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Best part about last nights results
Nov 3, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Sorry someone may have already posted this, but I can’t bring myself to read through the P&R this morning.
Best part of the outcome, for someone like me at least, is that we saw moderate, non-MAGA, sane conservative Republicans win races in competitive states. They not only kept the Trump voters by simply being the republican candidate, but also were palatable to moderates and independents that voted for Brandon and cost Trump re-election. Doubling down on election conspiracies and the race to the bottom appealing to the lowest common denominator is not a winning strategy for Republicans, they need to disabuse themselves of the last vestiges of the prior administration and they’ll easily win in 22 and 24.
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Re: Best part about last nights results
Nov 3, 2021, 11:33 AM
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I think it had more to do with the incumbent supporting tranny rape in public schools.
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And honestly, I'm OK with that, much to T3's chagrin.
Nov 3, 2021, 11:34 AM
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Moderate adults of whichever flavor are much preferred to what we've had the last 5 years.
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No you’re not.
Nov 3, 2021, 11:42 AM
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It really burns you up that most people don't
Nov 3, 2021, 11:51 AM
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share your fringe, binary political mentality. Like, you actually believe that all Republicans are good people and all Democrats are bad people, and frankly, that's just weird as fuck.
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Re: It really burns you up that most people don't
Nov 3, 2021, 12:05 PM
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Newly baptized moderates are everywhere this morning.
Nov 3, 2021, 12:10 PM
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And they dont like being referred to as otherwise.
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Well, we generally have small-mindedness on this board...
Nov 3, 2021, 12:38 PM
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That boils down to simpleton views of, "If it doesn't agree with me, it's a raging leftist." Life doesn't fit into packages that neatly, and neither does ideology. But it creates a simple, comforting view of the world.
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That may be true, but in this first year of Biden's term
Nov 3, 2021, 1:50 PM
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there has been, on this board, voiced frustrations from me and other conservatives (I'll say that is what I am) with a flood of EO's, CRT (which is a real thing), disastrous border policies, fatal overspending and debt, politicization of covid and response, far leftist appointments for judicial and admin positions. All those opinions have been met with strong counter reaction from liberals here. And that is fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Did one person voice support for all of the left's policies this year? Maybe not. Did most or all of the lounge liberals voice support for at least some? Yes.
But this morning, from those same people, its all, "That wasn't me." Yes it was.
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Who is claiming "that wasn't me"?
Nov 3, 2021, 2:08 PM
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Your claim to true conservatism is questionable, but we won't delve into that. You backed Trump on his leftist actions of spending and EO abuses.
Your memory isn't good here. Biden was slammed for his EOs. He has been slammed for the border policies. We won't address the COVID stuff as you Trump apologists blind-eyed the #### out of what he did with that. Biden was ripped to shreds here over Afghanistan. He's been slammed for the overspending and the current economic issues.
You know why you're not getting what you want? Because this board got taken over by Miura posting the same god #### thing 10 times in one hour, and people didn't really wanna discuss it.
There has been little debate over what a trainwreck the Biden admin has been. I think what's really happening is y'all hoped there would be the same back and forth as under Trump because y'all ridiculously defended his admin. And I'm not sure why you suddenly want to start calling anyone who opposed Trump as a "born again moderate" for not acting the same way with Biden. Again, that's a simpleton view and one that Trump and Fox duped you into believing. Ideology is far more nuanced than that.
Here's the real truth: Level-headed moderates oppose Trumpism. Full stop.
Finally, CRT is falsely being labeled as a "leftist" policy because, well, Trump and Tucker. Who just simply throw labels around to get y'all stirred up. CRT has existed for a long time without so much as a peep out of y'all.
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Fine. That's where I'll at least be consistent.
Nov 3, 2021, 2:17 PM
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I don't know what Trumpism is, but I supported most of his actual policies, from border security to foreign policy. Didn't like the climbing debt, but don't know where that would have been without covid.
I didn't vote for him, and don't anyone should - and I said that many times - but I'm not going to come on here and say, "I didn't support his policies". Did then, for many of them, still do.
The rest of what you said is typical straw man stuff.
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Let's start from the beginning.
