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Legend [19687]
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Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 13, 2021, 9:15 AM
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if players were paid. Well, here we are, and he's still coaching, and seemingly more motivated than ever. He actually was quite prophetic in regards to this, even though many didn't want to hear it. He's against players, blah, blah, blah. He's had a long time to think through this. He's always been an innovator in regards to program structure. He knows Clemson is at a disadvantage in this fight, yet here he is. Dabo is a forward thinker. He's thought of how he will do battle in this new world, understanding money will be a factor for many kids. But it won't be for all. When it becomes about money, it becomes far more about me. Jealousy, personal ambition, will be far more prevalent. I don't know how he will work through it, but I know he has a thought process on it. Many parents will still care who and where their kids play for. Dabo beat the system when he led us to the mountain top. Can he do it through this? I honestly don't know, but if I were a betting man, I would not bet against him
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Dec 13, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Oculus Spirit [90819]
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Comes down to The TEAM rather than its parts (individuals)..
Dec 13, 2021, 9:29 AM
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thus he’s now in a quandary, for sure!
In that many schools will cheat or circumvent the NIL (hello Texas) he & Clemson will be lucky to reach the top again (hello Cincinnati).
As stated it was a surreal & ecstatic feeling to have reached the CFB pinnacle of 6 play-offs and moving forward in 4, and then winning 2 Natties.
Good thing since it may never be experienced again but Clemson & Dabo can still say we did it the right way..with a blend of good young men with different talents molded into a TEAM.
Go TiGERS!
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not exactly . The Schools are NOT playing players. Iptay
Dec 13, 2021, 9:22 AM
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isnt writing any checks to students other than the scholarship/stipends/allowances they have always gotten.
IF you read the SHipley stories you can clearly see that Dabo has no issues with student athletes making money on their own.
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Legend [19687]
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He said this several years ago. For those questioning
Dec 13, 2021, 9:34 AM
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whether he would adapt, that's evidence he will. But we all know big money schools will be paying the players through donors. They're in on it though not directly. Many players will be making big money to sit on the sidelines. That 3rd team OL at Texas for instance. Some will be content with this, but not all. Most in fact will want to play. What I'm speculating I guess is just like we're seeing now with the NIL and portal, there will be consequences down the road no one is talking about now. If anyone is anticipating what those will be, my money is on Dabo
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donors paying players is not the same as Clemson paying
Dec 13, 2021, 9:41 AM
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players. Dabo isn't walking into any 1's house with an employment contract
IF he did, i'm sure the contract would have some sort of buy out clause.
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Regardless of where the money is coming from
Dec 13, 2021, 9:45 AM
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players are getting paid, and once that happened the loyalty moves towards the almighty dollar for many. A guy like Shipley is a model here. He's donating everything to charity. That type culture is astoundingly different from what we're seeing elsewhere. That type culture can be sold to parents and kids
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there is a big difference
Dec 13, 2021, 9:47 AM
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if the school was allowed to pay the player.. they would certainly have more control over said player.
Donors can push and pull funds at will...
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Re: there is a big difference
Dec 13, 2021, 9:54 AM
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The school is definitely supporting what the boosters are doing. So there basically is no control.
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cant legally stop it any more.. so even if they didnt
Dec 13, 2021, 10:08 AM
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support it.. what could they do?
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Legend [19687]
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The question is how to work ethically with it
Dec 13, 2021, 10:13 AM
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we know many won't, and that will have a negative impact on many kids who are now just chattel.
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Legend [19687]
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It's a contract
Dec 13, 2021, 9:54 AM
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and players are bound to that contract when they sign it. One year deal? Multi-year deal? The Texas OL situation seems to say they get paid regardless simply for being on scholarship as an OL at Texas. Guaranteed money. Now, Texas could run them off. But that's going to hurt them with plenty of kids. There are going to be unforeseen consequences here. It's a brave, new world
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Re: He said this several years ago. For those questioning
Dec 13, 2021, 9:59 AM
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You are mis-stating what Dabo meant regarding players "getting paid". He has always supported players being able to make money from summer employment (although very difficult these days with the summer commitment) or any other legitimate sources. I don't think he was in favor of the NIL, per se, but that is not what he was talking about when he said "players being paid to play football". Also, the NILK being abused by some schools is no reason to scrap it, but I agree that something needs to be done and it needs more structure to cut down on blatant abuse ...... i.e. Texas linemen.
