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We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 1:46 AM
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Than they were when they announced the dropping of Men’s Track/Field, & across Country! Holy Cow! The optics of that announcement being sandwiched between IPTAY’s tripling of revenue since 2013 and the. The BOT approval of another $60 million plus stadium renovation was just really dumb and someone should be fired over it.
I think the optics of adding high $ sports that only wealthy white women participate in such as Equestrian, LAX, or Field Hockey would be super foolish and bad taste at least were the AD to go in that direction. Besides the optics, costs associated with these sports would be way more astronomical than alternative choices.
Those are supposedly 3 of the 6 sports being considered. I have heard that Triathalon, Women's Wrestling, and probably Beach VolleyBall are the others but I’m not sure....
I believe Women’s Wrestling should be strongly considered due to the fast rising popularity of the sport, the demographics that it pulls from, the low cost of the sport, no necessity of having to build a brand new over-budget facility (ahem...Softball) and the natural male counterpart that could eventually be a good add for the Future.
It will be interesting to see if they actually use their heads this time but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 5:21 AM
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Did you just make this up on the fly? Facts are greater than personal opinions......try it, you'll like it
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The word “optics” was used so many times...
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Apr 26, 2021, 7:43 AM
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That’s a pretty good clue the person doesn’t care too much about actual substance.
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 5:25 AM
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I think you are still a yankee.
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Pshhhh wealthy white women. Get that #### outta here
Apr 26, 2021, 5:37 AM
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 5:50 AM
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FIRE TNET ?
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 8:44 AM
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Seems the BOT missed out on the most intelligent person on the planet.
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I think this can apply here....
Apr 26, 2021, 10:14 AM
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WRONG BORED MORAN
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The track thing certainly played out poorly but it
Apr 26, 2021, 10:24 AM
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was cut during COVID, at the same time many other athletic departments across the country were also cutting similar programs.
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 10:41 AM
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I discarded your thoughts after your statement about softball which has been, and continues to be, a major success and a good investment.
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 11:06 AM
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Really, the primary drivers of which sport(s) to add will be: The number of athletes that can be added to balance the Title IX ledger; and The start-up and budget costs. LAX does not need its own field (initially, at least) - so costs can be mitigated - and, a TEAM SPORT adds many more athletes than an individual sport. (Think rowing vs. golf!)
And demographics may be considered in the discussion, but not current, but future, demographics. They'll be asking, what is the future of this sport (5, 10, 20 years out.)
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The sport that makes the most sense is lacrosse...probably
Apr 28, 2021, 9:27 PM
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fastest growing sport in high schools in the southeast, be it men or women's. Would add a good number, and we have facilities that could be used. I would not add a sport that isn't hardly played at all in southeast high schools.. aka women's wrestling. And Clemson already has an equestrian club team, which should be sufficient for that sport.
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Are we looking to add an NCAA sport or an “emerging sport”
Apr 26, 2021, 12:12 PM
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Only 1 D1 school has Women’s wrestling. Presbyterian.
That would be adding simply for the numbers. Seems like the most disrespectful add IMO. Making it obvious it’s strictly for the scholarships and not about promoting women’s sport at Clemson
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 12:26 PM
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At one time in late 70's or the 80's, Tigers had a very competitive women's field hockey team. It was dropped with very little reason given. Not sure on the time frame but we also had a very good wrestling program for guys back then. Things have changed a great deal since the days many of us were on campus.
But the planned men's track & field cessation and reinstatement is a "black eye" for the Clemson Athletic Department.
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 26, 2021, 1:59 PM
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Right now, there are 13 more men’s scholarships than women’s (assuming all available are used). There are no scholarships for women’s wrestling so scratch that one. Ice hockey (18), Equestrian (15), swimming (14), LAX (12), gymnastics (12), rugby (12), and field hockey (12) have the most scholarships among the sports we don’t already have. I doubt ice hockey (no rink), equestrian (very expensive given price to feed/maintain the horses); swimming (no pool, seemingly no desire to revisit it), rugby (no other ACC schools offer it), gymnastics (no facilities available).
Beach volleyball gets 0 scholarships (b/c we have an indoor team) so it doesn’t help title IX. Triathlon is only 6.5 scholarships.
That really leaves you with field hockey and lacrosse.
https://scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits
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Good breakdown***
Apr 26, 2021, 8:18 PM
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 28, 2021, 7:01 PM
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You will receive Olympics grants to help with equestrian. We have a great agriculture department that can provide Hay & share equipment. Really transportation would be your biggest expense. You won’t have to build a venue & upkeep a field of play in the same way as other sports. You could add equine majors to help with costs & growth.
