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CU Medallion [73569]
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Any uz guys do a 529 for college?
Aug 5, 2020, 9:24 AM
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Been doing one for about 5 yrs. Returns suck But it's state tax deductible and tax free profit. Is that federal tax free?
I'm guessing my return is about 4% a yr.
Thinking about stopping investments and putting my monthly into efts. But returns will be taxed which will reduce profit and no deductions.
What do lunge experts recommend?
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I finally get it
Aug 5, 2020, 9:31 AM
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You're going to need to put the milk in the freezer.
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Orange Blooded [4701]
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UTMA***
Aug 5, 2020, 9:36 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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Take it out and buy gold.
Aug 5, 2020, 9:40 AM
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Almost serious. Actually, kinda serious.
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Oculus Spirit [85166]
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*Unzips pants***
Aug 5, 2020, 9:43 AM
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Orange Blooded [2986]
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Doing both.
Aug 5, 2020, 9:48 AM
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529 is great if you know it will be used for college or even private schooling prior to college. All money/profits tax free when used for educational purposes.
However, we want to give the kids flexibility in the money we're saving for them. So, we're doing both 529 and UTMA (uniform transfer to minors account) with ETF/Stocks.
Our 529's are between 6.5-8% over past 5 years. I chose 2 of the more aggressive funds though. We'll see how it does over the next 5 to 10 years.
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CU Medallion [55664]
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yes, but meh.
Aug 5, 2020, 9:52 AM
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How old are your kids?
By the time they get to school, hopefully there will be higher ed reform to the point that you won't have to be a millionaire to pay cash for college.
Anyhow, as our financial advisor said long ago, it is not possible to save enough for college these days.
Yes we have a 529. Yes they have some benefits. No you do not have to use the Virginia 529. But all of them are tied to the stock market, and we have all seen what that can mean.
APM's advice - save what you can and figure out the rest.
Pray for higher ed reform (it will likely get better soonish).
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CU Medallion [73569]
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10 yrs left. got about 1 yr already paid for but should be
Aug 5, 2020, 9:56 AM
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a ton higher imo. wasted years
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CU Medallion [55664]
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Will give more details later, but tmale if you want.
Aug 5, 2020, 10:37 AM
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Since lil'APM is headed off in less than 2 weeks, this is top of mind for APM.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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Re: Will give more details later, but tmale if you want.
Aug 5, 2020, 6:45 PM
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Sure, tmale me any info u got
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CU Medallion [55664]
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deets are below
Aug 5, 2020, 7:19 PM
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xtiger
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Yes, for 9 years now. Did a big donation at each child birth
Aug 5, 2020, 10:02 AM
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Returns are 1-2% below other stock investments. Haven't contributed to a 529 since 2014. Comparing my 529 to another inactive investment account since January 2014:
- 529 plan returned +69.2% - Investment account +74.9%
Should cover at least 75% of college costs assuming stock market doesn't fall apart.
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Oculus Spirit [85166]
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We got 6 yrs for 6 year old and 2 years for
Aug 5, 2020, 10:08 AM
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2 year old.
Seems to be growing pretty well (TWSS). Ours are not tax deductible, just no taxes on earnings.
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All-In [29076]
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Does that mean you went with an out of stat 529?
Aug 5, 2020, 10:13 AM
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I've been looking at them the last few weeks and am probably just going to sign up for the SC one and put it on aggressive growth and cross my fingers.
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Oculus Spirit [85166]
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No, it is SC***
Aug 5, 2020, 10:50 AM
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Re: Any uz guys do a 529 for college?
Aug 5, 2020, 10:52 AM
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Once you put the money in the SC account, you can then transfer it to another 529 that has better returns (you choose the investment options) with vanguard or fidelity.
I think you can do this once a year without penalty.
Also, if it's not a self-directed SC 529, they are charging you a huge yearly fee, like 1.5%. Even if it is self-directed, they are charging you more than most places would charge and it's hurting your return.
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Heisman Winner [135504]
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Don't have that worry anymore, but if I had to do diffrently
Aug 5, 2020, 10:58 AM
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I'd do a 7.
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CU Medallion [55664]
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OK, to unpack this in more detail...
Aug 5, 2020, 12:22 PM
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Yes, we have 529s for our kids. They are NOT Virginia 529s. They are with Vanguard.
First I would recommend talking to your financial advisor. Ours (we have had two and we have an uncle who is one) have all advised that one simply cannot pay for college by savings these days. That does NOT mean one should not save, it just means that the 529 will be only one piece of the puzzle.
Why?
Because college these days is a bullsh*t racket that is far more expensive than it should be. There are myriad reasons for this and a lot of it has to do with the post-NAFTA economy, but just know that college is WAY more expensive than it used to be. See a great resource below.