Nov 3, 2021, 2:42 PM
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You're throwing out an accusation claiming people said certain things leading up to today and are now pretending to be someone they are not.
Who, specifically, are you referring to? That way we can verify with their post history if your claim is true or not.
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If we start at the beginning we go to the one person I
Nov 3, 2021, 5:41 PM
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responded to, and if he wants to be reminded of a Biden policy he supported I might be willing to do that.
Generally, it doesn't work that way. In one example:
A political campaign worked with the FBI to establish a Russian collusion narrative for a collusion that never existed. We had that narrative shoved down our throats by (1) a msm that decided to make the following election about that and (2) everyone who supported Biden. One of Biden's appointees, the current AG, continued this practice of using the FBI for political purposes by directing the FBI to watch angry parents at school board meetings, the anger generally directed toward CRT.
That AG was asked this question in a Senate hearing:
"General Garland, you have issued no such directives for the FBI to watch any number of people who are known to be committing violent acts. It takes Congress months to get a response from your office on any matter. Yet 5 days after receiving a letter from a school board association, you direct the FBI to watch parents speaking in public, usually about CRT. We now find that your daughter and her husband own a company that produces CRT curriculum for schools. How is it that your directive to the FBI is not merely politically motivated, but personally motivated?"
He had no answer, instead repeated a talking point about violence. What he didn't do, btw, was to deny that CRT existed or that his SIL's curriculum was CRT. Or, to the point, that he used the FBI for political/personal reasons.
Those two events - the manufacture of 'Russian collusion' and the use of the FBI to do it, and the AG's use of the FBI for political purposes - cannot be separated. Now people have had enough it it, and enough of the rest of Biden's far left agenda. Biden's policies are not a surprise to anyone. He told us all he was going to do these things. It doesn't matter if someone voted for Biden only because he/she thought Jill was really a doctor and that Hunter was a cool rockin' guy, one can't now say, "Hey, it wasn't me." It was.
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How are they indoctrinated?
Nov 3, 2021, 2:43 PM
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You think CRT has indoctrinated people? Into what?
Were you indoctrinated into anything in school?
I thought Felix disappeared years ago.
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Re: How are they indoctrinated?
Nov 3, 2021, 2:53 PM
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Re: Newly baptized moderates are everywhere this morning.
Nov 3, 2021, 1:07 PM
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Or else you're just coming around to seeing people for what they truly think?
If you add up my political views, I lean left but am within what I'd call the moderate zone. On some issues I'm libertarian, on others I'm in favor of more restrictions. Just depends on the issue.
Nothing newly baptized about it.
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This is not about you personally, is an observation/question
Nov 3, 2021, 11:47 AM
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about some responses on this board vs the msnbc doubling down.
There has not been a Biden admin policy that has not been supported by you and other libs on this board. Spending, borders, unprecedented exec orders, far left appointments, CRT ... you name it, all defended it. Now that it appears that the nation is rejecting this, some of the libs here are going pro moderate, backing away from much of the hard left stuff.
Why is that?
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Me? I think you're mistaking me with somebody else.
Nov 3, 2021, 11:55 AM
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I've certainly made fun of the posters on here who are terrified of what Tucker tells them CRT is. I doubt I've even commented much at all on the other stuff, much less vehemently supported it, but feel free to pull some posts to show me I'm wrong.
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Not trying to win a debate. My memory's enough for me. I
Nov 3, 2021, 12:00 PM
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asked a question, I have your answer.
You aren't the only one doing it.
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OK, cool.***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Name names.
Nov 3, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Don't be shy.
And I haven't seen anyone here support his spending proposals, his border policies, the EOs... all of that have been heavily criticized.
In fact, no one here has really defended the Biden admin. You're either making it up or haven't really been paying attention.
But tell us: which "libs" are now going "pro moderate."
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Asked and answered.***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:04 PM
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Asked and not answered, you mean?
Nov 3, 2021, 12:10 PM
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You a moderate too, now?***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:11 PM
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Re: You a moderate too, now?***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Apparently.***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Definitely not.
Nov 3, 2021, 12:33 PM
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But like many here, I think you mean anyone who disagrees with you on anything is a leftist.
