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YOUR BALANCE
Streeter…
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Dec 13, 2022, 5:20 PM

I know we’ve only really seen 1 game with Klubnik, but do you think DJ just made streeter look bad as a play caller or did Klubnik make him look good?

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 13, 2022, 5:21 PM

Streeter will be fine. He was limited in his play calling with DJ.

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The entire playbook was scaled back for


Dec 13, 2022, 5:23 PM

DJ, and we still had issues.

The playbook opened up and was executed fabulously with the QB change.

Therein lies your answer.

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Re: The entire playbook was scaled back for


Dec 13, 2022, 5:31 PM

Was the playbook modified to complement DJ's strengths?

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Which are?***


Dec 13, 2022, 5:32 PM



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Arm strength, power rushing, and leadership come to mind.


Dec 13, 2022, 10:09 PM

Many OCs would LOVE the opportunity to work with a QB like DJ.

It felt like our coaching staff didn’t try to adapt the offense to DJ.

I’m not convinced that he is only capable of running a handful of plays well. Maybe he’s only capable of running a handful of OUR plays well, but that’s an indictment of our crappy offensive scheme more than it is of DJ.

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2 is a short list for a QB given what they are required to


Dec 14, 2022, 9:50 AM

do, but okay. I could list all of the necessary skills required of a QB in ALL offensive systems, but everyone other than you knows what they are.

Leadership: Leadership is required from a QB in any system and isn't really a "skill" that reveals itself more in one system over another. Perhaps DJ is a good leader behind the scenes, but he obviously lacks on field leadership. You have to be able to perform your job at a high level to be a leader on the field.

Strong arm: Downfield throws are already low percentage, but his inaccuracy made them even lower. His completion percentage for the season was 62%. The long snapper typically has strong arm, but I wouldn't put him at QB.

Power runner: In spite of his poor feet, slow decision making, lack of explosiveness, lack of athleticism, speed or quickness, Streeter was able to get 540 yards rushing and 7 touchdowns out of a power runner. Good for second best on the team. That is outstanding. Probably Streeter's greatest achievement with DJ limitations. That is what is often referred to as getting blood out of a turnip.

Your statement that our offensive scheme is "crappy" is an opinion in search of a justification, which you didn't provide because you can't.

Your 2 "strengths" simply proves his limitations and how Streeter was able to maximize his numerous limitations for a QB in a Power 5 program.

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If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right.


Dec 14, 2022, 10:24 AM

But I think it’s ludicrous to suggest that EVERYONE was wrong about DJ being an all world 5 star QB, and that our coaches are the poor victims of that.

Even if he weren’t a true 5 star talent, and he was *just*a 4 star talent, that should’ve still been enough for our coaches to have success with him.

Shouldn’t we expect our QBs to get better while they are at Clemson? DJ has been in our program for three years but it can be argued that he actually regressed in some aspects.

How many QBs that Streeter has worked with for an extended period of time showed notable improvement? I can’t think of any. So until he shows that he can coach up QBs, it’s safe to assume that DJ’s lack of development is a coaching problem and not a talent problem.

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Re: If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right.


Dec 14, 2022, 10:27 AM

No---DJ had/has confidence issues--it's between his ears. Not even the quick easy screens could get him comfortable---head case on the football field on Saturdays.

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I see. You got nothing but bitterness.


Dec 14, 2022, 11:09 AM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

You don't have anything of substance to add because there isn't anything to support your opinions.

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Also, in a discussion of DJ's strengths and weaknesses


Dec 14, 2022, 11:32 AM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

it's hard to avoid mentioning DJ's strengths and weaknesses.

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Re: If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right.


Dec 14, 2022, 11:50 AM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

did you ever consider that sometimes kids don't pan out? This could be for a variety of reasons. DJ has a limited skill set as a QB and has not progressed much over the 2 years. He is an awesome kid and great teammate by all accounts, a role model in that regard.

Lets go thru some of the limitations and you tell me which ones you disagree with.

From observation of games and watching reruns, which is limited and not knowing the play calls which is also limiting.

