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110%er [6321]
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At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:21 PM
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and that point has been passed weeks ago.
The Cole Stoudt bashing and jokes have gotten out of hand, and, IMO, I wish the mods would delete every one of them.
I will be the first to admit that I was on the Watson bandwagon from the beginning and said some things that I wish could take back about Cole.
I have never seen so many Clemson fans attack one of their own. Or have I ever seen so many Clemson fans use him as the brunt of jokes.
He wears that Orange and paw with pride, and we, as fans, should show some pride for EVERY player that has dedicated themselves to Clemson. He has spent as much time on the practice field as the best players on the team.
It is not his fault that he does not have the skills that Watson has. It is not his fault he is the only QB that we have that can be playing at this time. He, like, Watson is injured. He just happens to have an injury that does not require him to not use his hand as a QB.
Just because you do not like the way he plays or that his skills are not what YOU want them to be, please consider that he is human, too. You should put yourself or your son or family member in his place and then see if it is so funny.
IMO, he is doing the best that he can, and under the circumstances, better than most people would do with injuries and trying to live up to fan expectations of him. He is probably trying too hard at times just to make fans get off his back.
He is what we have right now. Ugly as some of the last 2 wins were, they were still wins. The defense kept us in the game, but he has had some drives that helped us win, also.
So, please, think before you post about him. He may be a young man that some will say he should realize that things like this will be said and should deal with them. But, the bottom line is, he is human just like all of us. None of us want to hear or read negative things about ourselves. That is obvious on this board. How many arguments and mile long threads have you seen here just because someone did not like what another said about them?
He is a TIGER and deserves the respect of a TIGER. IMO, most of this began when the coaches kept saying he was the starter after we had seen Watson play. That, my Tiger friends, is not Cole's fault. He seems now to get more negative remarks than Dabo and Morris when they made their decision. But, right now, there is no other decision to make.
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so you're saying the Cole is a better QB than the Fridge?
Oct 29, 2014, 5:23 PM
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Re: so you're saying the Cole is a better QB than the Fridge?
Oct 29, 2014, 5:35 PM
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Can believe someone would disrespect a Clemson great like that.
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sounds like something that runningbacku fellow would do
Oct 29, 2014, 5:36 PM
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Miss that guy....***
Oct 29, 2014, 5:38 PM
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good guy..... great poster
Oct 29, 2014, 5:39 PM
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hated it when the truth came out
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Some can't handle the truth.***
Oct 29, 2014, 5:40 PM
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oh i agree... i just hate that all those homeless men had to
Oct 29, 2014, 5:41 PM
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go get tested as well...
they didn't know
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Re: Miss that guy....***
Oct 29, 2014, 5:55 PM
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The coaches (Dabo and Morris) catch a little bit of responsibility for the things being said about Cole. When the fans could see what Dabo was unwilling to admit (that Watson was better) and he kept running Cole out there against UGA with nothing changing. I remember watching the clock and thinking, "if we can get Watson back in we will have a chance." Then saying he gave us the best chance to win against FSU. He set Cole up for failure with the fan base knowing we had a freshman phenom sitting behind him. At least that is my opinion,
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Re: Miss that guy....***
Oct 30, 2014, 5:16 PM
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We have to make and account for our own choices regardless of what someone else says or does. Cole hasn't performed at the level most of us thought he would, and he has made some miserable mistakes. But in no way does he deserve to be disrespected as some on here have done in assassinating his ability and his character. IMO, Cole would be a very good QB in an offense with a good O Line and a work horse RB. Given time to go through his progression, he could pick a great defense apart. He just isn't quick footed enough for OUR style offense....
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Re: At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:26 PM
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Well dude I agree but don't you also think he is getting tired of hearing, that he is playing because he is all we got?
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Re: At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 6:21 PM
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agree.
I said "It is not his fault he is the only QB that we have that can be playing at this time."..meaning that maybe the coaches have not recruited as they should or have coached the other QB's to be ready to play.
I also said "He is what we have right now."...meaning that our starter is hurt and bashing him and making fun of him is not the way to go.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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look man... i agree with your sentiment... but my point
Oct 29, 2014, 6:29 PM
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is that there are how many registered users here? Tens of thousands?
We have a guy that hasn't played very well this year. It happens. To come on a message bored and suggest that some injustice is being done is a little over the top.
