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An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:35 PM
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One of the members over at ElevenWarriors.com, CincyBuckeye, has reviewed some tape of the Clemson Tigers and has posted their personal scouting report. I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree with CincyBuckeye's view of your beloved Tigers, but I am curious to get your takes, on his scouting report. The forum post can be found at the following link - http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2016/12/78370/some-game-film-observations-on-clemson
Some highlights
-"Overall, this Clemson team doesn't punt often at all. Their drives end in touchdowns or interceptions a large majority of the time. I view this as an encouraging and, at the same time, intimidating fact. The offense is legit."
- "Watson is good. No need to discuss further."
- Please don't hesitate to hop on over to ElevenWarriors.com, as we would love some dialogue from the opposing teams fanbase.
Go Bucks!
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dude, the state of Ohio sucks and so does Ohio state.
Dec 22, 2016, 1:38 PM
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Please leave SC and take all your midwestern friends with you.
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Re: dude, the state of Ohio sucks and so does Ohio state.
Dec 22, 2016, 1:39 PM
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If you don't like the state of Ohio, don't move their lol. I can not leave the state of South Carolina, because I am not in the state of South Carolina.
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Re: dude, the state of Ohio sucks and so does Ohio state.
Dec 22, 2016, 1:40 PM
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there*
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Re: dude, the state of Ohio sucks and so does Ohio state.
Dec 22, 2016, 1:44 PM
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We suck
Y'all already have us beat
We might not even show
See you there
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Re: dude, the state of Ohio sucks and so does Ohio state.
Dec 22, 2016, 2:04 PM
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Did you read the article? Most of it was glowingly positive. The weak points the author mentioned are the same things I've been hearing from my Clemson-fan co-worker ever since the pairing was announced. You will find very little homerism at 11w.
I encourage you guys to go over and set up some accounts and interact with the members. We've had Okla guys and VT guys the last couple years and it's been fun to share some dirt of our respective teams.
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You might want to reconsider that invite...some of our
Dec 22, 2016, 2:45 PM
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internet "fans" are not house trained and may make a mess over there.
You have to realize that our internet "fans" aren't used to having opponents that aren't trolls, so they'll doubt you and act like asshat$.
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Hey SCBuckeye...checked out your forums and they look
Dec 22, 2016, 3:29 PM
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like the same troll crap we see everywhere else. Not really interested in reading ad hominem attacks on the South, our fanbase and school. I'll just stay here and read attacks on the Midwest and Ohio State and its fans.
Peace...until 12/31.
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Re: Hey SCBuckeye...checked out your forums and they look
Dec 22, 2016, 3:38 PM
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That's fine. Every fan base has his crazies and certainly the South is a target for most northern schools' fans.
That said, the articles (not the forums) are quite well done. If you stay on the main page of 11W you should come across some pretty good articles about both teams. Their writers are talented and produce some good content.
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I would say the same about TNet...front page is good
Dec 22, 2016, 3:58 PM
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but the forums can be a bit unhospitable to opposing fans.
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Are you ever gonna fix yo "X"***
Dec 22, 2016, 4:06 PM
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Ask crump. Many of us who are longtime members
Dec 22, 2016, 4:12 PM
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but former donors are stuck with the x. I suppose I could start paying again and then fix it...so I guess the answer is no.
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Well it looks like they fixed the problem...better?***
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Re: I would say the same about TNet...front page is good
Dec 22, 2016, 4:09 PM
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True, however, I don't think I've seen one Clemson fan on there yet. I had been expecting at least a couple brave soldiers to venture over and talk shop. In the past I've seen Sooner and Hokie fans on there and I can't remember anything negative occurring.
My bet, if you go over there and make a legitimate comment on the Clemson team, you'll be warmly welcomed. I'll buy you a KK donut in honor of Walt if you aren't.
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Don't worry. As soon as our feathered "rivals" find your
Dec 22, 2016, 4:48 PM
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board they will certainly join in, pretending to be Clemson fans. They are still licking their wounds (can chickens lick?) so it might take them a while.
Be careful with the KK talk. Some ####### violin playing cake-eater on espn will get pissed and start actively pulling against tOSU. 
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People can say what they want, but SC is a go to spot to live in.