1. His footwork is average to below average, he does well for a few plays and regresses back.
2. He does not "feel" the pocket, he doesn't move in the pocket he stays where he plants.
3. He does not see the whole field.
4. He does not go thru progressions.
5. his situational awareness of yard to gain and getting the yardage needed vs a primary receiver was in play a few times this year in critical plays.
6. he never looks off the D backs/LB's he looks in one direction and stays locked (similar to previous comment but more to looking off D backs)

The kid has raw talent that is thru the roof, hope he can find a comfortable place and progress to a quality QB.

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Bingo. DJ is an AWESOME Tiger,


Dec 14, 2022, 7:05 PM

but his limitations, such as those you listed, cannot be argued. Fudge Smeller says we didn't adapt to DJ, but watching 10 minutes of the ACCCG proves we were calling plays specifically to suit him. Anyone with a shred of football insight and knowledge can see the deal.

The troll Fudge Smeller doesn't have a clue, and in reality she doesn't care. Her sole mission is to troll the negative narratives, well, because football shows just how pitiful the basketball program has been.

I like DJ. I like Brad. But calling a spade a spade isn't bashing, at all.

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Re: If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right.


Dec 14, 2022, 1:07 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

I think it was ludicrous to blame 10 other players and the coaching staff when you had one common problem and that involved decision making and accuracy from one position.

Everything will be aired out this next year, if the scheme is broken Clemson will get exposed again next year. Personally I agree the scheme needed an upgrade but the foundation Rpos, zone running, and read options and yes the dreaded screen game are solid imo. If they could attack the middle of the field more the offense would put alot more stress on the defense.

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You should be a NASCAR driver…


Dec 14, 2022, 1:08 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

“it can be argued that he actually regressed in some aspects.“

Qualifying seems to be your thing.


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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right.


Dec 14, 2022, 5:33 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

Well, the coaches could not have bumbled it any more by which one should have been starting.

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Wrong.


Dec 14, 2022, 7:06 PM

Cade was developing and DJ was winning games.

The end.

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OK, but....


Dec 14, 2022, 6:43 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

DJ has got to be the slowest QB in major college football. There isnt much a coach can do in that situation imho.

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Its not bashing to state facts, troll.


Dec 14, 2022, 7:00 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

Let's debate.

Criggets....

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Re: If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right.


Dec 14, 2022, 7:03 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

Maybe the problem was not Streeter not scheme not play calling. Maybe the Big problem with DJ was Big Dave in his head constantly. Big Dave and his constant promotion and high expectations would be poison
for a sensitive young son.


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Think about this -


Dec 14, 2022, 7:09 PM

If we called the same plays for DJ that we ran with Cade, how many games would we have won? 5, 6..?

The playbook and playcalling were limited by the execution. That's it.

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Did DJ get significantly better this year


Dec 14, 2022, 7:10 PM [ in reply to If you want to defend Streeter by bashing DJ, that’s your right. ]

Troll?

You don't even watch football, do you?

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Re: Arm strength, power rushing, and leadership come to mind.


Dec 14, 2022, 10:10 AM [ in reply to Arm strength, power rushing, and leadership come to mind. ]

We will find out next year, depending on where he lands...

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Re: Arm strength, power rushing, and leadership come to mind.


Dec 14, 2022, 10:33 AM [ in reply to Arm strength, power rushing, and leadership come to mind. ]

Sorry Judge,

But I have trouble seeing an offense that does not require a QB to read defenses and find the second or third receiver. Maybe some run happy offense like Wisconsin - maybe.

We will see where he lands and IF he earns the starting position.

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And we're ranked 7th, dolt.


Dec 14, 2022, 6:59 PM [ in reply to Arm strength, power rushing, and leadership come to mind. ]

Streeter got everything possible out of DJ, and he should be commended for that.

You know nothing about the game of football, troll. Although extremely weak and discredited 100's of times, you're better at BS basketball excuses.

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In Fairness His Lack of Athleticism Was Offset Greatly


Dec 14, 2022, 10:13 AM [ in reply to Which are?*** ]

by his Slow Movement, Thus allowing him not to fall down too hard and injure himself.

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Re: In Fairness His Lack of Athleticism Was Offset Greatly


Dec 14, 2022, 1:09 PM


by his Slow Movement, Thus allowing him not to fall down too hard and injure himself.




Bravo!

We all want him to succeed somewhere. And he seems to be the top QB in the portal to all of the sports press - the guy that (to I guess people outside of us) is considered to be a difference maker.

