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If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
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If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:20 AM
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Before Neff steps in and forces his hand on staff hirings and portal recruiting? I hope things turn around, but if they don't, we cant just sit back and let Dabo kill it bc he built it. Go Tigers!
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:26 AM
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I think if we win the ACC 3 out of the next 4 years, we won’t see any change. Do I think we will take another small step back if changes aren’t made? Yes…but 10 and 11 win seasons are still great years. Looking at Clemson football, that’s still historically good ball.
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Beating SCar > winning the ACC.***
Jan 10, 2023, 10:32 AM
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
Jan 10, 2023, 3:08 PM
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Only 2 teams play 15 games.
Only teams playing for their conference title get a possible 14.
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how old are you ?***
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I have a sneaky suspicion that Dabo may walk away from the
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:30 AM
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game within a few years if some major reforms do not occur with buying players, tampering, unrestricted free agency, etc.
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Re: I have a sneaky suspicion that Dabo may walk away from the
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:36 AM
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I suspect the same.
He's always been about developing young men through football and the college experience.
As you turn it into minor league NFL... the ability to do that goes away. And it's not like he needs the money.
It wouldn't shock me if 3-5 years he retires if things continue this way.
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wouldn't be surprised if that happened.....just wish.......
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Jan 10, 2023, 11:21 AM
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he wouldn't ignore reality in the meantime while he's waiting for this magical major reform.
again, we're using an iPhone4 hoping that they outlaw the use of iPhones5 and beyond...........that's no way to handle the program in the current CFB world.
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Do you really think Dabo has an iphone4?***
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:27 PM
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I am right there with him … I watched ND St.. Vs SD St. and
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Jan 10, 2023, 11:45 AM
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I found it thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable.
Ditto for watching Army vs Navy.
If things keep going the way they are, there will be many who will find themselves caring less and less about the new “Professional College Football League” and seek out an alternative.
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Ditto. I think there are more people like you and I than
Jan 10, 2023, 11:55 AM
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ESPN/SEC and Big Ten/Fox think. I love college football dearly, but I have drawn lines about other things in life before and will again.
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Re: I am right there with him … I watched ND St.. Vs SD St. and
Jan 10, 2023, 12:08 PM
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The only team that I care about is the one where I went to school... I despise the way things have changed, but when disruptions occur you have to make adjustments or you lose ground. While our current teams are accomplishing things, what they are currently accomplishing looks nothing like just a few years back. We talk about accomplishments and how many years in a row we have won this and that. Many teams have climbed the mountain and no one stays on top forever. We are clearly not on top atm even though we have top of the mountain talent... Just hope that we can regain our lost ground and stake our Paw at the top again... Go Tigers!!
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Dabo is not going anywhere unless
Jan 10, 2023, 10:31 AM
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He chooses to
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We fail to compete for the ACC title for around five years… Or start dropping close to .500
If either of those things happen, I would assume he would have the fortitude to actually fire some staff and bring on qualified coaches
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Unless FSU has an aTm style portal implosion,
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:34 AM
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FSU will be very tough.
Also, divisions in the ACC are no more.
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Dabo knows Neff won't do anything and he's right.
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:31 AM
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Neff may know that he should do something, but knows that he can't.
Dabo is bigger than the university and he knows that his "money in the bank" of where he took us from 2015-2020 is a lifetime contract for him.
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Re: Dabo knows Neff won't do anything and he's right.
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:34 AM
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Yep!
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Neff would be wise to read up on Max Lennon/Bobby Robinson
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Jan 10, 2023, 11:50 AM
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and gain a firmer understanding of the ramifications of forcing a popular and successful coach to bend to their will.
Dabo is not Danny in his overall disdain for the lines of reporting for university employees, but he certainly wields just as much if not more power.
Unlike Danny tough, I doubt Dabo will need to be forced out. He will just walk away.
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Re: Dabo knows Neff won't do anything and he's right.
Jan 10, 2023, 12:13 PM
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Dabo is NOT bigger than Clemson... we have gone undefeated with other coaches in the past and will do so again in the future (probably) with him here and again after he leaves. Many of our current problems exist because of the BOT going along with the ACC death nail TV contract. We get out of that (and the ACC) and Dabo won't have to shop at the dollar tree for coordinators.
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We are supposed to be grateful for 10 win seasons and conference championships.
