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New Story: Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"
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New Story: Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"


Mar 7, 2018, 8:01 AM

 
Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"

It’s too early to tell how successful Clemson’s 2018 recruiting class will be, especially since a few members haven’t even made it to campus. Through four spring practices, however, head coach Dabo Swinney said the early enrollees are as good as advertised. Full Story »


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Re: New Story: Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"


Mar 7, 2018, 8:21 AM

:)

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Re: New Story: Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"


Mar 7, 2018, 8:29 AM

Can't wait for your article after today's "half"scrimmage.
PS, also was excited to read this one.
Enough kissing up? Ha

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So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 8:54 AM

QB that gives us the best chance to win instead of just going with seniority out of loyalty?

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Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 9:09 AM

Kelly Bryant will start game one. Barring injury, that's almost guaranteed.

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Why?***


Mar 7, 2018, 9:35 AM



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Re: Why?***


Mar 7, 2018, 9:49 AM

Why not..it's Furman for crying out loud. Did he not do enough last year that says he could lead the team through Furman? The only thing that should concern anyone in regards to who plays is if KB starts, doesn't do well, and Swinney leaves the other options on the bench and allows a loss that could have been avoided. If that happens, then worry...until then, just trust who they put out there to win.

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I will trust Dabo's decision regardless


Mar 7, 2018, 11:13 AM

but I fail to see how it's a foregone conclusion that Kelly Bryant will start game one. The QB who gives Clemson the best chance to win *regardless of opponent* should be the one who starts game one. Because it IS "just Furman," and those are important live reps to give to whoever is going to be leading us against more stout competition.

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It's not a foregone conclusion.


Mar 7, 2018, 11:51 AM

Bryant undoubtedly has a leg up on everybody else, but the competition will be wide open. If somebody shows they can do better, they will get the start.

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Re: I will trust Dabo's decision regardless


Mar 7, 2018, 3:22 PM [ in reply to I will trust Dabo's decision regardless ]

Because they won't throw Trevor in the fire starting day 1...and fact is, he still has to learn the system, be able to manage the game...and surpass Hunter Johnson and Chase Brice first. Kelly would have to do A LOT of messing up in practices leading up to game 1 to lose the spot before game 1. Typically, the spot of a Senior "took you to the playoffs" QB would be changed through the season as games dictate. He's earned his chance, and as long as he manages the game properly, you'll likely see the others game 1 after KB gets a big lead on Furman. In the end, it's Furman, not Alabama. I think Kelly showed he can lead a team through the FCS groups without a hitch. Kent State 56-3...Citadel 61-3. You really shouldn't be worried about game 1...or if Trevor is starter day 1. The story you need to watch with Trevor is if he ends up planted in spot 2 by game 1.

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Seems like conflicting messages to me.


Mar 7, 2018, 7:51 PM

Don't throw him into the fire against Furman, wait until we're up against an opponent Kelly struggles with and THEN throw him into the fire.

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Re: Seems like conflicting messages to me.


Mar 12, 2018, 11:14 AM

Not really.

Furman, he can play BEHIND Bryant as a backup (which might even start coming in late 2nd quarter/early 3rd quarter), get his first experience at the college level, and it will allow the coaches to see how he handles it against a lesser opponent. What if he messes up, makes freshman mistakes? You'd want to lose to Furman? Or would you rather and experienced Bryant get us to an easy win, and Trevor gets to perform in the game later without the pressure of the entire game on his first college experience, where it builds his confidence before a bigger team is played?

Keep in mind, they also have to manage the mental aspect of these guys. You really don't want to destroy them mentally by throwing them in too early, they fail/make easy to fix mistakes, and don't recover well from it. That would NOT go over well.

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Because you don't throw a freshman into the fire unless...


Mar 7, 2018, 10:44 AM [ in reply to Why?*** ]

it's absolutely necessary. If KB was a dud who couldn't possibly win a game and we had a freshman backup who desperately needed experience behind him, a coach who was desperate to develop the freshman might throw caution to the wind and start the inexperienced player. That would be akin to going for broke, imo. It's done everywhere but never with the experienced talent we have.

Fear not, TL will take the starting job soon enough.

