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Depending on how much it is
Nov 12, 2014, 7:14 PM
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It may make sense. However, just charge the students that actually go to the games instead of the whole populace.
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Re: It won't matter, it will increase every year.***
Nov 12, 2014, 7:16 PM
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If there were a way to cap it would you be for it?***
Nov 12, 2014, 7:17 PM
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Re: No, Clemson was not created for athletics.***
Nov 12, 2014, 7:20 PM
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Re: Athletic Fees Proposed.
Nov 12, 2014, 7:24 PM
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I completely agree, most of all hiring Don Munson was a joke!
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Care to state your position on why?
Nov 12, 2014, 7:37 PM
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This doesn't seem like a big deal at all to me...and other than it being DRad's idea and you obviously disliking the hire, you didn't say much else.
Clemson may not have been made for athletics, but it is core to our institutions culture. This seems like an idea for the future to stay competitive and DRad was quoted saying "we don't need it right now."
So other than not liking DRad and apparently not liking forward thinking or change, why are you so against It?
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I'm against it because it takes money out of the working...
Nov 12, 2014, 7:46 PM
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student's pockets. Some of the kids work at nights and weekends to make a go of it. You're moving education away from the working class.
Make those who want to go to games buy a ticket or give the kids an option to not pay the fee if they don't want to or can't afford to attend games.
I don't care what the rest of the conference does, we're not broke and we can do without all this chit.
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Re: I'm against it because it takes money out of the working...
Nov 12, 2014, 7:52 PM
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All understandable and valid points...coming from a guy who worked his way through just as you speak of.
The ideas of buying tickets or making it optional, or similar conditions, are good.
But, I donated to IPTAY as a student, so I obviously am in full support of supporting the Athletics programs.
DRad seemed up front about the issue stating it wasn't necessary and also that the money would have to be spent on certain things. Also, I guess I just see tuition going up every year anyway...and $350 is a blip on the radar relatively speaking, so why not if it comes to a point where it helps our competitive edge in the ever growing arms race that is college athletics...
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If you donated money to IPTAY as a student then...
Nov 12, 2014, 7:56 PM
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you have no idea what I went through as a student.
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Re: If you donated money to IPTAY as a student then...
Nov 12, 2014, 8:02 PM
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1) Don't go judging what you don't know...I worked my ### off while I was a student.
2) I don't know if it was available when you attended...this is what I meant when I said I donated ti IPTAY as a student:
http://people.clemson.edu/~iptaycc/join.htm
$30/year and the card got me discounts at tons of local places. It wasn't like I was a Heisman level donor or anything...
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Re: Care to state your position on why?
Nov 12, 2014, 7:50 PM
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My niece is deciding where she will attend College and I am impressed with Clemson's fees per semester. With us being a top 20 public Institution I feel we are a bargain so, an additional fee won't be a burden on the student body. Athletics at Clemson are a huge part of the total Clemson experience. Just my opinion.
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Then you can pay someone else's fee too, right?***
Nov 12, 2014, 7:57 PM
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Re: Then you can pay someone else's fee too, right?***
Nov 12, 2014, 8:11 PM
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Why, because he has a different financial outlook than you?
I could wind up being wrong...but I'll bet th folks who have already graduated, not the students attending, will be the majority of people speaking out on this. Just doesn't make sense to me I guess...because they aren't ever going to have to deal with the fee...
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Re: To show his sincerity, he might decline any raise for
Nov 12, 2014, 8:32 PM
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the next few years. This guy will cost Clemson in many areas before he is gone.
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That remains to be seen...
Nov 12, 2014, 8:35 PM
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but FYI, I'm not sold on him either. The verdict is still out for me.
But I don't understand the anger at this idea...and you still haven't stated your position on why you have it.
Instead, you just bashed DRad some more. So, really...yeah, you did state your position indirectly. You confirmed to me that you don't like the idea simply out of your disdain for DRad.
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Re: You are right, I do not like him and will not deny it.***
Nov 12, 2014, 8:44 PM
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That's fine...dislike him all you want. But, do you like:
Nov 12, 2014, 8:48 PM
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The upgrades to DV?
The coming oculus?
A badly needed renovation to Littlejohn?
A badly needed add on to DKS?
We could go on here...I would suggest separating your disdain for him from solid ideas that are designed to move Clemson Athletics forward.
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Re: There are a lot of things that I like but I live within
Nov 12, 2014, 9:33 PM
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means.
