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Announcers unintentionally made a point
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Nov 13, 2022, 12:14 AM

That went against what they were saying with stats. They were saying DJ has had no weapons and then proceed to talk about how many 100 yard receiving games the tigers have had. 44 games a wrs broke 100 yds from 2015 to 2020, then magically the last 2 years a big 0 for wrs going over 100 yards. So really think about the main thing that has changed the last 2 years, it's the QB. Blame playcalling all you want and blame the system all you want, but if you can't trust your qb you can't put the ball down field. There are teams with worse wrs that still find a way to get production from their passing game. Dj is a game manager at best. I saw plenty of good playcalling in the first half and a bunch of missed reads and a few near turnovers.

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His heart just isn’t in it. He’s not comfortable.


Nov 13, 2022, 12:18 AM

He’s got tons of talent, but he’s not an RPO QB and he’s not comfortable in his own skin on the field. Love the kid. Great ambassador for Clemson. He’s going to go on to great things, but he’s not going to be TL or DW.

We’ll grow from this. I’m of the mind the best is yet to come.

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Re: His heart just isn’t in it. He’s not comfortable.


Nov 13, 2022, 12:21 AM

I agree bc they have talent on this roster despite what ppl on this board believe. There's alot of talent at WR not being given a chance due to poor qb play. 3 years of DJ will hurt recruiting though.

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Re: His heart just isn’t in it. He’s not comfortable.


Nov 13, 2022, 7:57 AM [ in reply to His heart just isn’t in it. He’s not comfortable. ]

??

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Ah, but the real question is, could he operate in a


Nov 13, 2022, 8:09 AM [ in reply to His heart just isn’t in it. He’s not comfortable. ]

different offense.

In a Pro Style O-
He still has to read the defense
He has to manage the pocket
He has to make multiple reads
He has to make split decisions and anticipate receivers being open.

I don't know, do you?

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Don't get me wrong, I want him to be successful


Nov 13, 2022, 8:14 AM

If he is, then we all win. We cheer for him, we pull for him, we win! We are proud of his work over the summer. He has improved. He shows flashes of greatness. He made some awesome throws yesterday!
He has a good record as a starting QB. I am thankful that he is a Tiger. I wish him the best at what he decides after this season.

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Re: Announcers unintentionally made a point


Nov 13, 2022, 12:32 AM

I agree with the fact that the WR room has taken a huge step back from the previous decade. But when they made that stat about how we are one of 6 or so teams without a 100 yard receiver this year absolutely does not help the QB case. That shows even worse programs than us are having better outputs through the air throughout the season with even less talent. That's absolutely unacceptable. I don't blame it all on DJ though. It does fall on coaching too. Falls on QB coaching to get DJ ready to be a passer. Falls on play calling for not even making it a threat of it or scheming to make it happen. Falls on WR coaching to not get these guys to fight for those 50/50 balls. It's a glaring issue that needs to be fixed in the offseason.

If we had a good (doesn't have to be great) passing attack with our really good run game, this team could hang with anybody in the country.

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Re: Announcers unintentionally made a point


Nov 13, 2022, 12:50 AM

I agree that wrs aren't playing up to snuff in some areas, primarily blocking.

Everyone keeps talking about 50/50 balls, how about we actually hit the open wrs so it doesn't have to be a 50/50 ball, saw quite a few open guys today and many other games.

This season reminds me so much of the suffering and division Bucs fans had in the Jameis Winston Era, alot of ppl wanted to blame the coaches and the other 10 players ignoring the glaring issue on the field.

I will say though the coaches do try too hard to "protect" DJ maybe that's what stunted his growth. If he were a first year starter I wouldn't be mad if DJ had a game like Syracuse and they just kept making him go out there and sling it, coddling a QB is not good for his development. In that regard the coaches are at fault 100%.

Converting 3rd downs would really make this team dangerous but QB draw, screens, or what ever other "turnover safe" plays are killing the team.

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Remember an interview with Bill Walsh when


Nov 13, 2022, 12:54 AM

talking about some of his great teams and great receivers, including the GOAT, and he talked about as great as they were, you still had to scheme them open. Our passing game consist of screens and back shoulder throws down the sidelines. Every once in awhile a pass to the TE. We may not have the greatest talent we've ever had at WR but if sure looks like the scheme doesn't help.

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Re: Remember an interview with Bill Walsh when


Nov 13, 2022, 7:11 AM

Our passing game consists of a limited set of plays due to a lack of confidence in both the QBs and WRs. Our strategy for QBs has been to put all of our eggs in one basket. Worked well until DJ who has underperformed. We have missed on basically every elite WR we have gone after the last couple of years.

