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Can someone explain the metal detector quote for me
Jun 29, 2022, 11:57 AM
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I may be confused, so bear with me.
The rally that Trump had was totally separate from the protest in front of the capitol building? Separate in being that was a rally across the way which is why the people were told to march to the capitol building
There were protestors already in place over there at the Capitol.
When Trump says get rid of the mags, they aren't here to hurt me. Was he talking for his particular rally or the protest or all of the above?
My thought process is that he wasn't afraid of people having whatever guns, knives, weapons, etc for his rally and thus said to not worry about the metal detectors. The metal detectors were there as safety protocol for a speech/rally of a sitting president.
Did all of the protestors at the Capitol go through metal detectors to assemble?
I guess I'm trying to differentiate between him removing them from the group at the Capitol or the group around him.
--Yes, there were bad things and a lot that makes him look guilty of something.
--No, I am not defending Trump
--Yes, I did some looking last night to see if there was a map/diagram/layout of the different gatherings
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At the very least it demonstrates a lack of concern for
Jun 29, 2022, 12:01 PM
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others safety and a lack of concern for violence (why else have weapons). And then he directed the crowd that he knew was armed to march to the Capitol.
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Re: At the very least it demonstrates a lack of concern for
Jun 29, 2022, 12:08 PM
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List the weapons and arms that were used and/or confiscated.
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Re: At the very least it demonstrates a lack of concern for
Jun 29, 2022, 12:13 PM
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I don't know if there's some big list out there. You'd have to look at individual cases.
For instance, Christopher Michael Alberts, 33 years old from Pylesville, Maryland, had a Taurus G2C 9mm handgun with a round in the chamber and a full 12-round magazine.
Want another?
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Re: At the very least it demonstrates a lack of concern for
Jun 29, 2022, 12:17 PM
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So that increased to the crowd size by one. Since that was his motivation “per the witness” for removing them, there should be thousands. Keep going.
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Re: It was in the testimony.
Jun 29, 2022, 2:54 PM
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Really? Was it? I have seen every other detail ad nauseum on T-Net, why not give me that info? hmmmm.
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Her testimony was something to the effect of
Jun 29, 2022, 3:08 PM
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guns, knives, and other weapons like spears attached to flag poles. This isn't a new revelation, what is new is that Trump was aware that they had weapons.
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He was disappointed in the size of his speech crowd and was
Jun 29, 2022, 12:10 PM
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discussing how to get more people into his speech.
He was told there were armed members that were refusing to go through the magnetometers and into his rally that was separate from the Capital. Trump was told again the people couldn't get through the mags because they had weapons. His response was "Take the F-ing mags down. They're not here to hurt ME. Let them in. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol after the rally is over. They can march from the Elipse. Take the F-ing mags away and then they can march to The Capitol."
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so they would have been able to be at the Capitol
Jun 29, 2022, 12:13 PM
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with whatever weapons they had regardless of the mags?
Not a gotcha kinda thing, just trying to make sense of it all and follow some kind of logic (or lack thereof)
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The wouldn't have been able to go through the mags
Jun 29, 2022, 12:25 PM
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and into his rally with their weapons. Therefore, many refused to go through the mags and into the rally because they didn't want their weapons taken before they headed to the Capitol with their weapons.
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So they would have been able to be at the Capitol
Jun 29, 2022, 12:40 PM
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regardless of mags at his rally?
Or were there mags to get into the protest area at the Capitol?
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They would have been able to get to the Capitol without
Jun 29, 2022, 12:51 PM
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ever going through mags.
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That quote didn't particularly land for me either.
Jun 29, 2022, 12:14 PM
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He wanted a bigger crowd. This would give him a bigger crowd. I don't believe he was thinking about anything other than crowd size.
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size doesn't matter!***
Jun 29, 2022, 12:14 PM
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Stormy made that point VERY clear.***
Jun 29, 2022, 12:22 PM
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I had forgotten about that incident***
Jun 29, 2022, 12:41 PM
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Wouldn't only thinking about crowd size and not the possible
Jun 29, 2022, 12:28 PM
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repercussions of the weapons be troublesome? The testimony stated that he said he was not concerned because the would not injure him (I'm not going to go find the exact quote).
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Of course. But Trump's rank stupidity isn't necessarily
Jun 29, 2022, 1:07 PM
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criminal. It may have led him to commit some crimes, but not here.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that it was criminal.
Jun 29, 2022, 1:36 PM
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But it's one piece of the larger puzzle of how culpable he was in the Capitol attack. But combined with the testimony that he and those around him were aware of or even participated in the planning of the attack in advance.
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demonstrates prior knowledge
Jun 29, 2022, 12:41 PM
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"let them in, they're not here for me"
If anything the statement shows prior knowledge. He obviously felt he knew who was there and what they were intending to do, and combined with inflammatory rhetoric and suggestions in his speech, knowingly set the wheels in motion for violent confrontation with a desired outcome.
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I think I agree
Jun 29, 2022, 12:47 PM
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I also feel like a good lawyer could swing that back to "he only meant his rally and not the protest at the Capitol"
Again, I am not defending him and his actions. I am actually curious to see how this could be spun in a legal atmosphere that would offer him an out (be it a technicality of verbiage or not)
Just trying to think about it
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Re: I think I agree
Jun 29, 2022, 1:04 PM
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yeah, that'd be the tap dances to end all tap dances.
Yeah, suspension of disbelief largely depends on how many dominos fall on Trump's team. It sounds like he is trying to keep everyone on the same page through coercion and bribery, so we will see if they are successful.
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"Take the mags away and then they can march to the Capitol."
Jun 29, 2022, 1:16 PM
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"Take the F-ing mags down. They're not here to hurt ME. Let them in. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol after the rally is over. They can march from the Elipse. Take the F-ing mags away and then they can march to The Capitol.
It would be hard to argue, based upon that testimony, that he meant his rally and not the protest at the Capitol.
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maybe so and maybe not
Jun 29, 2022, 1:32 PM
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Take the mags down and let them in (being his rally)
They can march to the Capitol after the rally could be argued that after the rally they are free to do what they want (which they were)
Take the effing mags away and them let them march to the Capitol (let them into the rally and then they can march to the Capitol)
I think it would be WAY more darning if there were mags at the Capitol and he was trying to remove those
A good lawyer can dance around this (I think...I've been wrong before)
I get that it sounds bad and all of that, but the argument could be made that he was referring to his own rally with all of that. Would the argument be agreed with is a totally separate animal
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Re: demonstrates prior knowledge
Jun 29, 2022, 2:56 PM
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prior knowledge of what? They guys that tuck a t-shirt into their jeans may have a pocket knife?
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Re: Can someone explain the metal detector quote for me
Jun 29, 2022, 1:05 PM
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ignore it
by the time you figure out the truth, democrats will have 2 more items to ponder to keep you chasing your own tail
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