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Re: Then you can pay someone else's fee too, right?***
Nov 12, 2014, 9:24 PM
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I understand your feelings on this subject, I worked as a waiter and a clothing store clerk during my time at Clemson, so I understand how difficult it is to struggle as a student. Reading the story again, it stated that all current students both graduate and undergraduates would not be affected. With that being the plan, the incoming classes would have this fee added to their overall fees per year. That gives the incoming students the opportunity to budget this fee in. When I was a student, we did pay and activities fee of $75.00/ semester for all athletics and cultural events on campus. And that was 25 years ago. As far as IPTAY, they are very financially supportive of the University and that support is vital in all aspects of student life. I truly didn't mean to sound as if I don't care about the working student because I was certainly one during my time at Clemson.
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Re: Care to state your position on why?
Nov 12, 2014, 8:13 PM
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He considers students an "untapped source of revenue?" Most students today graduate in HUGE debt from our university just to attend the highest priced public school in the state, and you want to make money from us by putting us in more debt? I am baffled that my university might just consider me an "untapped source of revenue" rather than an investment. If you want to continue being a top 20 school, this is not the way.
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At most charge for the tickets
Nov 12, 2014, 8:20 PM
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Those that cannot afford attending sporting events or choose not to attend are not hit with a fee and those that do enjoy the games can pay a for attending.
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Re: At most charge for the tickets
Nov 12, 2014, 8:23 PM
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Cost of season tickets to > $350. Like...a lot more.
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*to all Clemson Sports***
Nov 12, 2014, 8:23 PM
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As much as we all love football
Nov 12, 2014, 8:29 PM
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Clemson is NOT just football. It is a school with a duty to provide education first and foremost.
Student tickets should certainly be cheaper than regular admission. Alumni like myself with real world jobs are prepared (or should be) to pay higher price for tickets. Donations from boosters as well.
I mean what is IPTAY around for anyway.
I think its a really bad decision to put football on the backs of all students when it is not an interest for all students.
I might consider it if the fee is similar only to other student fees for activities not all students participate in.
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It's not just football...
Nov 12, 2014, 8:39 PM
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also...Basketball (mens & womens), Baseball and Soccer.
Clemson is an institution of higher learning...but that's not all it is. And you're lying to yourself if you try to use that "first and foremost" argument.
Sports is a part of Clemson...a BIG part. I remember people complaining because we weren't keeping pace with others in areas. And now, that we're seemingly fully committed to raising and spending that money to keep pace...people are...big surprise coming here...complaining. SHOCKER.
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Reality: Sports = Football and one or two others
Nov 12, 2014, 8:54 PM
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I was a varsity swimming in under graduate school (James Madison University) before attending Clemson for Graduate School.
Both JMU and Clemson picked football over having well rounded sports by killing their men's swimming programs (and others) to come into Title 9 compliance. So much for well rounded student life.
So go ahead and rip on me for calling BS on your "All Sports" argument, but the fact is Clemson and all of the other "Universities" that put football first are just going to end up as professional sports farm teams for the NFL.
So be it, I've come to terms with this and love to watch Clemson football despite this. I am not foolish enough to see that NCAA football is really already lost on a downward slope into semi-professional status.
At the end of the day, it's not the job of a student who doesn't give a rats ### about football to pay for our obsession.
I guess students who don't want football as THE focus of the University can attend somewhere else.
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And now you've shown your motive for disliking this...
Nov 12, 2014, 9:00 PM
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you're a swimmer...and are mad that it got 86'ed.
For the record, I didn't like them cutting swimming either. And I'd love for us to have a wrestling and softball program.
But, you're letting your personal feelings get in the way of this argument. Just like Peanut is as well.
This is not a bad idea...but I at least feel better now understanding people's position, even if it's not logical.
Peanut = bitter at DRAD
CT88 = bitter about having to work through college
edoesch = bitter about swimming program getting canceled
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Re: And now you've shown your motive for disliking this...
Nov 12, 2014, 9:19 PM
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Don't know why you got off on such a bad foot with me. Neither of us want the fees. Perhaps I wasn't clear.
I am just arguing that revenue through tickets would be a preferable compromise to general fees for all.
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Re: And now you've shown your motive for disliking this...
Nov 12, 2014, 9:25 PM
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We're not off on a bad foot at all man.
But I don't see any problem with the fees, and don't think it's a bad idea. So I was just debating to figure out what everyone's issue was.
At the end of the day, I found it was related to other issues that people seem to have a personal stake in (Except for peanut, he just really dislikes DRad...lol).
Don't take it personal. Just debating and talking, that's all. Have a good night man.
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Re: I will be that the idiot is a democrat too.***
Nov 12, 2014, 9:44 PM
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Re: These students will be your future contributors. Don't
Nov 12, 2014, 9:35 PM
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cut of your nose to spite your face.