Dec 22, 2016, 1:54 PM
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It's not an issue as long as Ohio stays clear. Myrtle Beach is the same way. All the houses have Ohio state flags.
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I'm only assuming because no one stays in Ohio.
Dec 22, 2016, 2:04 PM
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Your own people think the state sucks. I heard Cleveland is great this time of year.
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Re: dude, the state of Ohio sucks and so does Ohio state.
Dec 22, 2016, 2:23 PM
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Let me guess, you're proud of your "southern heritage!" "Pride" ... Why shew away fellow Americans because they're from the northern parts? Lol, you guys are the worse.
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article lost all credibility when it said our punter is good.
Dec 22, 2016, 1:41 PM
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I didn't realize 35 yard punts were good.
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This was my initial reaction too. If there is one glaring
Dec 22, 2016, 2:25 PM
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weakness on our team, it's punting.
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TL;DR***
Dec 22, 2016, 1:42 PM
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:44 PM
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Somebody snap shot this to Ray Ray. I smell a couple jet sweeps coming.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:45 PM
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CMoney - Ohio State has struggled mightily this year with defending the jet sweeps. I can assure you I am very worried about Ray Ray in this game.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:48 PM
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He is very explosive but he does drop passes and should never be a PR. He is great in space though and is as shifty as any player in the nation. He is still a work in progress though but he is amazing in space.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:50 PM
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That is very similar to Ohio State's PR situation. For the past few seasons Dontre Wilson (committed to Oregon before flipping to Ohio State to kind of show you the type of player he is) has been Ohio State's PR, but after numerous muffed punts, Urban Meyer finally moved Curtis Samuel to PR. If Wilson was PR against Clemson, over/under would be set at two muffed punts in that game.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:53 PM
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I would bet Samuel is back there as will Scott be for us. Possessing the ball is key. Though both could very well break on especially Samuel. Scott is very underrated though if yall give him a chance he can make you pay.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:56 PM
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Call me crazy, but I'm not concerned with Mike Williams at all. Ohio State has two first round talents on the outside at the CB positions in Gareon Conley and Marshon Lattimore. However, Ohio State struggles to cover slot WRs and Scott could be in for a big day. I'm talking 12 catches 200 yards and 2 TDs big day.
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Probably Jordan Leggett as well.***
Dec 22, 2016, 2:02 PM
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Re: Probably Jordan Leggett as well.***
Dec 22, 2016, 2:05 PM
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Yep the way they try to stop the run Leggit will be open on play action a lot!
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:03 PM
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I sure hope he does but if you guys play man idc who you have a corner Mike will get the ball thrown his way and there is nothing they can do to stop him. The best CB in the NFL wouldnt shut Mike Williams down. You better start being concerned because he will it yall up if there is no help up top.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:15 PM
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Williams has made a lot of "great" corners look ordinary. The threat is that when you have Williams, Cain, Scott and Leggett out in routes, Watson finds the open man. Then when you bring in #13, he will fool you with his possession receptions on 3rd downs. Bank on at least 5 or 6 deep balls to Cain and Williams throughout the game. Chances are Clemson will hit on at least 3 of those.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:45 PM
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Gallman is much more than okay. Much better than Mike Weber. That is a disgrace to say he is "OK". Dude is a great back and Ohio St will be sure to find out.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:48 PM
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I think they are both studs.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:51 PM
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Weber has great vision and is shifty just needs to add a little strength IMO. He is young and will be once again another great back before he leaves Ohio St. Gallman has been at Clemson 4 years now he is polished and has become a great all around back. The best at pass pro in the nation IMO.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:54 PM
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Mike Weber also excels at pass protection. He is a very good back, he just doesn't have the breakaway speed that Elliot had.
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Elliot was a great player and actor. I loved him in StarWars
Dec 22, 2016, 1:58 PM
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Nm
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 4:37 PM
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They underestimate Ray Ray.
Gallman, he does run into lineman more often than I care for.
They under estimate our secondary, we are stout in a dime coverage and I bet that's what you see to ensure a DB Hybrid guy is on #4. Their WR's are not better than our DB's and dude won't have time to throw anyways.
Our O will throw all day, I don't care who your DB's are, our guys are Elite at QB/WR/TE. Watson can light up any defense he proved that time and again.