Are people piling on Cole at times? Sure. If you read this bored during games, it's awful.
But, as a general rule, I don't see anyone on here bashing him. Talking about his poor play? Yes. Degrading? I don't think so.
you can't post something like that, and expect everyone to say, "yep, stop talking about how cole's playing"...
tens of thousands of registered users
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Re: look man... i agree with your sentiment... but my point
Oct 29, 2014, 6:34 PM
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I don't expect everyone to agree.
And we will have to agree to disagree that there are plenty of post that degrade Cole. As I said, I was guilty of it myself after Ga game, but now see where I was wrong to openly say the things I said.
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Re: At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:30 PM
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Nice post but unfortunately it has fallen on deaf ears.
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Re: At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:30 PM
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Clemson people agree with you.
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link?***
Oct 29, 2014, 5:32 PM
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Really sad that is has turned into a bash Cole anyway
Oct 29, 2014, 5:31 PM
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possible. It has gone way past football and has become personal. Cole is a young man that has given his all to the school he loves and a bunch of people, mostly adults, have done nothing but belittle him anyway possible.
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Re: Really sad that is has turned into a bash Cole anyway
Oct 29, 2014, 5:40 PM
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These comedians would probably laugh if Cole went down they are not going to stop until he is either injured or replaced. Sad thing is, when Deshaun comes back and isn't up to their expectations he'll fall victim to this treatment as well. Sad.
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who is being a comedian and bashing cole?
Oct 29, 2014, 5:41 PM
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curious
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Re: who is being a comedian and bashing cole?
Oct 29, 2014, 5:43 PM
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If you don't know, then who am I to enlighten you....
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i just haven't seen much Cole bashing today... since you're
Oct 29, 2014, 5:44 PM
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talking about it being a travesty, I figured you could point me to where it was occurring
that's all
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Re: Really sad that is has turned into a bash Cole anyway
Oct 29, 2014, 5:55 PM
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Completely agree. Many posts have been aimed at his will to win and/or his gameday acumen. I cannot imagine anyone knocking a kid that has given this university everything he has , and is leaving it in the field everytime out.
Oh and fwiw ...we are 3-2 in games he started and he should get cred for the Louisville win in as much as he played 90% against that nasty defense.
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Re: At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:41 PM
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You're obviously one of Tnet's better posters and I have no cross words for you and I think we get along. But I honestly think posts like these blow things out of proportion a la the Streisand effect more than anything else.
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but it gets points...
Oct 29, 2014, 5:43 PM
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that counts for something, right?
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you think I made this post for points??..
Oct 29, 2014, 5:56 PM
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if so, then you are wrong. Actually, I think the point sytem is silly and would not bother me if I had negative points.
But, if making posts produce points, there are several on this board that should have a million points, especially since a select few always want to threadjack posts. Not saying what you posted here did that....but you can look at the first post after my OP that the threadjacking had begun and the making fun of my post began.
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no i don't... but I agree with IBWG
Oct 29, 2014, 5:58 PM
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it's an internet message bored
we're not trying to right the world
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110%er [6321]
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but you and others did agree with this...
Oct 29, 2014, 6:13 PM
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when you registered for TigerNet
http://www.tigernet.com/rules.do
12.Thread Hijacking (knowingly redirecting the subject of a thread)
TigerNet will not tolerate hateful speech, degrading remarks, or personal attacks made about other posters, athletes/coaches/faculty at Clemson University, or anyone else.
I am not trying to tell people what to post, but am saying that enough is enough about Cole. His skills may not be the best and people are entitled to post their opinions about that...but it should be done in the way they agreed to when they registed for TigerNet
Remember that our student athletes are first and foremost Tigers. Additionally they work tirelessly through blood, sweat and tears to represent Clemson to the best of their ability. They deserve our respect. While on these forums we encourage constructive criticisms of athletic performance, but please refrain from extremisms. For example, there is never an instance when you should say this player is the ?worst player ever,? or so and so ?sucks.? Keep criticisms of a player to a reasonable evaluation of their performance on the field.
I guess as long as people can live with themselves about their posts and feel good, then as IBWG says, carry on.
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where do you see this?