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Re: He said this several years ago. For those questioning
Dec 13, 2021, 10:18 AM
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Spot on. He wasn't but just like with DJ, and Shipley, he's adapted. Imo, he's still against it, but he's not going to stand in the way. Nor will he actively push it either.
We all know the McDonald's bags have been going on since the beginning. True, you can do it much more openly now. That said, we'll lose some recruits but for the smart ones, his message to kids and parents will still resonate. The message of growing young men. Smart parents understand very few will make it big time.
As for Texas ol. Op above made a great point, that 3rd string ol may not have much insintive to practice hard, gameplan etc. May be content just to go to class, get the money and then move on. I can see that scenario backfiring.
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Re: not exactly . The Schools are NOT playing players. Iptay
Dec 13, 2021, 9:52 AM
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That is right and it is because Dabo and Clemson are approaching this with integrity and trying to do it right. The problem is not all schools and coaches will do it that way. When someone refers to players being paid I think they mean like what that group of Texas boosters banded together to do. The fact that it is being done by a group of boosters and not the school itself is immaterial. Their approach is to pay players just for being on the team. I don’t think that is what the NIL rules were intended to do. And you are also correct that if it is used as intended, Dabo seems to be all for it.
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Re: Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 13, 2021, 9:25 AM
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Yes. He will attract young men who want to play for a winner and who care about team and other people. Thank God there are still plenty of folks like this in the world. The greedy and self-centered players can go to other programs and ruin them.
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TU...I'm hopeful. But too soon to say Dabo has/will adapt...
Dec 13, 2021, 9:26 AM
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... we'll see very soon if your post is correct or not.
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I think we're already seeing it
Dec 13, 2021, 9:41 AM
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GeeVille just wrote about how he basically got Shipley his deal. Hood isn't writing that story from yesterday about taking transfers sooner rather than later without some knowledge of the situation. He's had Pearman scouting the portal for over a year.
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hope you're right... still want it to play out...***
Dec 13, 2021, 10:04 AM
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Are You Sure he isn't job hunting?
Dec 13, 2021, 9:29 AM
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Dabo knows he's now at a recruiting disadvantage and my be exploring his next gig.
At some point it may take a walk out from some prominent coaches and declare the NIL rules have made it impossible to compete on a level playing field.
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I personally don't think he ever coaches in the NFL
Dec 13, 2021, 9:37 AM
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just my opinion. Just not where his passion is, which at the root is for God and developing men. If/when he leaves coaching, he'll go in to something that furthers that. He's set for money, though he can still make a bunch of it. Just probably not in football
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Re: Are You Sure he isn't job hunting?
Dec 13, 2021, 10:01 AM
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Can’t be sure of anything unless you are the man himself. Maybe he becomes AD to try to combat this from an administrative position? I personally don’t think he is ready for that move but as I said - no one knows for sure what he is thinking except him. He will let everyone know his intentions and plan when he is ready. I’m hoping for many more years of, as someone put it the other day, “much the same”.
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Dabo CAN control his adaptation to......
Dec 13, 2021, 9:33 AM
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the portal.............take players from
roster management........offer more scholarships/oversign
etc.....
He CAN'T control how he "deals with" NIL at Clemson.........there's just not enough money to compete at Clemson.
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The NIL Is A Monster....
Dec 13, 2021, 10:06 AM
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In the closet.
In 5 years the major schools with deep pockets and sponsors will get the top talent .
USC has thousands of businesses that can chip in money to players for endorsements etc.
