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All-In [47795]
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Americans own about five million AR-15s
Oct 3, 2017, 1:31 PM
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even if a "ban" on "assault" rifles were constitutional and not covered by the 2nd Amendment, banning them (without just compensation) would be an unconstitutional taking under the 5th Amendment. There are at least five million AR-15s in the US and there are many other semi-automatic rifles. The average price is about $800. So, as a threshold, a ban would cost at least $4 Billion in payments to owners of AR-15s. Add in all assault rifles and the cost is even higher. And, we all know, this won't end mass shootings.
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Re: Americans own about five million AR-15s
Oct 3, 2017, 1:47 PM
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Don't forget all the AK-47s, AR-10s, etc.
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All-In [47795]
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yeah, I couldnt find numbers on those but its got to be
Oct 3, 2017, 2:09 PM
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millions. It wouldn't surprise me if a ban cost $10 billion in direct payouts for the taking.
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with our track record
Oct 3, 2017, 1:48 PM
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we'd probably turn around and sell them to the enemy at pennies on the dollar and then wonder how they are killing our troops.
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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I'd be interested to see how many of them accidently
Oct 3, 2017, 1:51 PM
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got dropped in a lake during a boating trip.
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Oculus Spirit [79405]
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You've got at least 50% of the population who are just blind
Oct 3, 2017, 1:55 PM
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rule followers, another 20% who would be wary, but ultimately give in, and then the final 30% just wouldn't give a fugg and would keep their guns.
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Orange Blooded [3516]
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Re: You've got at least 50% of the population who are just blind
Oct 3, 2017, 11:06 PM
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I wonder what the odds are that 30% are the folks who think Trump is doing a great job?
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All-TigerNet [11163]
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Banning $hit rarely works, can't really think of any
Oct 3, 2017, 1:53 PM
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supporting example, to be honest. But it would be nice to know more about gun owners. The DEA knows every person that has purchased a package of Sudafed or Claritin-D as well as anyone who has been prescribed an opioid...in the entire country. If you have a bunch of it, they will come find out what you're doing with it.
It would've been nice to know that this dude had been stockpiling weapons and ammunition for God knows how long. What if say, a year ago, the ATF knocked on his door and asked, "Hey man, what you doin' with all this firepower?". It doesn't account for street weapons, but there's really no reasonable way to do this, but it's certainly feasible for new weapons.
The other thing I think would help is if manufacturers would take it upon themselves to design semi-automatic product that can't be converted to full. Again, it doesn't address what's out there, but it helps going forward.
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Could the government do something that prevents
Oct 3, 2017, 2:31 PM
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gun manufacturers from making guns that are "convertible"?
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They could make it illegal
Oct 3, 2017, 2:38 PM
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like murder
and drugs
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If I were a gun manufacturer, one word would scare the
Oct 3, 2017, 3:19 PM
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h3ll outta me, "negligible". If my gun design is such that it easily allows conversion from semi to full, am I negligible? It only takes one court to say, yep, y'all put that little loophole in there so people could convert their own weapons at their whim, so it's your fault that somebody got killed.
Conversion should be like figuring out a 7 sided rubik's cube.
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Re: If I were a gun manufacturer, one word would scare the
Oct 3, 2017, 3:41 PM
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I think the loophole is that they are not technically modifying the gun to shoot fully automatic because they are not modifying the trigger mechanism in the trigger assembly which is illegal. When you buy a gun the part of the gun you are registered to is the trigger or on an AR-15 the lower assembly. That is why you can buy all that parts to build an AR-15 without any kinds of background checks, but if you buy a lower assembly that's when you have to do the background check and registration. Since the trigger mechanism in not being modified and is not designed to be and that it is highly illegal to do so is why the gun companies are not held negligible. Now it may be another story for the company that designs and sell the stocks that people are buying to convert there rifle into an "automatic".
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All-TigerNet [11163]
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Thanks for the info. I knew there had to be a protection
Oct 3, 2017, 4:11 PM
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for the manufacturer somewhere in the current law.
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So give the government a list of people who own guns
Oct 4, 2017, 11:33 AM
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So they can execute them all as soon as the NWO gives the go order? I don't think so dude. You are playing right into their hands. The NWO is responsible for all these attacks and their goal is to push us towards this very list. Never mind the government has tanks, missiles, jets and every other conceivable advantage,this list will be the key to their plan.
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What do people think about a voluntary "buyback"?
Oct 3, 2017, 2:27 PM
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Maybe that's not the right word, but the government will buy your weapon from you, only if you want to sell it to them.
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Oculus Spirit [79405]
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Yay, the government will buy back our weapons from us with
Oct 3, 2017, 2:31 PM
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our own money. lulz, no thanks. Maybe balance the budget or something and we could talk.
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All-In [47795]
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how about a liberal group like the anti-NRA
Oct 3, 2017, 2:46 PM
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buy them and destroy them? Hollywood, makes significant sums off the backs of gun violence, they could lead the way with donations!
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That sounds better.***
Oct 3, 2017, 2:47 PM
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They could offer to buy it for more than it's worth...
Oct 3, 2017, 2:49 PM
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To provide more incentive. It'd take a lot of money, but a lot of people would probably consider it a worthy enough cause to donate to.
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All-In [47795]
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Or, a tax on
Oct 3, 2017, 2:54 PM
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video games, movies, tv shows, etc... that feature gun violence. (liberals love taxes so Hollywood should be ok with it right?). the money could go into fund to buy back guns and/or compensate victims.
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Re: They could offer to buy it for more than it's worth...
Oct 3, 2017, 2:56 PM
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I can see the criminals of Chicago and Detroit lining up at the Capital with their illegal automatic weapons ready for $800. All the while missing out on a couple thousand in drug money due to waiting in line.
Sounds plausible.
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Re: They could offer to buy it for more than it's worth...
Oct 4, 2017, 7:50 AM
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Maybe strongly enforce laws that already exist.
Enable a straw purchase? Rest of your life is spent behind bars.
Leave a gun where a kid can get ahold of it? You kid goes to foster care. You go to jail for gross negligence and child abuse.
That's what gets me. In our state, you could go to jail for sharing a beer with your 16 year old son or letting him have your old collection of Playboys from that box in the attic. Give him an AR-15 for his birthday and let him and his buddies go plinking? No problem.
Say your little girl sets up a lemonade stand. She's actually liable for city fees, obtaining a license, and reporting her income.
Give her one of those cute little pink .22's from WalMart though, no worries. No hoops to jump through at all.
Want a rottweiler? Expect your homeowner's insurance to go up, no matter how much obedience training you do. The thing could be a seeing eye dog, but you're still gonna pay.
How about an SKS with a 30 round magazine, folding stock, bayonet, and a case of 7.62 that you leave on the kitchen counter. No problem, man.
Say your kid's puppy bites the neighbor when he's over playing. You can get the heck sued out of you, dog is gone, possibly euthanized. Blow his head off playing with a gun? Meh. We're "praying for the family".
Quit praying. God has answered us on this, and He says quit being stupid.
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I think they would be grandfathered in.
Oct 4, 2017, 11:33 AM
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They did that with machine guns.
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