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Orange Blooded [3371]
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If Arch Manning can make at least 10 million
Jul 5, 2021, 4:28 PM
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per yer as a college football player. Is there a chance he walks away from football after four years of college.
What if this begins to happen with some of the top college talents?
Could this have an effect on the NFL in the future?
What if Arch decides 40 million is enough and becomes a professional golfer to save his body from the NFL punishment?
Could this happen? I never thought I would see a college player refuse to play a bowl game.
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If a player can make 10 million/year in college
Jul 5, 2021, 5:27 PM
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He should pay the college for his development as a player and pay for his education and his food and his books.
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Re: If Arch Manning can make at least 10 million
Jul 5, 2021, 6:35 PM
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The idea of an 18-year-old being paid more than the head coach says everything about what a dumb idea this is.
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Different pots of money
Jul 5, 2021, 6:43 PM
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if it was coming from the college I would agree with you.
Coach just needs a better PR person.
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Is this also dumb for the NFL?
Jul 5, 2021, 8:20 PM
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The free market at the professional level causes some players to be paid more than head coaches, despite player salary caps. Nobody says that is dumb.
College sports (particularly football) is finally being taken out of the snow globe. That is a good thing.
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most college players will not make money worth mentioning***
Jul 5, 2021, 8:35 PM
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many will get in debt to a sports agency and have to pay them $$$ for 10-20 years after college.
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Re: Is this also dumb for the NFL?
Jul 5, 2021, 8:47 PM
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I doubt having a handful of millionaires living in on-campus housing would cause many problems, right?. I'd be fine if they stuck this money in a trust and it was available after they leave, but my point is that 18-year-olds driving around in Bentley's at public universities is going to create a lot of resentment, as well as make these guys targets for all kinds of things I am not going to mention. This sounds like bad news all around.
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All-TigerNet [11065]
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I've said the same thing
Jul 5, 2021, 8:50 PM
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it will wreck team cohesion. Coaches like Dabo and Saban will lose discipline and the $$$ players will be on islands. Every time a guard misses a block on a $$$ QB, the internet will say it's about a jealous player or some internet crap.
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I doubt it***
Jul 5, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Re: Is this also dumb for the NFL?
Jul 5, 2021, 9:19 PM
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I do agree the players will be even more careful with who they interact. People do any and everything now to make a quick buck.
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Here is the real question:
Jul 6, 2021, 1:26 AM
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What is worse:
(1) Keeping the current system that allows coaches, universities, television networks, studio talking heads, broadcasters, advertisers, etc to make millions of dollars per year off the backs of the players that make it all possible but get precious little for it? Not only is that immoral, it's un-American and unconstitutional, as the Supreme Court clearly stated.
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(2) Allowing athletes the opportunity to feast on the pie?
The current status quo will end and a "new normal" will prevail. Some of it won't be pretty but that's just the way it has to be.
I promise you 10 years from now, nobody with a lick of sense will look back on the old way as the right way.
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Re: Here is the real question:
Jul 6, 2021, 1:35 AM
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This is spot on. Also this could be some kids who are fan favorites a 4 or 5 year window to make money.
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When you consider all the money going into non-revenue
Jul 8, 2021, 7:04 PM
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sports, schools aren't "making millions off the backs of players!" Most of those millions go to support those sports!
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Re: If Arch Manning can make at least 10 million
Jul 5, 2021, 9:17 PM
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Dabo can make money in other ways besides his contract with the school. It’s just like when players sign deals with companies.
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Orange Blooded [3639]
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Money in the bank won't affect guys like Arch Manning...
Jul 5, 2021, 8:15 PM
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He'll want to go to the NFL and be the best he can be, earn the most he can earn doing the one thing that has dominated his life: Playing football.
For guys who are great in college, don't have family wealth and aren't good NFL prospects, they will have some money in the bank instead of being left out in the cold.
I can't any player walking away from significant NFL money because of what they earned while in college.
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Differing perspective
Jul 6, 2021, 7:58 AM
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Scholarship athletes (a majority of football players) are hardly “left out in the cold” by Clemson University. In return for their hard work (at something they chose to do and seemingly enjoy) they are in return paid with a degree, world class medical access, and life training they surely wouldn’t have received otherwise. It’s well documented that these players receive over 100k worth of services per year while in school.