Oct 29, 2014, 6:16 PM
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TigerNet will not tolerate hateful speech, degrading remarks, or personal attacks made about other posters, athletes/coaches/faculty at Clemson University, or anyone else.
i'm not seeing any hateful speech. Having a little humor on the internet? Sure.
Hateful speech or personal attacks? nah
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Re: where do you see this?
Oct 29, 2014, 6:27 PM
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OK...you are right.....being made fun of is not hateful.
I gave you a point for your post because that is what posting is all about, right?
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Re: you are blinded by your attempt to right this injustice
Oct 29, 2014, 8:54 PM
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Actually I see very well.
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i would actually argue that your quote
Oct 29, 2014, 6:20 PM
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"But that is OK. I think most that read this board understand that there are posters that are going to do that all the time because they think it is comical."
is closer to personal attacks or disparaging remarks than anything else that was posted
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Re: i would actually argue that your quote
Oct 29, 2014, 6:30 PM
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since you consider that a personal attacks or disparaging remarks, I have deleted it out of my post.
You are welcome
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i didn't consider it that at all... but you are taking the
Oct 29, 2014, 6:30 PM
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the concept a little too far, i believe
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Re: i didn't consider it that at all... but you are taking the
Oct 29, 2014, 6:31 PM
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we can agree to disagree
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you are entitled to your opinion about the post....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:47 PM
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I am not trying to blow anything out of proportion...I think that has already been done by evidence of all the negative Stoudt posts and jokes about him.
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Re: you are entitled to your opinion about the post....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:51 PM
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True, we can agree to disagree. I just think that we overestimate the importance and prominence of the boards sometimes. I know the players read them and such, but I have a hard time believing anything I've seen posted today would do anything negative for morale. But I guess that's where we disagree. Carry on
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Re: you are entitled to your opinion about the post....
Oct 29, 2014, 5:59 PM
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pretty sure I did not name anyone in my post
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Re: you are entitled to your opinion about the post....
Oct 29, 2014, 6:02 PM
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The "Plucked Chicken" always cackles the most and loudest! Just my opinion, not bashing anyone or being negative....we wouldn't want that....
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One should not assume all posters on the bored are humans.
Oct 29, 2014, 5:42 PM
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I am also pretty sure the c0cks on here have bred themselves out of #### sapiens status.
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Maybe consider not
Oct 29, 2014, 5:44 PM
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visiting Tnet during games?
Other than random morans during games being all OMG COLE IS NOT GOOD and whatnot, I have failed to see an example of what you are describing.
I do, however, see a lot of folks questioning the Chad, which is perfectly reasonable.
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Really??..
Oct 29, 2014, 6:04 PM
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you can honestly say that there are not posts on this board that do not make fun of Cole or bash him?? And it is just not during games. It has been going on for weeks. Please tell me I do not have to link the post for you?
WOW, just wow
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Sorry, I didn't go back through every post for the
Oct 29, 2014, 7:09 PM
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entire season, so I guess I can't make that claim.
Please don't go to the trouble to post links. I really don't care that much.
No hard feelings here, I think you are just making a mountain out of a molehill, so to speak.
Generally I am not seeing Tnetters personally attacking Cole on the reg. If you disagree, then fantastic. We can agree to disagree on this one.
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Hey, at least he's being talked about a lot in a wide range
Oct 29, 2014, 6:14 PM
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of conversation. He's part of a great and passionate tradition and he's getting a lot of limelight during.
If he's looking to have a professional career in football in any capacity going forward, he needs to learn about the fan giveback, in whatever form, that comes with the gig.
Sports is passion. Passion is insanity. Insanity is what it is.
Go Tigers, and Go Cole Stoudt!
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Nobody should take this board serious
Oct 29, 2014, 6:27 PM
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Coaches and players certainly don't
Any post by a 100 per center ain't worth reading
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truth***
Oct 29, 2014, 6:31 PM
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Amen.***
Oct 29, 2014, 8:31 PM
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Did not know Gloria Steinem was a Tiger fan! Welcome aboard!***
Oct 29, 2014, 8:37 PM
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Re: Did not know Gloria Steinem was a Tiger fan! Welcome aboard!***
Oct 29, 2014, 9:08 PM
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Remember that time Aubrey O'Day called Hitler brilliant?
That is how brilliant your response is
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Re: is that a personal attack?