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If it isn’t lacrosse, I’ll be shocked.
Apr 26, 2021, 10:08 PM
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And disappointed.
It’s the obvious choice. Of the sports being considered, it’s the one that we should’ve had long ago but for some reason never have. Most other ACC schools already have women’s lacrosse. It’s popular and growing quickly in popularity. We already have a venue (Riggs Field). It offers 12 scholarships. And it attracts the type of student-athlete Clemson desires (smart, generally middle-upper class, from suburban areas).
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Re: If it isn’t lacrosse, I’ll be shocked.
Apr 28, 2021, 6:00 PM
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And disappointed.
It’s the obvious choice. Of the sports being considered, it’s the one that we should’ve had long ago but for some reason never have. Most other ACC schools already have women’s lacrosse. It’s popular and growing quickly in popularity. We already have a venue (Riggs Field). It offers 12 scholarships. And it attracts the type of student-athlete Clemson desires (smart, generally middle-upper class, from suburban areas).
“Clemson desires smart, generally middle-upper class from suburban areas”?
Would you care to elaborate how and where you acquired this insight into what Clemson desires?
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Simple. Look at the profile of Clemson’s student body.
Apr 28, 2021, 6:49 PM
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Of course there will be some variation, but I described the overwhelming majority of students at Clemson today.
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I don’t think Clemson desires middle to upper class students
Apr 28, 2021, 7:49 PM
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from the suburbs more than smart, lower income students from urban areas.
From Clemson.edu
Clemson Tigers come from a variety of backgrounds.
We are looking for students who bring varied experiences, knowledge and talents to Clemson. For this reason, diversity, legacy status and first-generation status are considered when reviewing applications. We understand that not everyone has the same opportunities. When reviewing applications, your coursework, activities and curriculum are examined in the context of what is offered in your high school.
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As I said, of course there will be some variation.
Apr 28, 2021, 11:33 PM
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Diversity is a good thing, and colleges these days tout it.
But with that said, an overwhelming majority of students at Clemson grew up in at least a middle class home, are from a suburban area, and are intelligent.
I get the sense that my statement bothered you. If so, why?
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Clemson doesn’t desire smart affluent kids from the suburbs
Apr 29, 2021, 7:14 AM
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Clemson desires good smart kids from all walks of life.
One statement is true. The other is not. One statement insults Clemson and it’s selection process. The other does not.
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It’s not insulting to Clemson to acknowledge that Clemson has an ideal student.
Apr 29, 2021, 9:52 AM
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It’s not that a student from an urban area, or a rural area, or a lower income home is bad. Not at all. But if Clemson has its preference, with all else equal, Clemson will go with its ideal candidate.
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Re: It’s not insulting to Clemson to acknowledge that Clemson has an ideal student.
Apr 29, 2021, 10:57 AM
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It is insulting, and it’s not a nuance. That theme seems to always carry through your substantial body of work here on Tigernet.
Clemson doesn’t not seek out student athletes based on whether they live in suburbs or their class status. That’s simply false. As usual when confronted with facts, instead of simply admitting you’re wrong and moving on you double and triple down on things that simply aren’t true.
There are plenty of folks who run to your defense as a Clemson supporter; one in particular who is always Johnny on the spot, but I rarely see you support Clemson. I see you supporting one man who temporarily holds a position while discarding, insulting, demeaning everything else Clemson that is in your path.
One of the qualities that was further imparted on me at Clemson was humility. Clemson doesn’t appear to have that effect on you.
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If it isn't lacrosse, someone is just being stupid! Lacrosse
Apr 28, 2021, 9:36 PM
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as a fast growing sport in the high schools, and amount of high school participation in a particular sport should be one of the main criteria.
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Re: If it isn’t lacrosse, I’ll be shocked.
Apr 29, 2021, 9:48 AM
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Was talking to Mrs Noodle about this. We don’t think the AD will allow lacrosse to be played on Riggs. It would be like using Death Valley...not going to happen.
Since they’ve said they will add “one or more” women’s sports, we think they may add women’s and men’s lax and then add field hockey.
Our reasoning is that all of those could share one facility so costs would be somewhat mitigated.
Just a thought.
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Imagine still taking shots at the softball program lol***
Apr 28, 2021, 5:15 PM
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Re: We Women’s sport(s) selection...I hope these guys are smarter about this process...
Apr 28, 2021, 5:53 PM
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Most ridiculous series of words forming loose sentences I’ve read today, and yet the optics of your poast are even worse.
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will the women's wrestling involve mud? if so it could be a
Apr 28, 2021, 6:47 PM
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revenue sport! 
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