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OH WELL IF AN ARMY OFFICER SAYS IT.***
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and police officer
May 8, 2023, 9:15 AM
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"I'm a gun lover. I have guns. I'm a former police officer. I'm a former Army officer. But these M-4s, AR-15s, they've got to get off the streets, or this is going to keep happening," Spainhouer said on Sunday. "We've got to stop that at some point."
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I care even less now.***
May 8, 2023, 9:18 AM
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what if he
May 8, 2023, 9:27 AM
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watches Fox News? That would give him more credibility
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Sliding down the credibility ladder like the banana splits.***
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May 8, 2023, 9:29 AM
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But dude, if you consider fox-watching cops a source of truth, you do you.
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Re: and police officer
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May 9, 2023, 6:34 AM
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These statements always sound like the "I have black friends, therefore I can't be racist."
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Yeah!! Take away guns from law abiding citizens. Makes
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May 8, 2023, 9:16 AM
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perfect sense!!
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I’m not sure you get the irony of this thread.***
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May 8, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Can you spell it out for us stupids?***
May 8, 2023, 9:32 AM
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Lot o points [155696]
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Think about it.
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May 8, 2023, 10:27 AM
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The intent of 2a was to provide a check for US citizens against future hypothetical government tyranny. In such a hypothetical situation, who would be the most likely instruments of enforcement?—the military and the police. The guy he quoted is both of those.
It’s like trying to argue for removing presidential veto power and quoting a senator as your expert witness.
Message was edited by: Obed®. Typo
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Cops, especially chiefs of major metro departments,
May 8, 2023, 10:30 AM
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are notoriously anti-2A.
This is a huge blind spot for the NRA (especially when it comes to blacks). The NRA should have been marching on Minnesota when Philando Castile was straight-up executed for being a legal gun owner. Just one of several examples, but the NRA is dead-quiet because they don't want to cross the cop lobby.
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110%er [7190]
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The NRA represents gun manufacturers not gun owners.***
May 8, 2023, 11:00 AM
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I'm of the opinion they don't represent anybody now and are
May 8, 2023, 11:06 AM
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little more than a media publishing company.
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Which Police Chiefs are anti-2A?
May 8, 2023, 3:59 PM
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notoriously means you have to have proof of more than one as there are like 3700 Chiefs. So we need you to quote or have around 1200 to get a good measure.
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Are there 3700 major metro environments?***
May 8, 2023, 4:03 PM
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Re: Are there 3700 major metro environments?***
May 8, 2023, 4:09 PM
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“Whose side are you on? Gun manufacturers? The gun lobby? Or the children that are getting gunned down in this country every single day?” - Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo (2019)
“I understand public safety better than gun industry lobbyists and those elected officials who help advance their agenda. I can say with certainty that more guns are not the answer.” - Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel (2017)
Locally, the Mecklenburg County Sheriff was openly abusing COVID to slow-walk pistol permits, as were other county sheriffs, such as Wake. Both were sued (Wake County multiple times).
Here's some more background:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/us/as-states-expand-gun-rights-police-join-opposition.html
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Add this one, too
May 8, 2023, 4:11 PM
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“We are out outgunned. We’re outmanned. We’re out-staffed. We do need responsible gun legislation,” Phoenix Police Chief Jeri Williams, who is president of the Major Cities Chiefs Association, a group that represents police chiefs in large cities around the country, told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. “We do believe that there should be a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in order for us to properly serve and protect our community.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/police-organizations-gun-control/index.html
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How wrong are you looking to be?
May 8, 2023, 4:11 PM
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Because I can stop.
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Actually it would be a former senator as your expert witness
May 8, 2023, 1:31 PM
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as in the case of a former officer and cop who has no dog in this fight.
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Why did the cop have no dog in the fight?
May 8, 2023, 1:36 PM
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He shot it.
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no, it died when he retired from the force.
May 8, 2023, 1:57 PM
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But I do disagree with him that mental health is NOT a primary issue, and we already have half of the privately owned guns in the entire world, you would think we would be pretty safe by now.
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Mental health isnt the problem?
May 8, 2023, 9:33 AM
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He just disqualified himself for making rational comments...
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Re: Army officer says we need more gun control...
May 8, 2023, 9:52 AM
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We need more Thoughts and Prayers.
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In the next 10 to 25 years, will there be significant advancements in treating mental health
May 8, 2023, 9:55 AM
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that reduce the number of people with mental health problems?
In other words, what advances in mental health treatment are on the horizon to significantly reduce mental illnesses? It seems many articles are suggesting increases in mental health issues especially among the young. If the the latter is true, then the likelihood of increased mass shootings in the future seems greater given the availability of firearms.
Treatment of mental health is a noble objective but realistically, is it likely to create significant change? Hope my skepticism is wrong.
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certain people don't want to pay for mental health
May 8, 2023, 10:34 AM
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especially the right. That would require money to better the society around them. They don't want to fund that.
you could easily increase resources, support, and education around mental health. But that would involve gubmint and taxes. Big no no
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I need someone to explain to me...