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Re: Definitely not.
Nov 3, 2021, 2:11 PM
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He means like me.
Seriously, in 1-on-1 conversations about specific policies all of us are probably closer than we would initially think.
I do believe, however, many on the democrat side suffer from a severe amount of group think. IMO this group think is part of the mainstream party line.
On the right you've got the "stole the election" group, but I don't consider them mainstream. I really do not believe there are that many republicans out there that will tell you "they truly believe the election was illegally stolen." I'm drawing a line here...I do not count those not disagreeing with the stolen election people as being part of the group. If I was in office, I'd say nothing about it to try and get support from both sides or not preclude support from either side.
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Well, that's certainly not how he remembers it.
Nov 3, 2021, 12:54 PM
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I kid, CUinTulsa.
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His mental state may have something to do with it.***
Nov 3, 2021, 1:12 PM
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Re: His mental state may have something to do with it.***
Nov 3, 2021, 1:31 PM
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Nah, it’s been mostly crickets from the crowd who spent 4
Nov 3, 2021, 12:13 PM
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Years in uproar over anything Trump did. Now when pressed, most will admit they don’t really support some of Bidens actions, but to say everyone has been “highly critical” is just false. The biden admin gets the kid glove treatment.
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He's been trashed here.
Nov 3, 2021, 12:36 PM
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Regularly. And few defenses offered.
When Trump was criticized, it was mega threads of weeping and gnashing of teeth from his loyalists. Biden has multiple OPs daily trashing him, usually repeat subjects, and they go without any real defense. That should say all there is to say.
Everyone here tore him apart on Afghanistan, and justifiably so. Everyone here knows this admin is a trainwreck. What else is there to debate?
With Trump, some people were cluelessly defending it as a good presidency, and that's why there was so much discussion.
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A lot of what Trump was being criticized for was nonsense
Nov 3, 2021, 12:48 PM
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too. A lot of it got flat out ridiculous, some of it was deserved, much of it was just propaganda.
We can't even get a reporter to ask Biden a non scripted question, where's the outrage from the anti fascists folks? Trump tweeted covfefe once and we heard about it for a year, Biden is hardly able to coherently read a teleprompter and it's just kind of slid under the rug. Remember the media questioning Trump's cognitive ability? Where are they now?
There may be nobody really defending the Biden admin, but the people who spent the better part of 4 years wilding out over Trump are noticeably silent now. And I think that says all there is to say.
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I did a quick Google search
Nov 3, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Of Biden and cognitive ability, and articles/videos popped up from USA Today, WaPo, NYTimes, CNN, Fox. I read a piece on it in TIME last night.
Maybe Trump's got more play because there was more concern about harmful crazy man actions whereas Biden seems to be dementia. I dunno. But it's being discussed in the media.
There's a distinct difference between Trump and Biden for those "wilding". Biden is clearly incompetent but not intentionally malevolent to our nation. That couldn't be said for Trump.
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Really? Because I just did the same search and saw one
Nov 3, 2021, 1:08 PM
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opinion piece from the desmoines register that questioned his ability, another one where Jill Biden said it's outrageous to question it, one where 14 House members wanted him to take a cognitive test, and another saying the criticism of Biden has "turned vulgar". I didn't see any major news outlets openly questioning it, maybe your google algorithm is different than mine.
You don't think the very fact that you attribute Trump's actions to malevolence and not Biden's is pretty clear bias on your part? Why does Biden get the benefit of the doubt? Many of Biden's policies are indeed detrimental to the country, if not the whole world...
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Re: Really? Because I just did the same search and saw one
Nov 3, 2021, 1:16 PM
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ou don't think the very fact that you attribute Trump's actions to malevolence and not Biden's is pretty clear bias on your part?
Maybe, but I don't see anything out of Biden himself that indicates he's willing to tear down our institution of government for his own personal benefit and power. He's pretty status quo, and he's clearly incompetent. I don't know why you think that's giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm calling him as I see it: He's a bad president.
And there doesn't seem to be much debate on that.