But if you think WR play is lacking just wait for a couple of years and see the impact of our RB recruiting the past two years.

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I thought the stat line they showed was 15-21…


Nov 13, 2022, 5:38 AM

Which I found odd, since DJ was QB last year, and the announcers seemed to be using it as one reason for his struggles.

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No no no. They were saying we had 44 100 yard receiving games during that period


Nov 13, 2022, 7:04 AM

But this year we have zero.

Six teams in the NCAA have not had a 100 yard receiver this year. We are one of them.

So they were saying we don’t have the talent now that we have had in the past at receiver. And that is true. But we still have some really good receivers. Last year the problem was injuries. And drops. But even when you add the drops back in DJ still had the lowest QB rating in the conference.

So yes, the talent has dropped off, but it’s not like we have absolutely terrible receivers. They’re just not playing fundamentally sound football.

But that’s far from DJ’s only problem or problems!

DJ is the only college quarterback I have ever seen that struggles to even hand the ball off. He’s just lost out there most of the time.

I think he has a ton of physical talent, but he’s not a good runner, that’s not a good fit for our system. But he’s also struggling with his fundamentals and has pretty much zero confidence!

He looked like a good runner in high school because he was a man among boys surrounded by a lot of talent. But he came in with a big head and ego, a lot of hype, and a lot of extra weight!

Also, and I have said this a few times going back to last year. Some guys are better off the bench. They come in when the starter gets hurt and put up big numbers. But when they are made the starter they crumble under the pressure. It’s much different being the starter with all the focus and the spotlight then coming off the bench. We see this in the NFL all the time. Some guys can handle the pressure of being a starter and some guys cannot. I think DJ struggles with his confidence and struggles with handling the pressure.

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So yes, the stat line was was 2015-2021?***


Nov 13, 2022, 7:09 AM



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Re: So yes, the stat line was was 2015-2021?***


Nov 13, 2022, 8:22 AM

Yes

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Simple questions?


Nov 13, 2022, 6:28 AM

Who is our explosive playmaker on the outside?

Who consistently wins 50/50 balls?

Who takes it to the house on a short throw?

If the answer is no one, you've determined where we've seen a huge fall off.

DJ is nor DW or TL, not even close. But are you going to say he would not have had far better numbers throwing to Sammy and Nuk like Boyd did than throwing to Who he has had?

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Re: Simple questions?


Nov 13, 2022, 6:45 AM

DJ is game manager at best and a high profile OC would get way more production out of this offense. The offensive coaching sucks from the top down and you see it translate to the field.

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Yep - it's a combination of DJ not being as good as DW4 or


Nov 13, 2022, 7:02 AM [ in reply to Simple questions? ]

TL16 with an added problem of not having a WR that is great/elite. Anyone that takes their orange tinted glasses off will see that for the past 2 years we have not had a receiver that opponents fear. We simply don't have a guy that can take the lid off defenses nor do we have a guy that requires double coverage. Seriously - name the receiver that opposing defenses are making adjustments to their base defense to address...crickets...

To me it speaks volumes that the best receiver we have on the team is Antonio Williams - a true freshman that didn't show up to Clemson until June 2022. Unfortunately the upperclassmen WR's have not developed into the types of receivers we have been accustomed to turning out at Clemson during our CFP run. I do believe Antonio Williams will eventually be that receiver that defenses fear but he's not there yet.

So is it WR situation coaching? Is it "misses" on the recruiting trail? Is it a combination of both? I tend to look at this as a coaching issue but I'll also admit that it's always too easy to blame coaching without knowing all the facts. However, the fact remains that we are average to good at the WR position and if we ever want to get back to competing at the highest level and shredding defenses again we must have a couple of great to elite WR's that give defenses fits.

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I lean towards recruiting


Nov 13, 2022, 7:43 AM

the explosive athleticism just isn't there. Maybe Randall after he fully recovers from the ACL can provide that. He's only 7 months down that path. But we need those explosive athletes on the edge again. Antonio is athletic and a natural receiver, but he's more Renfrow than Tee or Sammy. Guys like Ladson, Ngata who we thought would be those guys just do not have that type athletic ability.

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Re: Announcers unintentionally made a point


Nov 13, 2022, 7:13 AM

I think your analysis is flawed...

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Re: Announcers unintentionally made a point


Nov 13, 2022, 7:53 AM

I will gladly take the 250 on the ground and the W. It’s not sexy but very effective.

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