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Re: Because you don't throw a freshman into the fire unless...


Mar 7, 2018, 10:56 AM

I agree. Let KB take the team to a 28-35 point lead and then bring in the other guys (probably in the 3rd quarter). I hope Dabo keeps the foot on the gas and allows TL, HJ, and CB to toss the ball around, rather than handing it off and running out the clock. This way they will get meaningful snaps. If this means scoring 70, then score 70. Meaningful snaps should be the goal, not the other guy's feelings. And what difference does it really make if Clemson wins 56-3 or 70-3?

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Hunter is not a freshman!***


Mar 7, 2018, 11:10 AM [ in reply to Because you don't throw a freshman into the fire unless... ]



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I don't think he was talking about Hunter.


Mar 7, 2018, 12:00 PM

hth this helps

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Re: Why?***


Mar 9, 2018, 2:43 AM [ in reply to Why?*** ]

Why not?!? Until you make as much money as DABO our HERO, do not question his decisions! In the mean while... keep posting your meaningless post!

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Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 9:10 AM [ in reply to So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the ]

I don't remember reading about the qbacks in the article. Same old, same old.

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Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 9:35 AM [ in reply to So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the ]

I especially loved the year Stoudt played over DW4 the whole season...wait a minute.

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There is no room for fake facts like that in this


Mar 7, 2018, 9:46 AM

discussion. T-Net has decided that Dabo values seniority and loyalty over performance and wins, and that is that.

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Tigerdrafted


Mar 7, 2018, 10:00 AM

Tigerdrafted is a coot troll always trying to stir the pot by putting Dabo down and questioning his ability to play the best player. What he should really be concerned about is that that is exactly what happened with the coots when the coach’s son got the nod over a guy who gave up a couple million from the MLB draft to play at USuCk. His mom even tweeted before the UMass game about how bad the UMass defense was and that Bentley would probably put up good numbers. It happened and now Brandon is gone. Now they’re stuck with an average qb that turns into an interception machine when rattled with no viable options behind him. Now all that cootdrafted can do is make lame attempts to troll our board and question Dabo’s decisions because he knows the coots aren’t going to beat us on the field anytime soon.

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He played long enough for us to lose multiple games


Mar 7, 2018, 11:15 AM [ in reply to Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the ]

with one of the best defenses we've ever had.

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And there were good reasons for him playing


Mar 7, 2018, 11:48 AM

whether you agree with them or not, or even if it may not have been the correct decision in retrospect. It had ZERO to do with seniority or loyalty.

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So vague as to be meaningless.


Mar 7, 2018, 7:52 PM

"There were good reasons." Then what were they? It wasn't his arm, decision making, or poise...

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But we don't know the specifics, and I don't suppose we will


Mar 7, 2018, 8:40 PM

until Dabo tells us. But we all can be 100% certain about this: When arm, decision making, poise, and all things were considered, Dabo felt that Stoudt, at that point in time, gave us a better chance to win.

My only point in all of this is that Dabo did not play a player that he believed gave us less of a chance to win (Stoudt), while keeping a player that he thought gave us a better chance (Watson) on the bench. He did not place loyalty or "seniority" above results or winning. It is laughable and downright absurd to suggest that he did.

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I believe that he believed that, but I also believe he was


Mar 8, 2018, 7:15 AM

wrong. And also stubborn. Deshaun's very first drive of his college career, on the road in one of the most hostile environments he would ever face, he led us to a touchdown with a picture perfect pass to Charone Peake. I think most Clemson fans were ready to throw in with DW right then and there, I know I was. If it WASN'T out of loyalty, then Cole Stoudt must have been a practice all-star or something, because absolutely nothing we saw on the field of play indicated he was better equipped than DW.

I don't see how you can claim there were good reasons and then turn around and admit you don't really know what was going on. Obviously none of us do, but then how can we know there were *good* reasons for what is at least in hindsight a poor decision that cost us football games? Seems like blind faith when the evidence suggests alternate explanations.

And why must we bash anyone who has concerns that history may repeat itself?