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Biden's basically a walking corpse, he's not making any
Nov 3, 2021, 1:28 PM
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decisions. He's a puppet for his party, a party who has spent the better part of the last decade+ attempting to convince Americans that our country is inherently racist and bad, so it needs to be 'fundamentally transformed'. That's a hard sell to convince me that they're trying maintain status quo, and a lot of the nonsense in the supposed 'infrastructure' bill seems to prove they aren't.
Granted, they're not trying to tear down our institute of govt., they're trying to make it all powerful.
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So who do you think is actually in charge? Who is
Nov 3, 2021, 1:46 PM
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wielding the power behind the curtains? Kamala? Maybe she's a puppet too. Soros? Gates?
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It's a good question, wouldn't we all like to know?
Nov 3, 2021, 1:50 PM
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Do you think he's making his own decisions based on what you've seen?
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LOL, are you still pretending he's in his right mind?
Nov 3, 2021, 4:24 PM
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I guess that's whatever loony tunes progressive media you subscribe to is telling you. Don't trust those lying eyes!
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Funny you didn't deny my point, at all.
Nov 3, 2021, 4:47 PM
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and before you try to pull "and you didn't deny mine!!!!!!!" rebuttal, let me say that I think his mental faculties aren't all there, but I don't think he's a puppet. And what diminished mental ability he has doesn't scare me the same way Trump's mental issues did/do. Biden's aren't a threat to the country the same way Trump's were/are.
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What was your point? That the only reason I think he’s not
Nov 3, 2021, 5:46 PM
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Making his decisions is because right wing media? Which is kind of silly considering he’s visibly incapacitated…so you think he’s not all there but he’s still making presidential decisions? You don’t think that’s kind of ridiculous given how stressful the job is?
At least you’ve come far enough to admit he’s got cognitive issues, it wasn’t but a few months ago that you tried to deny that. I mean he’s alienated all of our Ally’s over Afghanistan and his weakness has China testing Taiwan, but nothing to worry about there. That’s among other things….
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I think you are heavily influenced by right-wing media.
Nov 3, 2021, 6:04 PM
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Yes. That is my point. Do you find it interesting that you parrot exactly the same message as right-wing media with the idea that Biden is "incapacitated" and is a puppet (use of "puppet" is extremely telling here) but fail to cite who is pulling the strings which is exactly the same issue right-wing media has with the argument? I sure find that interesting.
But I know you've said in the past that you don't listen or read any right-wing media or media and you do all your own research and investigations and all of your beliefs have come from your direct observations so, I'm probably wrong.
I don't remember denying Biden has cognitive issues but I also saw him in the debates where he looked fine. But, he's 78 so I assume he has some cognitive issues and I've said before I'd rather we quit electing 70+-year-old people to be president for the very issues you cited.
Note: I'm gonna leave the Afghanistan/China debate for another time as that's a much deeper discussion and doesn't really fit with what we're talking about here.
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I have said from the beginning….before he was even the
Nov 3, 2021, 6:29 PM
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Presidential nominee, that I thought he had dementia. I’ve based that off of watching him and comparing him to people in my family who have gone through it. I don’t need any media to tell me what I can readily observe, and I’ve never suggested that I knew who was pulling the strings. Id like to know, if we had an honest media maybe they’d ask.
All I know is I see a dementia riddled man who I know from experience with others in his condition doesn’t have the energy or cognitive ability to function as president. The next logical question to ask is who really is? I personally think you are so eaten up with pure progressive propaganda that you often can’t see what’s right in front of your face, hence the “must be right wing media!” Knee jerk reaction to what most objective people would see as a rational question/observation.
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Curious then, how did you feel about Trump?
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and what was your reaction to the same claims about him having dementia?
To me, the claim that someone has dementia is different than saying they have mental degradation. That's where you and I differ. I don't see a man who has dementia with Biden nor with Trump, but I do think both have some sort of mental degradation (Trump also had severe personality problems). I don't think their lowered mental faculties keep them from doing their jobs and I think any rational person can come to that same conclusion.
In terms of being objective, I'm pretty clear when I say I have a bias. I think it's silly to claim "objectivity" if you frequent the P&R board at all. I'm aware of my biases and while I could do a better job of it at times, I do try to think about the source I'm getting my information from and whether or not it should be trusted.