What's to stop Phil Knight of Nike from sending Oregon a 100 million to distribute to players for endorsing Nike ?
What's to stop T-Boone Pickens family and its ties to Oklahoma State from giving the players 200K or more a year to play there . T-Boone gave the athletic department 165 million and in total gave the University 652 million.
I can already see the animosity in the program from the players when a few of the players are making millions and the rest are getting crumbs in comparison . Imagine what it's going to be like if Bryce Young shows up to practice in his new Ferrari while his starting line drives Corolla's etc. I can see a future Heisman winning Tailback gifting his O-line Rolex's after the presentation.
The NCAA gets an F for not doing something long ago about paying the players .
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Re: Dabo CAN control his adaptation to......
Dec 13, 2021, 10:12 AM
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And the NIL is not only going to hurt sports (football) it is going to hurt academic’s also. A lot of donor money going their may go to other places like companies offering scholarships in order to find potential employees. That was how I got to Clemson (Former Springs Industry Scholarship).
Right now we are seeing most of the football players graduating in 3 years. They are set after football. With the NIL I am afraid that will no longer happen. It has been happening becaof the focus Dabo has put on education. With the NIL it will hurt this or gut it because the players interest will turn to $$$, what I can make now, then education takes a back door.
When they can no longer play football, they will be lost. I have seen this happen first hand. When we were building an a new wing to the Detention Center, one of the brick layers was a former #1 Draft Pick of a certain NFL team. When he could no longer play in the NFL he had nothing to fall back on and hadn’t saved anything from his playing days. We even found his Championship Ring at a local pawn shop. I talked to him almost daily. He told me he made a lot of wrong decisions. This is going to be what happens to College Football players because of the money. A lot will squander it. Dabo has trained them to be the best player and also the best man, if they listen to him and the assistant coaches. They maybe able to play in the NFL and if not, they have that degree to fall back on. This may not happen to all but it will happen to many.
Go Tigers!!!!!
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Re: Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 13, 2021, 9:48 AM
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Did he say he wouldn’t want to or that he wouldn’t coach?
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Re: Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 13, 2021, 9:54 AM
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No, he said that if UNIVERSITIES were paying players. The universities aren't doing that. NIL =/= employee of the school.
He literally got the athletic department to put together the "NIL Institute" to help his players navigate the world of it.
Since you want to use the talking points of the dirt peckers in Columbia - here is a break down of his actual statement in context here is a link: https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/01/dabo-swinney-understand-quote-context/
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Re: Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 16, 2021, 10:04 AM
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I feel NCAA FB is coming to an end with players being paid. Still feel it will have to go to court under Title IX. Still can't find anyone at Clemson to answer me if players start getting paid does college still pay for their tuition. I am so glad Trevor made comment that college players shouldn't be paid.
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Re: Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 16, 2021, 10:15 AM
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I agree with you. I think Dabo's thought process is he truly wants what is best for his players. When he made the initial statement it was almost a prophetic voie warning, "When we start paying players without a detailed program in place it could get out of hand.
I think his statement AFTER Travis Hunter's bombshell announcemnt was a shot across the bow of every NCAA university in the country.
I think Dabo (and every other coach) was thinking, "I never thought it would grow this big, this fast. It's already WAY out of control."
Dabo has to weigh his options.
1. Do I just walk away and wash my hands of it? I don't need this junk.
2. Do I stay and fight it?
3. Do I stay and just keep doing things the right way until things get so bad I'll have to leave?
I suggest he will take his time and not jump to any snap decision. I suggest he is weighing options 2 and 3 now. How hard do I fight? How do I fight? What is my plan to fight?
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I have no doubt he'll fight
Dec 16, 2021, 10:17 AM
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and he'll have plenty of allies
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Re: Dabo once said he would not want to coach college football
Dec 16, 2021, 10:06 PM
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My betting is on Alabama, USC, TAM, and Texas. My hoping is on Dabo. He is a coach, not a miracle worker.
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