If they can Run on us consistently it will be close. If we can shut down the run it won't be close unless we give them freebies like NCST Louie & FSU.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:46 PM
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Saying Tank is not physical is absurd.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 1:59 PM
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His offensive break down is pretty, although I would say his assessment of Gallman is off base, both games he watched, FSU and Pitt, they were playing the majority of the game with at least 7, often times 8, in the box (Pitt used a lot of 9 men in the box actually). Defensively Tank, Carter, Johnson, and Smith don't shy away from being physical almost to a fault, and they're not afraid to take someone down in the open field. I'd also like to point out that during the Pitt and FSU games we were called for more PIs than any other games this season, so maybe the DBs did back off a little bit in fear of getting another flag. He's right about our LBs coverage skills, and the TE shovel pass did beat us to death against Pitt, but since that game Venables has gotten that corrected and a team has yet to get more than 2 yards off of that play. I just have to laugh about him saying we have a good punter, seriously Teasdall maybe be the worst P5 punter.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:01 PM
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From what I have seen from Ohio St is they run the ball as good as anybody. The zone the QB draw the sweep. I expect them to throw in a couple of counters because that has killed us this year. JT is very good with nobody in his face but he does not have poise as DW. We will be bringing the heat and make him throw early. As long as we contain him we will be good but is much easier sad than done. We have to gang tackle for sure, he is a beast. 4 and 80 are very good WRS and the TE is legit. I suspect we go man a lot and I do not see Ohio Sts WRs winning a lot of battles. I know Urban will draw up some mismatches with our LBs though. On D Ohio St is about as good as it gets. They get great pressure with just 4 man fronts. They stuff the run as good as any and their DBs are dang good. We will have to take what the D gives us which we are usually great at. DW will have to play smart and makes some big plays with his legs. I do expect a few stops by the Ohio St D but DW is as good as it gets on 3rd downs and will keep a lot of our drives alive. I see us scoring atleast 35 points. I know Ohio St has a great D and does not give up a lot of points to anybody but they have not played an O like Clemson and I do not see any team stopping us on Offense if we are clicking. Not Ohio St or Bama. As long as our D limits the big plays we will win. It should be a good game but I expect Brent Venables to have a great gameplan and shut Ohio Sts O down for the most part. Good luck to your buckeyes they better be ready to bring it because I know our boys will be. I am going 38-27.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:08 PM
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While I agree JT isn't as dynamic as DW, I would have to say I trust JT more. JT is VERY good at protecting the football, running it or throwing it. He is not careless with the ball.
But, on the other hand, he can't influence the game like DW can, as DW is a much better open field runner and has a better arm.
With that one qualification I think the rest of your analysis is pretty good. I may disagree with the final score you predicted, but your takes on our team are fairly accurate.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:11 PM
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Just gonna leave this here. The buckeye fans are loving bringing up 15 interceptions from Watson. Let me help break it down for them. 4 of his interceptions were off tipped balls by the receivers. 4 others were when the receiver broke off the route. That leaves 7 at the hands of DW. I'll let the game speak for itself.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:18 PM
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It doesn't change my point though: DW has higher highs than JT, but JT is more consistent. JT had a couple tipped/through the hands INTs as well, so let's just say 3 true INTs for JT and 7 for DW. JT seems to protect the ball more.
It was also not a secret that through the first 6 or so games of the year most Clemson fans were wondering what was wrong with DW. Even in the Louisville game he struggled and threw three (I think it was three anyway) picks - IIRC two were poor, poor throws.
BUTTTTTTT, DW can absolutely light it up when he's on. Which DW will we get? The answer to that question will go a long way to determining the winner on December 31st.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:29 PM
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What happened through Clemson's first 6 games was simple. The run read option for DW was taken off the table until the FSU game. If you watch the games, DW was held back. The Clemson offense doesn't run as well when you take that option off the table. No one is saying that Barrett isn't a good quarterback, and saying Barrett takes care of the ball better is not as cut and dry. If you're only saying that because of the INTs, then ur talking about a whole difference of 4 when DW participated in about 70+ more plays (based on passes and rushes). The good thing for Clemson is that DW is on top of his game and is out to prove he was slighted where the Heisman was concerned. That's a bad thing for OSU. Just my opinion of course. If it comes down to a 2 minute drive at the end of the game, I'll put my eggs in DW's basket.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:33 PM
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So I've been wondering about this Heisman slight deal. I'm constantly hearing callers complain about him not winning, Dabo has mentioned it in the pressers, and DW said he was the best QB in the country. Are you Clemson worried that instead of raising his game he might press too much and end up making some mistakes because he's trying too hard to prove something?