So what to do then?
To use the PAW family as an example, we put $ into 529s as we were able, but only AFTER funding our retirement (one can borrow for college, one cannot borrow for retirement).
Now that lil'APM is about to go off, here's how it worked out:
He got into his top 3 schools (UVA, W&M, Elon).
He completed all the applications, etc. for aid and at the end of the day it was a wash - Elon (a private school) was about the same as UVA and W&M (public schools, but "public Ivies" - i.e., selective with a relatively small student body).
Elon was his top choice. They not only gave him a fellowship in his major, but also gave us need-based and merit-based aid, which public schools don't generally do.
So we are financing the first two years as follows: -lil'APM has a work-study gig on campus -lil'APM is paying for "spending money" -'lil'APM is taking on the student loans that are subsidized and interest free while in school
-Mom & Dad are using part of the 529 this year -Mom & Dad are paying a portion in cash -Mom & Dad are taking small loans for the balance
That will get us through the first two years. Elon has need and merit-based aid available to upperclassmen and all students each year, so he will apply for additional aid in the spring for next year. If our income changes what we pay will be increased or decreased. Many juniors and seniors get department-specific aid as they progress in their programs.
That's the best we can do.
Our financial advisor tells me if the Dems get elected in the fall, expect some student loan relief of some kind.
Also, if you want to understand more about how we got in the mess we're in with higher ed and why the COVID crisis is likely an extinction event for many small private colleges, this is a great read:
https://www.paultough.com/books/years-that-matter-most/
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Congrats on acceptance and college start
Aug 5, 2020, 10:55 PM
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Looking at those 3 choices, I would have a hard time not choosing UVa. Hope all the finances work out over the next 4 years.
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CU Medallion [55664]
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All three are great. Depends on the kid's interests.
Aug 6, 2020, 8:04 AM
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Elon has a great communications school, is very hands on with learn, small class size, a fellowship cohort, a living learning community in the dorms, and travel throughout the 3-4 years. Many Elon kids graduate in 3-3.5 years due to the extent of hands on learning and internships available during their course of study. UVA and W&M are more prestigious, but Elon was the right choice for lil'APM.
My advice to any parent now would be to make sure your child will get value for the money, not just a degree, at the end of their time in college. Otherwise, you're paying a lot of money just to party.
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CU Medallion [65983]
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Yes sir, I was on The five to nine plan
Aug 5, 2020, 8:17 PM
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Graduated right on time, in six years
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Forgot to mention: SC 529 plan run by a tranny loving cokehead
Aug 5, 2020, 10:42 PM
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Literally. Seriously.
The husband is a train wreck with connections. Shot up the house after a bad trip thinking ninjas were breaking into the house while wife and kids were upstairs. Swat team raided the neighborhood. Next night, same thing happened. Of course no charges filed.
The wife (ex-wife) also has political connections and claims she knew nothing of hubby issues. Trying to swing a reality tv deal. Hopefully they have enough smarts to hire the right investment firm to manage the assets.
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Oculus Spirit [83017]
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Yea, and the great thing about the plan in Florida is
Aug 6, 2020, 8:06 AM
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you can lock in the state tuition rate for when you start contributing.
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Orange Blooded [4701]
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As much as I loved Clemson and have benefited from my
Aug 6, 2020, 10:51 AM
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Clemson degree (I majored in something useful and in demand), as a FL resident it's getting harder and harder to justify paying out of state tuition somewhere.
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I’m looking at starting a couple up soon.
Aug 6, 2020, 8:16 AM
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Looking at the Ohio, Utah, and VA plans. Looking like it’ll be Ohio. And it sounds like you may need look at other investment options within the plan, or change plans to one with better options.
Regarding the cost of college that some have mentioned, if the government would get out of the student loan business the cost would drop like a rock. They charge so much because kids who have never had a job and have zero assets can get $200,000 worth of loans. It’s a giant market distortion where the inflation rate ends up being about 7%/year on average.
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Not to highjack the thread, but I understand
Aug 6, 2020, 10:55 AM
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having a 529 for my daughter... but what would be a good investment for future bail money for my son?
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CU Medallion [55664]
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Relax. The Woke crowd is ending cash bail.
Aug 6, 2020, 10:59 AM
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He be ahhite.
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Oculus Spirit [80999]
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What happens if you start one of these, and your kid
Aug 6, 2020, 11:01 AM
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ends up, I dunno, going to jail, or knocking up the girl down the street and doesn't go to college? DO you get all that money back, with interest? Or do they just say "too bad...the state needs some potholes fixed" and just takes your investment?
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I think if it's non-education related there's a penalty***
Aug 6, 2020, 11:05 AM
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so 15 yards and a loss of down?
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