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All-In [30593]
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As best you can... w/o your only reasoning being
Sep 18, 2014, 10:15 AM
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"your opinion"...
explain how changing what we do and going on defense first is more advantageous than if we take the ball and try to go down and score, putting a backup QB down 7-0
how do you determine which one is more advantageous?
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CU Guru [1537]
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Either works for me. JUST WIN BABY!
Sep 18, 2014, 10:17 AM
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Either would be a motivator for the team and me (us)!
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Opinion is the only reason.
Sep 18, 2014, 10:19 AM
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Statistical analysis doesn't necessarily work because you have a different team overall every year.
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every game.***
Sep 18, 2014, 10:41 AM
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Hall of Famer [21846]
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Clemson has a different team every game? who knew***
Sep 18, 2014, 10:54 AM
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110%er [7207]
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Re: Opinion is the only reason.
Sep 18, 2014, 10:44 AM
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Eh what? I hope this was just a failed attempt at a joke.
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Hall of Famer [21846]
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I assume you are the one that TD'd me....soooo....
Sep 18, 2014, 10:56 AM
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what didn't you understand?
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Re: As best you can... w/o your only reasoning being
Sep 18, 2014, 10:22 AM
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Can't say it is more advantageous to score here or there because they both equal 7. You can say it is a good thing to make sure Jamie's gets a few minutes shaved off the 30 he has to work with. If we don't score on the opening drive of the game choosing to receive will look like a big mistake. If you don't score but just waste time in the second. Mission accomplished.
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My preference is to have the ball to start the second half
Sep 18, 2014, 10:30 AM
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particularly if you can manage to put some points on the board just as the first half ends. It certainly doesn't always work-out that way, but when it does, it's akin to two consecutive possessions.
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It depends on the game and the opponent
Sep 18, 2014, 10:30 AM
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Taking the ball first against a lesser opponent and imposing your will on them is one thought. That isn't the case here.
In big, high intensity games I think the Defense has the advantage first. How many times have you seen QBs sail their first several throws high because they are too pumped up? How will the backup QB respond? The natural assumption is he will be very nervous, take advantage of that.
This unique situation is much like extreme weather, you need to at least take it into consideration before making your decision.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Depends on your strengths. If we had a jam up defense,
Sep 18, 2014, 10:31 AM
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I would defer in order to set the tone from the get-go. If I had a fireball offense, I would not defer for the same reason.
If memory serves, Danny Ford usually deferred for two reasons.
1. We almost always had a very good defense
2. He liked to get the ball after half time and drive down the field to score. He felt this was a huge boost for our team and demoralizing to the opposition.
Against FSU, I would defer. I would not want Winston to have the ball right after the half (see #2 above).
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IMO, since you asked,
Sep 18, 2014, 10:36 AM
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to some here anything Dabo does after noting Cole as the starter must be wrong in their opinion.
I personally think our defense is our strength but they can wait their turn and continue to rest while our offense is warming up on the field.
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Think how demoralizing it could be to force a three-and-out
Sep 18, 2014, 10:40 AM
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ending with a bone-crushing sack. Then march down field to take a 7-0 lead. I could see where that might get in his head, too.
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Oculus Spirit [75714]
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I would always defer. I'm always afraid of the
Sep 18, 2014, 10:46 AM
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possibility of giving up 14 points without having a real possession. I also like the idea of doing that to the other team.
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Re: As best you can... w/o your only reasoning being
Sep 18, 2014, 10:51 AM
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In this case I think you let them have the ball. Just like us last year the excitement will be huge for this game. Don't let the back up calm his nerves sitting on the bench. Put him in the spotlight first and hope it provides similar results to our first possession last year. Add that to the momentum we can take away from Winston's entrance in the second half, by scoring, and I think the strategy out weighs the benefit of scoring first.
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Orange Blooded [4640]
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FSU backup will be nervous and they will be conservative.
Sep 18, 2014, 10:53 AM
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Clemson can pin back their ears and go after him, pinning them deep or force an errant pass, turn over, etc. At least force a punt and get decent field position for your first possession. Chances are FSU tries to control the clock in the first half by running and short, play action passes.