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Hmmmm
Dec 22, 2016, 3:05 PM
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You might want to consult @coachmac on this one....
I know @gwptiger would agree
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More consistent?
Dec 22, 2016, 2:38 PM
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DW's completion percentage is 67.7, JTB sits at 61.8. Not a big difference, but this seems to suggest that DW is more accurate, despite the INTs
Also, it's hard to be more consistent then being a Heisman finalist for 2 consecutive seasons...
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Re: More consistent?
Dec 22, 2016, 2:43 PM
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First, let's be honest, three of the guys on that Heisman stage didn't deserve to be there. Second, this is probably the weakest Heisman class in a longggggg time. College football in general was down this year, and yes, I include my own OSU team in that analysis. This OSU team wouldn't make the top 4 in any other year.
I mean consistency game to game. I think Buckeye fans, though frustrated with his lack of development, can almost exactly predict the stat-line of JT. DW can through 5 TDs, 400 yards, and run for another 100 one week and then throw three picks the next. That's what I mean with consistency.
Again, he's one hell of a player, and clearly one of the best in college football.
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I see what you mean...
Dec 28, 2016, 10:25 PM
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But what do 3 of the 5 finalists not deserving to be in NYC this year have anything to do with Watson deserving to be there twice?
Also, Watson is 30-2 as a starting QB, with one of the losses being the National championship game to Bama. Again, hard to be more consistent than that....
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To me, JT is a lot like Tajh was for us...I'm sure tOSU fans
Dec 22, 2016, 2:53 PM
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remember Tajh. He wasn't flashy, the best passer or the best runner but he was consistent, played hard, protected the ball and won a lot of games.
People on this board are greatly underestimating JT's impact, IMO.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:20 PM
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I admittedly have not read the article yet but will later...
But I will say this. You Ohio State fans are almost too affable
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 2:20 PM
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And it freaks me out.
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I see you've been appropriately welcomed the to boards...
Dec 22, 2016, 2:34 PM
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Anyway, I read the breakdown there earlier and can't really disagree with anything said. I've only watched 2 of your games. Michigan and Wisconsin. Both games I felt OSU should have lost had those teams not made mistakes. Ironically what I read on the Penn State loss, OSU was the better team in all categories except the scoreboard so it works both ways.
My overly simplistic take on this game...
OSU Defense - secondary needs to bait Watson into turnovers
OSU Offense - need to find a way to take advantage of some of the coverage weaknesses we have at LB and 2nd corner.
Clemson Defense - Don't let Barrett be a runner, collapse on him from the inside
Clemson Offense - Must be able to run the ball and be balanced on offense. OSU secondary is the best we've played and balance will be the key to not playing into that strength.
It's a really interesting matchup. Our secondary can be had if you can give Barrett time to throw. The problem with that is your O-line has a couple of weak spots and Barrett has struggled with accuracy. We are tough to run on but if you can get past the D-line our LB's are not strong run stuffers. They are disrupters in that they want to shoot gaps and make plays before they develop. If you can block us straight up there is always 5-6 yards to be had up the gut, if not more. I think Pitt exposed how aggressively our DT's get upfield with a shovel pass. That seems to have been corrected, but if I'm OSU, I'm running some QB draws and middle screens to get a free pass through our D-line and attack the weakness of the LB's defending the running game in space.