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:34 AM
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That, plus the memory of previous national championships, gives us no right to complain.
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Yeah… NO! What have ya done for me lately?***
Jan 10, 2023, 10:35 AM
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Re: Yeah… NO! What have ya done for me lately?***
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:00 PM
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That’s the problem with our society. It does not matter what you have accomplished. It is what you have done for me today. With all the success Dabo has brought to Clemson, I would think fans would give him a break. They need to realize Dabo is going to do things the right way. It may take a little longer but the success seems to last longer. Even the great Saban stubbes his toe. Bama missed the playoffs too.
I think after all of his success I think we need to cut him some slack support him as he retools Clemson. He has given Clemson its great st years of success. Yet the first signs of adversity fans turn on Dabo. Especially in a time when maybe he needs to feel that support from the fans. Maybe he needs to feel needed and appreciated.
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what about our wins over OOC P5 teams.....??...??...
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:37 AM
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oh wait..........nevermind
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I suppose we were 0-2 this year for that category
Jan 10, 2023, 12:13 PM
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with losses to USC and TN.
Last year we lost 10-3 to eventual national champion UGA then beat USC and Iowa state. So a 2-1 record in total.
Should we go back farther, or no?
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ND is OOC.......so 0-3***
Jan 10, 2023, 2:18 PM
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and that's the first time since 1996 we were 0-3 OOC P5.....
Jan 10, 2023, 2:21 PM
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hurts going back that far.
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Using that metric this team is worse than last year's team..
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Jan 10, 2023, 2:40 PM
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and Tommy West's last team, and all of Tommy Bowden's teams.
Wow. We are in trouble.
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Let me ask you a question given that...
Jan 10, 2023, 10:37 AM
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What we saw last night is what unlimited money can buy, best coaches, innumerable staff, best facilities, and best players.
And Clemson has approximately half the football revenue, fan base, alumni base, far less than half of the NIL type of market base around it than uga has.
What do you really expect for Clemson in an era of "The best team that money can buy?"
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To make an effort in the relm of how the game has changed
Jan 10, 2023, 10:40 AM
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by using the portal and firing coaches that are inept. If our resources are that limited, we have to be innovative in how we approach things.
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Re: To make an effort in the relm of how the game has changed
Jan 10, 2023, 12:17 PM
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innovative or at least just plain smart with our money.
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Dabo is a TOP 3 paid head coach in the entire country.......
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:54 AM
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but poor clemson has no money???
the ONLY thing I'll agree with is that Clemson can't and won't be able to "compete" with the SoCal's/Texas'/Georgia's of the world from an NIL perspective, however Clemson CAN.......if Dabo so chooses compete in top notch staff/salaries & MEANINGFUL portal utilization to backfill early portal exits and/or missing on top recruiting targets, just tweaking those two philosophies of his would go a long way in "righting the ship"............wouldn't solve all problems, but his hires and lack of meaningful portal utilization have been a big detriment to the program downfall from our 2018 peak.
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Why does our NIL market have to be limited...
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Jan 10, 2023, 11:50 AM
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I mean heck DJU had a deal with both Dr. Pepper and Bojangles, that's not limited. And you don't think that if NIL had been in place earlier that both Trevor and Travis wouldn't have had big time deals. Talent level is going to dictate deals at national level. But we have 2 international car manufacturers in our state, why aren't we trying to get NIL deals there. Plus there are a lot of major corporations within Clemson's immediate footprint (SC, GA, and NC). Sure you have to compete with UGA, Ga Tech, USC jr, etc. But that's the nature of the beast now. Maybe we should take some of Dabo's 11.5 million per year and hire a marketing team to go after those. It doesn't just have to come from alumni.
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Re: Let me ask you a question given that...
Jan 10, 2023, 12:16 PM
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I expect Clemson to compete with the best. Why have you lowered your expectations????
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:37 AM
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Hopefully he’s fired today
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He, as in Streeter and Grisham...yes.***
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:38 AM
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and Richardson, PLEASE!***
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Re: He, as in Streeter and Grisham...yes.***
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Nope the whole staff including Dabo who is now Jimbo 2.0, got to fire everyone and start fresh so everyone can feel like they are getting their worth from Clemson. Maybe we can hire Urban Meyer or some person who has zero moral compass and only cares about winning that’s what we need.