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Re: Athletic Fees Proposed.
Nov 12, 2014, 8:21 PM
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am I crazy? Cause I distinctly remember paying something like $125 per semester in athletic fees when I attended Clemson.
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wasn't that what the activities card was
Nov 12, 2014, 8:23 PM
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got you into everything
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Re: Athletic Fees Proposed.
Nov 12, 2014, 8:36 PM
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Old guy here - from 76-80 we had activities cards - guaranteed admission to games. It would be interesting to see the Athletic Dept. Budget - revenue sources and expenses. I bet there is a lot of ways to do things smarter and more efficient and reduce a lot of waste.
DRAD needs to come up with a plan to sell the unsold seats we see empty each week in the upper deck corners first before taking the easy way out on the backs of students and their families. Also schedule opponents that people want to see besides SC State, GA. State, etc.
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Re: Athletic Fees Proposed.
Nov 12, 2014, 8:45 PM
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i was there starting in 2000. we had to get tickets for football and maybe basketball. everything else you'd just show your student id.
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it's $350 a semester. Doesn't bother me at all. We have to
Nov 12, 2014, 8:29 PM
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get ahead of the game because paying athletes is about to get real. We don't have the alumni base that a ton of these other schools have so we have to find another way to supplement the money to pay athletes with our current budget. Win, win for Clemson, IMO.
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Re: I would rather give it up rather than take the win win
Nov 12, 2014, 8:34 PM
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or win at all cost position and no one loves Clemson baseball and football more than I do.
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LOL. They don't hardly go now. They sure aren't going to pay
Nov 12, 2014, 9:32 PM
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extra to go...
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Re: LOL. They don't hardly go now. They sure aren't going to pay
Nov 12, 2014, 9:37 PM
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Really, the student section always seem to be bulging. I didn't realize they weren't coming, that's disturbing to hear.
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Re: LOL. They don't hardly go now. They sure aren't going to pay
Nov 13, 2014, 7:48 AM
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That's ridiculous. The student section is always over crowded.
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Re: We need to get as many in as we can and really get them
Nov 12, 2014, 9:38 PM
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interested. Clemson is not a university they turns out a lot of professionals who can pony up the big bucks. You have to remember
what you are and try to grow from there.
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Re: Athletic Fees Proposed.
Nov 12, 2014, 9:46 PM
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I'm agasnt it simply because it's hard enough to pay for school without adding more to it. If like dan said we don't have to then why do it?
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Re: Athletic Fees Proposed.
Nov 12, 2014, 11:21 PM
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Why not $1000? $5000? Its all just federal student loan money right? They can always just print up some more! How about we hire some folks who actually read their econ textbooks and try controlling cost instead. Clemson should buck the national trend of double digit cost inflation. Maybe we could teach these kids some financial discipline in the process.
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Real Creative DRAD, you Choad.***
Nov 13, 2014, 12:49 AM
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Strongly oppose. The first sentence says it all...
Nov 13, 2014, 8:41 AM
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"Hoping to tap an unmined source of revenue, the Clemson athletics department might join its peers by implementing a student tax to supplement its $72 million budget."
The students of Clemson are not an "unmined source of revenue." Everyone who keeps patting themselves on the back for being so sophisticated...talking about how college sports is "big time business" and has to be run as such...is going to wake up a few years down the line and wonder what the heck happened.
Keep putting up barriers to the emotional connection between the students and their sports teams. Keep asking the students and fans for more. More money as students before they even form a love of the team. More money for IPTAY before you can get a ticket. More money for the tickets once you can buy them. More for the food inside the stadium. More flexibility from people who have to wait until 6 days before some games before they know if it's a noon kick-off or an 8:00 pm kick-off. Take away the "Gathering at the Paw". Take away "pass outs". Professionalize the players. Make the guy who coaches the running backs a multi-millionaire. Take the fans and students, and their money, for granted. Hey, are they for Clemson football or not? If they don't pony up, they must not be real fans, right?
Do all that, and pretty soon students will start to take their interests elsewhere. Fans will find something else to do with their Saturdays. Think it can't happen? I'll bet Michigan has always taken their students for granted, too:
http://www.johnubacon.com/2014/06/the-real-reasons-why-students-and-others-are-bailing-on-michigan-football-tickets/
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Nov 13, 2014, 9:19 AM
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If we started sucking again (8 win seasons ) I'd think about not paying the 350. All i need is the SC ticket and maybe georgia/fsu , whatever other big games we have , which is about 2
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