I think the Clemson offense, when clicking is hard to stop. Our o-line isn't great at run blocking, but if we commit to running watson more, Gallman is actually a better blocker than he is a running back. It will be tough to bring safeties into the box to counter the extra blocker we gain with watson as a runner because of his ability to throw any receiver open in single coverage. This is where, if OSU is going to make stops, you'll have to disguise coverage and get Watson to make a bad read or two, which is clearly possible as teams have done this all year. The OSU secondary is good, but I don't know how they can account for Cain, Williams, Renfrow and Leggett. You can't single cover any of them consistently except maybe Cain as his one forte is the go route, though he's started to run better underneath routes as of late. Leggett is an NFL TE that creates the same types of mismatches that a Travis Kelce does. Too big for a safety, to fast for a LB to cover. And I hate to typecast Renfrow as the "route-runner" because he's a better athlete than he gets credit for, but he is a precision route runner and if Watson is delivering passes on time, it's really hard to disrupt their timing.
Basically our WR/TE vs your secondary is a great matchup, it's strength on strength, but I think the slight advantage goes to Clemson as Watson is the type of QB that can throw receivers open and read defenses well for the most part.
Looking forward to a well played game. I'm sure Meyer is going to have an offensive gameplan ready for us and I'll be interested to see how Venables counters. To really good football minds playing chess when OSU offense and Clemson defense is on the field.
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Re: I see you've been appropriately welcomed the to boards...
Dec 22, 2016, 2:50 PM
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Nice writeup. And of course it will be key for both special teams units to create as long a field as possible. Long fields killed us against Michigan.
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I wouldn't expect to see us kick any "long" field goals...
Dec 22, 2016, 3:00 PM
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it seems like we generally just go for the first down, with varying degrees of success.
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Re: An ElevenWarriors take on Clemson
Dec 22, 2016, 3:01 PM
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It's a decent write up. Tank is a little too handsy, but he doesn't need to be. Hope he plays the way we know he can.
He missed on Gallman, though. There are a couple of games that wouldn't have been close if we had just fed Gallman the rock (Louisville). He's our heart.
Our LB in coverage is definitely a concern, as is our punting. The best part about our WR is the depth. If OSU puts a lockdown corner of Williams, then we'll go to Scott, then Leggett, then Cain, then Renfrow. Ohio State is very talented on defense, but they don't have the depth in the secondary to cover all of our guys.
Basically the game comes down to this, we are going to score, and we are going to bring pressure on defense. I expect Ohio State will score as well, but ultimately if Barrett can make plays with his arm, then I think OSU wins. If we rattle him, contain the run, and he misses receivers like I saw against Michigan and Wisconsin, then I think we will advance.
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The entire Midwest does not suck all the time.
Dec 22, 2016, 3:05 PM
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Can't speak for all of Ohio but my little area in SW Michigan does not suck for 7 months of the year. Dec through April = Suck. My town's taxes suck too year round. With that out of the way...
I thought overall the elevenwarriors blurb wasnt bad. I've stated in other threads that I think that it is a pretty good site.
The analysis covered two games - for those two games:
*I agree that Tank at times looked overmatched. There are reasons PI was called often.
*I agree that Gallman was not outstanding with the ball in his hands, but he does the little things that may be missed with a cursory glance (blocking, etc)
*I agree that the running game didn't look threatening against those teams
" Ray Ray unimpressive
However, look at the entire season and my opinions are different and more positive. However for a two games stretch, the article was accurate. The good news is that I think Gallman will go for +130 yards from scrimmage and Tank gets a pick on Dec 31.
Ray Ray .... no clue. He's an enigma.
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So...I clicked on your discussion link
Dec 22, 2016, 3:08 PM
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and saw this: "I mean, the whole reason you are communicating with them on the internet is because: who would want to physically go to their cousin-marrying, three-legged-dog-ridden, 350-pound-wife-laden state?"
I decided Michigan was right about OSU. No more discussion is necessary.
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Re: So...I clicked on your discussion link
Dec 22, 2016, 3:15 PM
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Compared to the angels on here...
If you look it's in response to a poster here telling us OSU fans to leave the state. Pretty sure it's ### for tat. Or as Michael Scott would say, ### for ###.
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The difference being, he's the one doing the inviting
Dec 22, 2016, 3:27 PM
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to a discussion. No one here asked for the same. I stand by what I said, Michigan was correct about them.
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Let me guess, you wear a nut necklace and jersey to games.
Dec 22, 2016, 5:04 PM
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How close am I?
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Re: Let me guess, you wear a nut necklace and jersey to games.
Dec 22, 2016, 5:14 PM
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What else would you wear?
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