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How we're going to keep murderous terrible people from accessing illegal guns and committing mass homicide.
Same way we keep people from accessing drugs?
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Re: I need someone to explain to me...
May 8, 2023, 10:11 AM
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Bad people will always find guns , knives, whatever, and do bad things. I would like to see a national constitutional carry. Put more guns in the hands of the good guys.
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Orange Blooded [4008]
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More guns is the answer
May 8, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Along with more thoughts and prayers. Now that is a winning combination.
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Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Go check their numbers.
Also check the % of US homicides that are actually suicides…
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 11:52 AM
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The chart was for an apples to apples comparison of high income countries like ourselves (our peers). Why are we so bad when compared to our peers?
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 12:42 PM
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Constitutional carry. It’s my right. Sorry but it just is.
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 12:57 PM
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Cool story Bro. Why are we off the charts with firearm deaths when compared to our peers?
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 1:23 PM
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I don’t know and it’s not for me to figure out. Here’s what I do know. I am a law abiding citizen who will never wrongly use a gun and my right to protect myself, my family and my property will not be infringed upon. Now you boys go figure out why bad guys hurt people.
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 2:05 PM
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Do you agree with NC_Tigah and RTDanny that it mostly has to do with skin color?
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Pretty sure what I just said is I will have guns in my home for protection and I really could not care any less what opinions are on the subject.
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 2:19 PM
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Yes, we know that you chimed in on my post and babbled unrelated to what I was questioning on death rates by guns per country. I'm playing along by spinning you in circles with your drivel. 😆
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Re: Interesting that Brazil is left outa the chart
May 8, 2023, 2:26 PM
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And I’m just telling you to figure out the cause while I sit here and clean my gun. Somehow I don’t feel like I’m spinning.
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Sorry to be the one to tell you
May 8, 2023, 2:31 PM
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But keep trying. 😆
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Re: Sorry to be the one to tell you
May 8, 2023, 2:36 PM
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I will. You enjoy your Starbucks and have a nice day.
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Where do people think illegal guns come from?
May 8, 2023, 11:04 AM
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What percent of them were bought legally before being lost/stolen/sold without a background check?
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So law abiding people shouldn't be able to have guns because
May 8, 2023, 12:50 PM
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somebody might steal it from them? I have to admit, that is pretty on brand for progressives these days.
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If you think you're not going to be able to own a gun
May 8, 2023, 1:36 PM
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if they make you store it properly or report it if it's stolen, you might be part of the problem.
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Oculus Spirit [79400]
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So if I report it as stolen it can't be used in a crime
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May 8, 2023, 1:44 PM
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anymore? And if my home is robbed and my guns are stolen, it's actually my fault if somebody uses them to commit a crime? Again, a very on brand take for progressives.
Let's face it, banning guns is the end game, and each little bit of gun control is just nibbling away to get there. After guns it will be knives, we've seen it play out elsewhere so it's not conspiracy theory to reach this conclusion.
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Ah yes
May 8, 2023, 2:14 PM
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the old we can't have common sense gun laws cause next they'll take away all the guns, classic. Try arguing against something like a proper storage laws or ending straw purchases on their own merits.
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Oculus Spirit [79400]
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Straw purchases are already illegal, and jamming an
May 8, 2023, 2:28 PM
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otherwise innocent person up with charges because he forgot his gun in his truck and it got stolen isn't going to to anything either. Not to mention, are you going to report a gun as stolen if you'll end up getting in trouble for it? No, you won't and neither will anybody else.
Which mass shooting would proper storage laws prevented? Maybe police and our justice system actually acting to prevent and prosecute property crime would be more reasonable instead of putting the burden on the law abiding, innocent citizens?
I'd say we need about a decade moratorium on new laws until we actually start enforcing the ones we have.
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Kinda disagree it's the end game
May 8, 2023, 2:52 PM
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At least, on the national scale; perhaps it is on a more local one.
I compare this to abortion. Abortion was literally the car the GOP dog didn't know what to do with when they caught it, and now it's ####### with local whackos passing crazy laws.
The Dems don't want guns banned, and if they do, well, they'll learn soon they didn't.
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Oh they want guns banned, no doubt about it
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They just know they have to do it incrementally. Notice the talk about banning all semi automatics now, that's the majority of guns in circulation and technology that is 100+ years old. After that they'll move to revolvers, cause they're basically a semi automatic anyway right??, then it would be "sniper rifles" aka your bolt action hunting rifle.
IMO this is one issue that we cannot give an inch on, cause once you lose those rights they're gone forever.
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You skipped my 1st pick in CQB... 12ga. bullpup. It's
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not the guns, it's the shooter... Every time.
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Re: Army officer says we need more gun control...
May 8, 2023, 11:07 AM
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Re: Army officer says we need more gun control...
May 8, 2023, 12:35 PM
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We just need more thoughts and prayers. If we do that, the problem will correct itself.
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Re: Army officer says we need more gun control...
May 8, 2023, 7:23 PM
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fark him and the tranny he rode in on
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Is this a non-binary trans officer or a real one?***
May 9, 2023, 1:55 PM
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