But I just can't imagine the offensive scheme under which this guy succeeds. I hope he goes to UCLA and is all-conference. But I just don't see it.

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Re: Which are?***


Dec 14, 2022, 12:57 PM [ in reply to Which are?*** ]

So you missed his freshman year?

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No, did you?


Dec 14, 2022, 1:09 PM

So far, I've gotten 2 "strengths" that really aren't strengths.

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Yes. Runs and <8 yard passes.***


Dec 13, 2022, 5:33 PM [ in reply to Re: The entire playbook was scaled back for ]



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Let's be honest, Streeter got water out of that stone.


Dec 13, 2022, 5:34 PM [ in reply to Re: The entire playbook was scaled back for ]

Love DJ, but...

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I firmly believe...


Dec 13, 2022, 5:23 PM

that play calling was narrowed, at least to a certain extent, by the limitations of the QB.

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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


Yes.


Dec 13, 2022, 5:36 PM

Both.

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Go back and watch the ACC title game again....


Dec 13, 2022, 7:09 PM

and look at the play calls from that game. Yes, the RB pass from Mafah was included, but you'll be surprised at how much zone read was called in the game. While Cade played lights out, the defense rarely pressed the WRs and rarely got pressure. Another way to put it is UNC didn't use SC's 2nd half game plan against us. Streeter's biggest problem has not been the first 15 plays of games, it's the lack of in-game adjustments. Once a defense finds success against our offense (usually by blitzing and also by pressing WRs on the outside), Streeter RARELY adjusted to it. He often forgets the middle of the field as well.

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Re: Go back and watch the ACC title game again....


Dec 14, 2022, 1:25 PM

That was an issue with DJ. He was terrified to throw the ball before a wr broke on a route. Press man or any tight coverage turned DJ into a deer in the headlights. He froze up. You can't expect 10 yards of separation every play, your QB has got to be able to punish 1v1 coverage by putting the ball in the right spot on time to get teams out of the single high looks.

DJ has never had to throw with anticipation and I think last year (2021) killed his development in that regard bc he lost faith in his wrs getting where they needed to be and got "over coached" into playing safer after his turnover prone year. In 2021 the wrs were a huge issue, had guys slipping and falling on routes, guys getting pressed into the dirt at the los, routes getting redirected. 2022 year there was some of that but it was greatly exagerrated and amplified by late throws and inaccurate throws. 2021 they had Waltons and swinneys out there.

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Exactly how are we 7th in the country?***


Dec 14, 2022, 7:13 PM [ in reply to Go back and watch the ACC title game again.... ]



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Re: Streeter…


Dec 13, 2022, 10:28 PM

I think Clemson has a very shallow playbook. Streeter has been an incompetent QB and coach his entire professional life, so I'm not quick to pronounce that he's actually a good coordinator because of one good game against the #115 defense.

I think we still largely use the plays Elliott designed for Lawrence. Streeter tried to shove DJ to fit into that playbook despite not having any of Trevor's abilities (not to say he's bad, but he's a statue pocket passer at best). Cade can actually run the playbook. It's still a bad playbook and he's a bad playcaller, but Cade can at least make it work more than DJ could.

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 9:33 AM

Maybe you would like to have Beamers new offensive coordinator. Streeter will be fine now that he has a good QB to work with.

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 10:35 AM [ in reply to Re: Streeter… ]

Pride,

How can anyone outside of the program know what is in the playbook ??

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 5:35 PM

I bought a copy on eBay from DJ...

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 1:04 PM [ in reply to Re: Streeter… ]

I think you summed it up nicely...

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 1:27 PM [ in reply to Re: Streeter… ]

UNC game they ran like 9 different formations. SCAR game they ran like 4. I think the playbook is deeper than shown.

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 10:30 AM

It's too early to tell about Streeter. The Orange Bowl will give us a better clue.

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Re: Streeter…


Dec 14, 2022, 1:03 PM

All I can say is we will see now. Klubnik is the best fit for this offense since Deshaun Watson, imo hes a better fit than even Tlaw(Tlaw is the best pure talent Clemson has ever had at QB). If Streeter cant make it go with the perfect motor then it's time to move on imo. This game and next year will tell all.

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