I’m pro democracy so since this evolution and progression is where the sport is headed, so be it. BUT At the same time, the false belief and trumpeted story that these people are being “used” is completely false and driving the divide in the debate.
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Orange Blooded [3639]
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Players are definitely being "used"...
Jul 6, 2021, 1:22 PM
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in the sense their revenue potential is capped while everyone else who benefits from their athletic performance is not limited in any way.
Obviously a degree and the life experiences associated with going to college are important. But to stiff-arm players and say "the line stops with just these" is not fair when all of the above-mentioned ride the monstrous gravy train and get to milk it for all they can.
Sorry, but when college football grew to a multi-billion dollar business, things had to change.
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Re: If Arch Manning can make at least 10 million
Jul 5, 2021, 8:49 PM
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Arch Manning's family has enough sense to help him understand the difference between words and a bank balance. I will not believe a college football player will earn $1 million much less 2 or 10. Time will tell but this may be much ado about nothing until it plays out over the next few years.
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10 million doesn’t seem realistic at all
Jul 5, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Why would you pay a college kid that when you could get a pro with a track record of staying out of trouble, being a good steward in their community, etc.
I don’t think many brands will want to risk millions on 18 year olds in college.
What’s the kid going to do? Take over the nationwide commercials ?
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I seriously doubt he will make anywhere near $10 million per year!
Jul 5, 2021, 11:06 PM
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The big money is most likely to be made by some hot, sexy female athlete, who really knows how to work the social media, then parlay that into ads, appearances and such!
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Re: I seriously doubt he will make anywhere near $10 million per year!
Jul 6, 2021, 9:46 AM
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What was that pole vaulter's name from a few years back?
You know, the one you always see in those ads at the bottom and sides of the page.
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Re: If Arch Manning can make at least 10 million
Jul 6, 2021, 9:23 AM
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Sorority girls throwing themselves at him daily . . . . and some frat boys . . . .
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It's a valid concern
Jul 6, 2021, 9:41 AM
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as many concerns are related to this issue. There are always, and I mean always, unforeseen outcomes and ramifications of "human" wisdom.
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Re: If Arch Manning can make at least 10 million
Jul 6, 2021, 11:13 AM
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I agree waterboyll. it’s a college football world gone mad! The players now run the programs. And if they make more money than the HC I can see that being a problem.
Now let’s take Arch Manning and say he makes $40 to $60 million as a college player. Why should he be on scholarship??? There are many non athletic students who could use that scholarship. I think a new rule should be in place that if a player earns a certain amount of money he should pay his own #### way through college.
Another thing this NIL rule will affect is the draft and contracts. If you earn millions of dollars as an amateur ( ??????????) college football player what does it matter where you in in the draft. In fact players may start choosing the team they want to play for instead of sitting by the phone hoping to be drafted. If their list of teams do not call they can just sit out if they don’t get there way.
The Transfer Portal will be full of players trying to get with a college team who can promote their NIL. I don’t think players will want to wait their turn are earn their playing time. And many Parents will exploit their kid for the money.
How will the other players feel about QB the supposed team leader who is driving his $200, 000 sports car around campus living in his own house on Lake Keowee with a boat jet skies and living a luxurious lifestyle??? What about the kids ( Approximately 80% who want make near Arch Manning money how will they feel ). Will it destroy the work ethic of that player’s like TL , ETN , CJ Spiller, DW had. IMO opinion yes. Will it affect Clemson’s program in a negative way?? I believe it will.
I don’t know how compensation is set up but I would be mad as He$$ as a parent working my butt off and making major sacrifices scraping to pay my kids way through college while these entitled athletes are making a lot of $$$$$$$$. It’s possible I may have attended my last Clemson Game at DV.
This NIL BS rule where 18,19 and 20 year old kids are making more money than the HC and all of his staff are making It think it will have a negative affect on player / coach relationships. Some college kids may make more than star NFL player’s.
I am grateful for the Ford, Hatfield, Bowden and Sweeney years. Especially the last 10 years. Going forward it just want be the same. Those idiot politicians and other’s who help pass the NIL rule can kiss my a$$!
I don’t care what you say Money changes people! I believe the year 2021 will go down in history as the year college football died as we have known it for so many year.
Some of you may say I am overreacting, or have lost my mind. Save this post and tell me that 3 or 4 years from now. If I am wrong I will gladly admit it!
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Yes wueagle, you are overreacting! Very, very few, if any...