Here's where I think we differ though, I might say I get my news from NY Times/WaPo/Economist along with twitter, NPR, and then local news. To you, all of those sources are sources of "liberal/progressive propaganda" and can't be trusted (I also sometimes read Wall Street Journal, but that doesn't fit my point). This clearly begs the question of where one should go to get unbiased news/information? And what are the chances that what you cite will be heavily right-wing or at least will be heavily promoting the idea that the other sources are "biased" and that you should only listen to them?
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I saw no outward signs that he had dementia, and he seemed
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pretty sharp for his age. Are you actually watching Biden? His speeches, mannerisms, the way he walks, look on his face, etc.? I have a hard time believing anybody that actually watches the man cannot see that he's got severe cognitive issues going on. He seems to have better days than others, but that's common for people with dementia. Have you ever been around someone with it? You don't think there's a reason he's not allowed to take unscripted questions? What's your take on that? At least Trump would stand up and take questions.
I read a lot of those too, mix in a little Washington Examiner and Glenn Greenwald substack, big fan of Victor Davis Hanson as well. Talk radio I listen to Tim Pool a good bit, Andrew Wilcow is another one of my guilty pleasures. I feel like I get a pretty well rounded take on the issues.
However, I think many people are incapable of filtering out the B.S. I go in wary of any source, and very seldom do I take what I read at face value. It has to logically make sense for me to believe it. Most progressives seem to do the opposite, they have their preferred media and whatever they say they take as gospel. That's how you get absurd beliefs like we can power the country on solar panels and wind mills, or that there's 12 different genders, or that we can simultaneously have a welfare state while letting in mass amounts of immigrants. It's really not unlike the Q-Anon people, which is a big reason I think progressives go after them so fiercely. Flip side of the same coin.
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person. woman. man. camera. tv.
Nov 4, 2021, 6:55 PM
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If you think Trump seemed sharp for his age...we are firmly in two different worlds. The similarities between him and Biden are actually pretty striking when you consider both had trouble with individual words, speeches, walking, stairs/ramps, statements, logic, memory, etc...
My take on why Biden doesn't take as many questions is because he saw how badly those sessions went with Trump. He and his team have decided that not doing is better than doing it and having a "drink bleach" moment.
We've talked before about how both sides feel exactly the same way about one another. And this statement fits that to a tee, "It has to logically make sense for me to believe it. Most progressives seem to do the opposite, they have their preferred media and whatever they say they take as gospel." Just switch out "progressives" for "conservatives" and the exact same sentiment is felt from the other side. I always laugh at the irony of it. Btw, It doesn't help your point to then throw out a bunch of right-wing talking point strawman arguments right after making that statement.
Qanon is its own thing that, hopefully, both sides laugh at. I don't see any one on the left thinking RFKjr is still alive and about to return or that Keith Richards is secretly JFK. Although, I know there are some house members that have spouted some Qanon beliefs so that's...worrisome.
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Re: person. woman. man. camera. tv.
Nov 4, 2021, 7:01 PM
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Re: Best part about last nights results
Nov 3, 2021, 11:47 AM
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Trump still on your mind
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cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 11:55 AM
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And we see what that got them in VA. Time for a diff song.***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Re: cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:37 PM
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People that fall along the center of the spectrum do still exist, even in such a highly partisan world. I know it doesn’t make for very fun T net P&R wars. It be what it be.
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Re: cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:43 PM
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Re: cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 12:49 PM
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The ones on the extreme right that frighten me are the anti-intellectual, education-is-bad, anti science, queers-can’t-marry, prohibition type culture warriors. Them and the conspiracy dont-trust-the-doctors-or-any-authority people. I find that every bit as off-putting as the weirdo tyranny #### race war gubment free everything take my money type squad bernie bros. Honestly I think the common denominator is just stupid people, I don’t like and can’t tolerate stupid people.
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Re: cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 1:40 PM
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I’m perfectly happy with the middle too and I don’t disagree with your generalization of the far left. However, I don’t think the far right is just looking to maintain the status quo any more than the far left is.
