WIN! if it works it is the best play and if it does not work, you are open for being questioned as a coach. that is why you are paid 1.4 million a year. get the one yard. WE DO NOT CARE HOW YOU GET THE 1 ONE YARD, just get IT !!!!!
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another thing I've noticed... and I can't put my finger
Sep 23, 2014, 9:50 AM
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on it...
but I think Morris has taken too much stuff from other places to try and build his package. I think he's trying to cater so much to our skill guys outside, which are obviously very talented, that we've lost that "run right at you" mentality he wants.
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i like the man, i'd play for him, but fix it. there's not a
Sep 23, 2014, 9:56 AM
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coach, former player on the sidelines, in the booth or other that won't say you have to score touchdowns[not fgs] to beat the fswhos and apparently now scars too.
7 for 17; that's abysmal.
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agree***
Sep 23, 2014, 10:01 AM
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awesome and 0-2 with 31 total points vs the most important
Sep 23, 2014, 10:50 AM
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opponents on clemson's schedule.
boy, i feel all warm and fuzzy now about laying 100 on cuse.
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Re: awesome and 0-2 with 31 total points vs the most important
Sep 23, 2014, 11:01 AM
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I have issues with the offensive coordinator as well. I just don't think the short yardage or red zone play calling are the major concerns.
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it's problematic of spread offenses and one of the reasons
Sep 23, 2014, 11:08 AM
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chad likes to take shots inside/< the opponent's "fiddy/fordy".
as the field shrinks so does the space spread offenses rely on to make the magic happen. i'll admit it forever that i hate spreads; i'll never say differently. they were designed by coaches that admitted they could not beat opponents physically at the point of attack so they spread the oline splits, spread the skill players and tried to take advantage of the space created through scheme. when you get a spread team in the red zone, they are out of their comfort zone and it showed horrifically saturday night.
it's the very reason for sammy's wr option pass[imo] because the field was shrinking.
coaches aren't stupid, they know the shortcomings. saturday night was abysmal. 7 for 17 is atrocious.
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There you go
Sep 23, 2014, 11:17 AM
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I am more on board with this line of thought, not quite as down on the spread in general though.
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i understand, i do like what malzahn does with his, but he's
Sep 23, 2014, 11:20 AM
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the exception for now, not the rule.
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Everything's cyclical. Eventually offenses will swing back
Sep 23, 2014, 11:28 AM
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to the more traditional power type/pro offense.
As defenses get smaller and quicker trying to combat the smaller/quicker athletes utilized in the spread offense, more offenses will start pounding it more up the middle to take advantage of smaller LB's
How long this cycle will last, I do not have the answer for.
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idk, fswho doesn't use it, neither does the father of the
Sep 23, 2014, 11:35 AM
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fun and gun.
maybe they're onto something cause they keep tappin dat spread #### clemson runs out.
anyway, i get the idea of the spread, i hate its inherent weaknesses and here we are in the middle of discussing it.
i think dabo is what college football should be about, unfortunately "he's" too few and far between. i hope he grows up quickly, he seems to be, but jimbo said it best, "his team knows how to win those games" and that's what it's going to take to win acc titles, beat our instate rival and then make the playoffs.
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Re: i understand, i do like what malzahn does with his, but he's
Sep 23, 2014, 11:31 AM
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Auburn is much more physical and run oriented. My biggest issue with Chad Morris has always been that he can't seem to adapt or make adjustments. I would love to hear Chad Morris speak candidly about how much of that is his philosophy as opposed to personnel differences. How much different would Clemson's offense look if we had Florida State or Auburn's offensive line?
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i think we had part of that answer when darryl smith saw so
Sep 23, 2014, 11:49 AM
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little time in thechad's system. it's one of the biggest reasons i think chad is full of it. smith was every bit the hammer prosch was and significantly underplayed comparatively.
malzahn committed to something, took the players he had including a defensive back off the scrapheap from uga and turned him into an all sec qb running the football.
i loved when they put desteph in the fb/hb role before his injury. he was blowing crap up. i've seen fleming in that role a couple times. maybe he's the future there?
yorkie touched on it, it seems chad has too much going on sometimes and not enough KISS.
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did anybody ask Gus' wife her opinion on shotgun***
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I don't have a problem with shotgun, but just a rb off tackl
Sep 23, 2014, 10:25 AM
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when your OL is not kicking tail doesn't give you the best chance to get it.
With a good running qb, you need to stress the edge and make them tackle in space. An option play is always the hardest to stop on short yardage, IMO from watching FB for 30 years.
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We don't have the OL that Auburn does.***
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