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smh
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Shake your head at what?***
Jan 10, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Seriously?
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:44 AM
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Killing the program is exactly what will happen if Neff utilizes TNet as his guide.
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Yes
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Posts such as the original
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Should NEVER allowed on t net . They serve no worthwhile purpose at all. Tiger net is going downhill.
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disagree...if it has gone downhill then nobody would be here
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Jan 10, 2023, 11:02 AM
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and if we all agreed then it would just be one big echo chamber like the Clemson coaching staff.
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Re: Seriously?
Jan 10, 2023, 12:21 PM
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He will make no decisions if that happens because Tnetters are as divided as I've ever seen...
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6 months…
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tops.
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
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Jan 10, 2023, 10:58 AM
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I dunno man... Jimbo 2.0 is a bit too far. The most disappointing things is how soft and complacent the whole program feels. The vibes in the Valley have been different the past two seasons as well. I can't quite put my finger on it but something is afoul. Things can be turned around but there is only two or three seasons to make it happen imo. I am worried that the damage may already be done regarding NIL / Portal / Coaching Hires. I agree that Dabo likely hates how the landscape has changed. He is betting that it will be reigned in to an extent. Gotta get the fire and hunger back ASAP.
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
Jan 10, 2023, 12:25 PM
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I agree that the team definitely looks softer and slower the last two years...
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When will there be a sense of urgency to right the ship?
Jan 10, 2023, 11:04 AM
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THAT is the question? As fans, we see it. But as boosters, when will they see it? There is no lifetime contract in football or any sport for that matter. Dabo not withstanding. I am waiting to see the changes Dabo makes. Thus far crickets. Has complacency truly set in with Dabo?
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Re: When will there be a sense of urgency to right the ship?
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He just replaced both coordinators last year. The school approved.
One coordinator whose defense got abused by LSU and Alabama in playoff bowl games got a head coaching job at Oklahoma.
There should definitely be an IQ test prior to being approved to post on here.
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Re: When will there be a sense of urgency to right the ship?
Jan 10, 2023, 12:29 PM
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The program reminds me of the school that I currently work in... Not too long ago was on top in every way... has slipped, but none of the people that CAN do something about it are willing to.
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Not long. Not long at all.
Jan 10, 2023, 11:05 AM
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I'm sure that next year, when Neff sees we aren't going to improve from an 11 win team to something more than that he'll be giving Dabo the pink slip.
Lol.
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
Jan 10, 2023, 11:44 AM
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So I found the dumbest post on the internet today.
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GO DABO - ALL IN - GO TIGERS
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Stop the moaning
We are ACC Champs
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If he continues to consistently win 9-10 games a year,
Jan 10, 2023, 12:06 PM
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he will be able to stay as long as he wants. Not saying that’s right or wrong, but anything more than 9-10 is not the expectation. Would be great, but he’s not going to get get fired for losing 2-3 games per year.
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Oh and he will continue to do things his way forever.***
Jan 10, 2023, 12:08 PM
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Re: If things don't improve, how long does Dabo get to continue to do things his way
Jan 10, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Dabo built it, he'll get the opportunity to tear it down. Your AD isn't going to do squat as long as he's winning the ACC and has the YUGE buyout hanging around his neck.
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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As long as he wants to, you ungrateful, impatient child.
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Elite football at Clemson is not your birthright. Meddle with Dabo and watch it all die, back to
7-5 seasons and hoping for the Sun Bowl.
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Probably as long as he wants
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Jan 10, 2023, 12:31 PM
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1) He's earned everyone's patience
2) Who do you think has more power, Dabo or Neff?
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With the new world order, what is acceptable for this smaller public school?
Jan 10, 2023, 12:32 PM
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So if all of a sudden we are missing expanded playoffs or getting crushed in first round - depends if this is acceptable to the masses.
So if we continue to be competitive (make the playoffs more than not with varying degrees of success) but not uber elite -yet have good character kids, family atmosphere, no off field issues, high GPA - is that enough?
For me it is enough.
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Who said there was no such thing as a dumb question?***
Jan 10, 2023, 12:35 PM
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Re: Who said there was no such thing as a dumb question?***
Jan 10, 2023, 2:51 PM
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I am sure Dabo played a big part in Neff getting the job. Who wouldn't want to hire his boss. Neff will not rock the boat.
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