If the far right could snap their fingers, abortions would instantly be illegal regardless of situation, a myriad of financial and environmental regulations would be abolished (many that are actually needed), folks could open carry a howitzer, prayer would be mandatory in what few public schools were left after funding was gutted in favor of Christian charter schools, and it would take two forms of photo ID and a signed affidavit just to exercise the right to vote…at the only precinct left open in the inner city.
With that said, I don’t want the left snapping their fingers either…but both, not just one of them, would like to fundamentally change the country for their own purposes and power. Those of us in the middle vote as needed to try and keep either nightmare from coming true. I think government works best for all of us when there is compromise and balance…but that’s become almost impossible.
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Re: cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 1:44 PM
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Oh, yeah, Rs would NEVER do any of those things.
Nov 3, 2021, 1:53 PM
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What they WOULD do is refuse to seat a SCJ because an election was almost 270 days away. A decision I'm sure you'd be perfectly fine with had the OTHER party done exactly that. The prospect of court-packing, which hasn't happened (and won't), was in direct response to this thing that DID actually happen.
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Re: cereally, the only one's that keep bringin him up a Dems***
Nov 3, 2021, 3:39 PM
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That’s fair to a degree, but one only need to look at a state like Texas to see that the gap between hyperbole and reality is smaller than we might think.
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It will certainly be good if R candidates know that they need not
Nov 3, 2021, 12:42 PM
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“Kiss the ring” to get elected. There are several things that Trump did that I thought were great, but the culture of absolute loyalty and the antagonism and lack of dignity were not something I want to see moving forward.
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Re: It will certainly be good if R candidates know that they need not
Nov 3, 2021, 12:50 PM
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Exactly
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Re: It will certainly be good if R candidates know that they need not
Nov 3, 2021, 4:13 PM
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This is the difficulty, though.
It's hard to walk that line when one side is claiming - with zero evidence, and tons of evidence to the contrary - that one side is cheating and in fact appears to have launched a monumental effort to cheat the electorate and overturn an election through a variety of means that are still in the process of coming out. The whole point of democracy is you honor the results. Trump isn't and continues to lie about it.
Anybody who supports that is by definition not supporting democracy. That's what makes Trump an absolute zero, full-stop NO-vote in my world. The dude is yet another tin-plated wanna-be autocrat who wants to just ignore the rule of law and the concept of democracy and do whatever the eff his tiny brain wants that second.
No. There's just no two ways about that for me. Men like that are called "Fascists" - even though like the liars they are, they co-opt that term and throw it at their opponents in a stupid game of "I'm rubber you're glue" - but that is exactly what they are.
Democracy occurs between the center-left and center-right lines of the political spectrum. Trump is far right...and he's forcibly dragged the party over the line with him.
I have zero worries, personally, about Youngkin. He's no Fascist. In a normal world I'd prefer him to a Democratic candidate. The problem I have with Youngkin, personally, is he's transparently shown an unwillingness to stand up to the Fascist who's still ruling the GOP with an iron fist.
When Trump calls on him to do things that are not consistent with American values or democracy, will Youngkin stand up to him? I'm dubious.
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Man, you have been in full Rant mode the last couple days
Nov 3, 2021, 4:19 PM
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about Trump. Wheeeeeeew.
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Re: It will certainly be good if R candidates know that they need not
Nov 3, 2021, 5:25 PM
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If the GOP expels him and quietly slides back to the center-right and respecting fair and free elections I'm probably voting GOP again. People vote with their wallets and fiscally I'm a lot more GOP than any kind of liberal.
Tim Scott wouldn't worry me a bit. Nikki Haley wouldn't worry me a bit. Now, somebody like Ted Cruz or Tom Cotton, or somebody far more rabid like Marjorie Taylor Green...no way, no how.
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Re: It will certainly be good if R candidates know that they need not
Nov 3, 2021, 5:35 PM
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Yep, the move away from Trump helped win for Youngkin
Nov 3, 2021, 4:22 PM
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He still had to toe the line and accept Trump's endorsement to get the Trumper vote, but he clearly distanced himself from Trump and that seems to have worked. It'll be interesting to see how this affects other Republican candidates and how they run going forward. I'm not sure it can work nationally, but we'll see.
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