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Dabo may have been wrong, in hindsight. I've said that


Mar 8, 2018, 8:55 AM

from the get-go. That doesn't mean there wasn't a reasonable process that lead to that decision, however. I know that Dabo knows at least a billion times more about football than you do. I know that Dabo has built a program that has been in the playoff the last 3 years, and won a national championship. I know that Dabo saw Watson and Stoudt in practice on a daily basis and talked to them and his other coaches about it on a regular basis. I know Dabo wanted to win every game, and his personnel decisions are based on that. Therefore, I can know that barring mental illness or some dark, far-fetched conspiracy, I can conclude that Dabo based his decision on a ton of information that was not available to you or me, and with a level of expertise and insight far beyond yours or mine. Therefore, I know he had good reasons for his decision.

If you don't believe Dabo had good reasons, then what on Earth were his bad reasons, given all of the above?

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Loyalty to Stoudt is the reason I presume.


Mar 16, 2018, 6:44 AM

Admitting that's all it is, a presumption. He could have transferred when he was stuck behind Boyd and left us with no alternative to starting a true freshman which USUALLY doesn't work out. This was a rare case, however.

Nice completely unnecessary jab there, btw. I'm not claiming to know more about football than Dabo. I'm just saying he's fallible. Good grief.

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Re: I believe that he believed that, but I also believe he was


Mar 12, 2018, 11:28 AM [ in reply to I believe that he believed that, but I also believe he was ]

Let's be honest, it seems you are remembering only one part of the aspect, and not the other. Yes, DW threw a great TD pass in that game...he also spent parts of that game running around like a chicken with his head cut off and getting nothing. So 1 good drive doesn't fully depict his performance the whole game when he was in. Also, that game got out of control because our defense and special teams couldn't stop Gurley to save their life in the second half. So it's not Stoudt that lost that game as much as it was our defense.

But you are also talking about the very first college game of Deshaun Watson's life, coming off a spring injury, played in Athens.

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The defense got worn out because three and Stoudt


Mar 16, 2018, 6:42 AM

couldn't keep the offense on the field.

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Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 10:24 AM [ in reply to So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the ]

Honesty over popular demand, I would go with Hunter Johnson and give TL a full year to let him get his compass completely set. Then back away and let HJ-TL, and CB fight it our next spring and fall. But I believe that for right now HJ is the most ready to take us to the promise land and 15-0!!!

We hear the talk about that one of those 3 will transfer, I'm OK with that as long as we get to keep the best two and start looking for the next #1 QB coming out of high school.

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Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 1:08 PM

KB was the best QB I saw on the field last year in a Clemson uniform.... He never looked as good after the ankle injury and the concussion. I thought KB on a gimpy ankle was better than #2! I do not know who the best will be this year, but i trust the coaches judgement and I would not be surprised if all 4 QBs play a couple of series against Furman.

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Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the


Mar 7, 2018, 6:02 PM [ in reply to Re: So does this mean that Dabo is finally going to go with the ]

I have to agree with allorange and disagree with you saying kb was the best qb we saw. We got a half game from ZC. We didn’t see enough of hj to make a decision. When he was in, we didn’t have our A team with him.

The second half of the year he was ready had he gotten the nod. One disappointment from last season is we built an offense for kb. I don’t want to see us do that this year. So far all the coaches tell us that we have to be able to run the “DW4 “ offense. I really hope they mean that and it’s not just coach speak... or whatever you want to call it.

Kb and the offense wasn’t able to build big leads and dominate last year to where hj could play the entire 2nd half. Saban was able to do that and played his true frosh a bunch. That’s why he was able to be so comfortable in the natty game. Wasn’t just luck.

One final note to op above. Uga went with true frosh and they Did have a pretty good backup.

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Re: New Story: Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"


Mar 7, 2018, 11:07 AM

Well all righty then , we should Def walk the dog this season.
15-0 looks good to me

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Re: New Story: Through first part of camp, Swinney says freshmen are as "good as advertised"


Mar 9, 2018, 2:37 AM

Well... opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one. Enjoyed reading all the post as always, but I trust our coaching staff who has taken us to the playoffs the last three years! They will earn their keep again this year, no matter all the non-coaching wanna-be's opinions! Just chill, watch and thank God we are TIGERS!! Just sayin'....

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