If FSU scores at end of half, Clemson gets first chance to answer. If Clemson scores or holds FSU at end of half, then Clemson gets both first chance to score, and limit FSU possession in the 2nd half, with or without Winston.
IF Clemson defers and FSU scores 1st possession of game with the backup, then we are not ready to play regardless.
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I think there's something to be said about keeping the ball
Sep 18, 2014, 10:53 AM
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away from Winston. Deferring would do that BUT playing defense first on the road is tough.
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Re: As best you can... w/o your only reasoning being
Sep 18, 2014, 10:58 AM
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My thinking is that it is more likely that FSU scores more often with the ball in JW's hands rather than the back up. I want to reduce the number of times JW is behind center. This is the only variable I can control.
Therefore I defer.
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CU Guru [1950]
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Put the unit that you think gives you the best opportunity
Sep 18, 2014, 11:06 AM
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to start the game on a positive note and increase your team's confidence level. You have to weigh both teams' offensive and defensive units and determine if it's more likely that you'll score on your first offensive drive or if you'll get a defensive stop on your first defensive drive.
In this particular game, I think our defense is more likely to get a stop to start the game. Last year I think Dabo was correct in putting the offense on the field to start the game every week, but this year I think our defense is the stronger unit.
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Maximize the amount of time their backup QB is on the field
Sep 18, 2014, 11:11 AM
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and minimize the amount of time their Heisman Trophy winning QB is on the field.
Also, our defense is the strong point of the team. Put your strength on the field first.
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Re: As best you can... w/o your only reasoning being
Sep 18, 2014, 11:12 AM
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Well here goes:
In THIS Saturdays case, if we when the toss, I would defer to the 2nd half!
That along with a nice SLOW methodical drive chewing up a little clock keeps the Famous Anus off the field a little longer....
Just sayin'
Go Tigers!!!!
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My opinion
Sep 18, 2014, 11:21 AM
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Limit the best player on the field for FSU! What if we defer to the 2nd half, yet this backup kid takes them down for a touchdown on their first drive of the game ? Makes it seem we should not defer, but does not change the fact that we get the ball first to start the 2nd half and get a chance to strike first after halftime.
I am of the opinion that defer is the best option at ALMOST all of the time, depending on what is happening with the upcoming opponent. This situation includes a heisman winner, and candidate again this year,(even with low moral character which has been taken out of the heisman campaign apparently) and he gives FSU the best chance to win. Do you doubt that he gives FSU the best opportunity to beat our Tigers ? Keep him off the field longer is best option. Dabo says it does not matter and that we play FSU, which is accurate but does he not also feel we have a better chance with him on the bench for as long as possible ? Hoepfully that is a rhetorical question since thats the only thing that makes sense.
And no I am not hating on the Tigers and our chance to win. I actually hate this happened, never like seeing that people have lost their common sense and do stupid things, but it happens. But we deal with the cards as they are dealt. My opinion is defer is rational thing to do regardless of your previous thoughts/beliefs.
Thanks for post, like the narrative.
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Re: As best you can... w/o your only reasoning being
Sep 18, 2014, 11:36 AM
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There are ups and downs either way.
If we get the ball and go score that's ideal. But what if we don't score, or 3 and out, or TO. Then Crabs get the ball to start 2nd half.
If they get the ball and we get a stop, or a 3 and out, or TO that's ideal. But what if they go and score?
The question leaves me wondering what Jimbo will do if they win the toss...
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Re: Jameis can't trot out onto the field for the first serie***
Sep 18, 2014, 11:39 AM
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110%er [5093]
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Isn't that pretty big assumption
Sep 18, 2014, 11:39 AM
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That you will automatically get 7 points?
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Legend [15748]
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To my understanding, that's easy.
Sep 18, 2014, 11:50 AM
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Our team will be the same the entire game.
Their defense will be the same the entire game.
Their offense will have a first-time starter running it in the first half and a Heisman winning, national champion, second year starter in it the second half.
Whether we start with the ball in the first half or the second half, we should have the same amount of plays (or rather, there's no reason to assume we won't).
FSU's starting QB, a VERY talented QB, will definitely have as much or more snaps if they start on offense in the second half than if we start on offense in the second half.
I'm not sure how this is even debatable. Naturally other factors come into play but they can't be controlled. This is just a mathematical reality.
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