Oct 29, 2014, 9:20 PM
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nothing personal about it at all. I asked a question and answered it. Was his post a personal attack?
Is your post a personal attack to me? Sounds like it
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i hear ya***
Oct 29, 2014, 9:36 PM
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Re: i hear ya***
Oct 29, 2014, 11:05 PM
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Cole reminds me of a Pert Plus commercial when he takes his helmet off. He has cool hair, I'm 39 and been losing my hair for years,
Now for the serious part. Yes, for now he is the Clemson QB. If Dabo and Morris had a little more nads from the get go he never would have started a game this year barring an injury, like say a......broken finger. But that is neither here or there since they could not pull the trigger on actually starting the best QB from the get go. I believe when Cole came in for his first series of downs in Athens, people were actually excited about him. I was. I looked at my dad and said, "watch this dad, you're not gonna see Cole get rattled like Boyd. And I loved Boyd, don't get me wrong. Then he started playing. If I remember he ran well on his first rush. I was excited. At some point, I believe around the 5th possession, Watson came in and was throwing lasers. He absolutely blew my mind. Every time he came in he made the most of his opportunity. As the game went on I realized that Dabo did one of the things he does best. He sold us on the idea that Cole was the best QB and actually won the job. I believe if Watson hadn't gitten injured during Spring ball Dabo may have had to break whatever promise he made to Cile about his senior year.
The 2nd half solidified my thoughts, I asked my dad, "why not give Watson more chances? Every time they use him we do well and it seems the team plays flat when Cole is playing." Watson was making throws in traffic that Cole didn't have the nerve to throw or the arm. He also has very elusive feet. As the game went on and Dabo and Morris kept putting Cole out there I felt resentment as I saw a very important opener against the SEC slipping away. We continued getting terrible field position. Cole continued going 3 and outs we kept punting from behind our own 10. The defense finally was gassed and we lost. I thought to myself that the turnout could've been different if Watson got the majority of snaps.
We went from no QB controversy and Dabo saying he thought it was pretty sad during his press conference that he was being asked about Watson after Cole played such a great game, to giving over the reigns from a senior to the freshman phenom in the 3rd game. Unfortunately for Cole fans are just that.,,fanatics. We get excited and we blame the QB Dabo puts in there- especially when we feel we could have won the FSU game and possibly the UGA game had Watson started. The negative energy gets focused at Cole,
Once we finally got Watson and he started and played exceptional against UNC and NCST we got excited. Watson goes back out due to an injury and Cole comes back playing worse than he did before Watson took the job. He plays with lots of hesitation, fear, and makes a lot of mistakes. You have to unspderstand that Boyd got talked about on here. His house got egged. And Boyd did tons more for the strength of this team than Cole has. So to think Cole is untouchable on a sports forum is crazy. Like I said, he is probably a great guy. I am too, but I can't play QB.
For the record, we have won the last 3 games despite the terrible play of Cole. The defense, Artavis Scott, Mike Williams, and Gallman have helped immensely.
Keep your head up Cole, it's not personal. Deshaun, get well soon because we cannot win against GT or SC without you unless we shut them out.
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Re: At some point, enough is enough....
Oct 29, 2014, 8:44 PM
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Thank you I agree.
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I AGREE! (Re: At some point, enough is enough!)
Oct 29, 2014, 8:54 PM
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ThX for reminding us that Cole "IS" our CLemson QB! GoTiGERs!
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Agree with the OP 100%...
Oct 29, 2014, 9:20 PM
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...and maybe some of the responses are sarcasm and I'm just not that smart to figure it out.
But for some, if you really believe what you're typing, then you are either not paying attention or trying to somehow justify all these comments bashing this kid. Maybe you authored some of them?
There have been a myriad of such posts over the last couple of weeks. For so many to deny that fact (or insist on links) is incredulous. Just mho.
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He's right. Let's aim it toward Nick Shuesler. He's done
Oct 29, 2014, 10:56 PM
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NOTHING
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I'm not bashing Cole
Oct 30, 2014, 10:26 AM
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I'm just tired of the way the coaches baby him in interviews. That or blaming other positions for his mistakes.
But he's the best we have and we need to get behind him.
Message was edited by: milkingoatswithjehnir®
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+1.***
Oct 30, 2014, 5:23 PM
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