Jul 8, 2021, 7:22 PM
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will be making "millions" of dollars! And it's probably more likely to be the hot gymnast or volleyball player, that has the best chance to make the big bucks! This only allows the athletes to do the same thing that regular students, with the ingenuity, have the opportunity to do!
Another point you are missing...Dabo recruits a much higher quality person than the average school does...athletes that are less likely to be ruined by making a little extra spending money.
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Maybe it should?
Jul 6, 2021, 11:56 AM
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There have been so many countless players who sacrificed their bodies for the sport... but never made a dime. They didn't get drafted because of the injuries from the college years when they couldn't get paid, & the vast majority of them never came anywhere near the level of success you're suggesting for players like Manning in college.
Just food for thought. Play football, sacrifice your body, but you can only do it for so long. Andrew Luck is a good example, albeit another tragic one. Contact sports have so many inherent risks, but likely none more than football.
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Side note re: Coach Swinney
Jul 6, 2021, 11:59 AM
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Just a thought, but what about Coach Swinney?
He was the #1 realtor in Alabama (multiple years). It made him wealthy.
It's hard to escape the thought that he wouldn't have left it all behind to move to the Palmetto state to be an assistant coach after being away from the sport entirely for a decade if he didn't have the luxury of wealth.
After all, by then he had a family & a successful path, one he was happy with, too.
Money changes everything. Often, so do football injuries. Just food for thought I guess.
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Where did you hear he was the #1 realtor in Alabama?
Jul 8, 2021, 9:46 PM
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That's news to me!!
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Really? Cry for Andrew Luck?
Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM
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Where does the word “tragic” come into play in the life of Andrew Luck?
1. He made the choice to play football
2. He got a degree from STANFORD! One of the most prestigious universities in the country and a MASSIVE leg up for any job opportunity.
3. He made nearly ONE HOUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THE NFL (22m rookie contract then 87m guaranteed on his second contract that he played a year of) and will never need to work again. That doesn’t include endorsements.
4. The man is happily married and walked AWAY from the game.
The only argument you could have is the possibility of CTE and my response to that is; see article 1.
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Just going by him is all
Jul 8, 2021, 9:47 PM
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I hear you. You're right, he led a rich life. Bad example, perhaps, just trying to make a point about injury.
Remember, he didn't want to quit football. I don't think that was ever a secret to anyone.
All I meant was his choice was made for him, so to speak, from the toll the sport took on his body. Again, back to the original point, thousands of players have lost their ability to play or earn money from their sport because of injury. Hope this helps explain a little better.
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Really? Cry for Andrew Luck?
Jul 8, 2021, 8:17 PM
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Where does the word “tragic” come into play in the life of Andrew Luck?
1. He made the choice to play football
2. He got a degree from STANFORD! One of the most prestigious universities in the country and a MASSIVE leg up for any job opportunity.
3. He made nearly ONE HOUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THE NFL (22m rookie contract then 87m guaranteed on his second contract that he played a year of) and will never need to work again. That doesn’t include endorsements.
4. The man is happily married and walked AWAY from the game.
The only argument you could have is the possibility of CTE and my response to that is; see article 1.
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Bowl games are irrelevant now...
Jul 7, 2021, 8:48 AM
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The ONLY post-season games that matter are the CFP games which is why there is a heightened level of interest in expanding the playoff format.
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All that is possible.
Jul 8, 2021, 7:55 PM
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Blows my mind that some of these so called Americans are against someone making an honest dollar. Slavery has been banned.
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It blows my mind that you equate football to slavery!!
Jul 8, 2021, 9:53 PM
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When you're playing a game you love, at a school of your choosing, with all the benefits football players receives, even beyond the basic scholarship, there is nothing related to slavery about it!!
And I'm not begrudging them making some extra cash off the NIL, either!!
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Well good
Jul 16, 2021, 1:14 PM
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I'm just saying they have never had a right to tell a person they couldn't sell something that would be legal for the average person to sell.
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Re: Well good
Jul 16, 2021, 4:15 PM
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Arch Manning is uniquely situated to capitalize on NIL, given his talent and family name/brand.
It's pointless now to be debating NIL as that ship has sailed. Teams and schools are going to have to deal with multi millionaire student athletes on campus juxtaposed against poor offensive linemen. Plus, the players are going to all look like Richard Petty with all their endorsements on their jerseys.
It's a Mad Mad new World.
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