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I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 12, 2012, 3:50 PM
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I would rather Clemson be #1 in defense every year and have a defense that is literally feared for knocking people out than win a national championship game 63-62. I would sign a document right now that agreed to Clemson not being able to win the natty champ game for 5 years if I could guarantee that our defense was scary tough and scary strong for the next 10 years.
The late 1980's were the most SATISFYING time to be a Clemson fan since the 81 championship. Those 10 win seasons were more to be proud of because we were tough and people didn't want to play us.
I can handle losing, but I can't handle a limp-wristed defense. Crazy old person rant over.
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110%er [6857]
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Amen brother.***
Dec 12, 2012, 3:54 PM
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 12, 2012, 3:54 PM
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We had a pretty good defense from 2003 to 2008 from what I recall, and again in 2010. All of the sudden our defense has turned to complete crap. Sure we did lose some great players but it's hard to understand how we've had this much of a dropoff.
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All-In [29036]
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To each their own
Dec 12, 2012, 3:55 PM
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I can't imagine preferring to lose over win, no matter what style the team ran
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Re: To each their own
Dec 12, 2012, 5:46 PM
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You mean, like losing against the only teams we played all year who had decent defenses?
I think that makes his point for him.
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All-In [29036]
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No, reread his post
Dec 12, 2012, 6:57 PM
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He stated he would rather NOT win a MNC and have a tough D than win one with a soft D.
I simply don't get that viewpoint.
Ideally, give me both. But if we have to choose, it seems strange to me to choose the option that doesn't include the MNC.
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CU Guru [1346]
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I read it as ding me for 5 but give me 10
Dec 13, 2012, 8:40 PM
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I guess he wants 5 NC chances at the end of the 10 years.
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Yes. And I can enjoy the first 5 if we scare people.***
Dec 14, 2012, 11:59 AM
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Orange Blooded [2441]
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I am with you that I would rather have an 80's style
Dec 12, 2012, 3:56 PM
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Clemson defense than an explosive offense but if we won a national championship 63-62, I wouldn't care one bit that our defense sucked. We would be national champs.
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Oculus Spirit [96767]
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Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships. I just
Dec 12, 2012, 3:56 PM
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made that up 
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Good O and D are not mutually exclusive***
Dec 12, 2012, 3:57 PM
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Not saying they are, just show me the good D.***
Dec 12, 2012, 4:01 PM
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^^^^^^^^^Not saying they are, just show me the good D.***
Dec 12, 2012, 4:05 PM
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boom
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110%er [8244]
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Agree
Dec 12, 2012, 3:59 PM
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Defense wins ball games
Offense sells tickets
How many times has ESPN stated thats an "SEC Defense", not many times have they talked about the offense other than being a power running team
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 12, 2012, 4:01 PM
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You're not a lunatic. You're spot on. It's about defense. Danny Ford was taught by Bear Bryant. Coach Bryant's formula - great defense, good kicking game and offense that doesn't turn the ball over = Clemson's one and only national championship. Nick Sabin & Les Miles uderstand Coach Bryant's formula too.
I know this to be true, I was there in 1980.
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Legend [15863]
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^^^^^ Completely Solid Lunatic ^^^^^
Dec 12, 2012, 4:03 PM
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ME TOO OLD MAN !!!!!!
I WANT O-& D- linemen that NO oNE wants to have to play against
I am not sure that our line coaching is getting it done
Our linemen just are not as good and strong as our competition it seems ....
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Soft Coach
Dec 12, 2012, 4:21 PM
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powder puff coach=powder puff football
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Re: Soft Coach
Dec 12, 2012, 7:17 PM
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S&C coach? Agreed
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Tell It Brother!!***
Dec 12, 2012, 4:39 PM
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110%er [6208]
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Not sure how that makes you a lunatic
Dec 12, 2012, 4:41 PM
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Defense wins championships. Give me a #1 defense and a serviceable offense and I'll be a happy man.
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110%er [5712]
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All of us over 40 probably agree with you........
Dec 12, 2012, 5:21 PM
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The young clueless twits of today won't.
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All-In [29036]
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Those over 40
Dec 12, 2012, 5:45 PM
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Would prefer not winning a MNC to winning one?
I mean, I agree entirely that I want a tough nasty defense. I think we all agree that would be ideal.
But to suggest you would take a tough nasty defense on a team which doesn't win a MNC over a softer one on a team which does win a MNC seems crazy to me.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Those over 40
Dec 12, 2012, 5:48 PM
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Who's the last soft team who won a MNC? That's the point.
Even Oregon 2 years ago had a pretty darned good defense. Well coached and hard-nosed if not talented.
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All-In [29036]
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That may be
Dec 12, 2012, 6:35 PM
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But that wasn't what the initial post said. He said he'd rather have a tough D and not win a NC than have a softer D and win one.
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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you are correct
Dec 12, 2012, 5:45 PM
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lunatic
but I did dig the 80's
groovy
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 12, 2012, 5:53 PM
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If I win the lottery I'm giving you a million. Best thing I've read since the 1981 Sports Illustrated...
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So this is the Old F**t’s board— where I belong
Dec 12, 2012, 6:03 PM
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I’ll take a Nat. Title anyway I can get it.
Much better chance of winning it is with DEFENSE.
Don’t see any team getting to title game giving up 62 pts.
People seem to have forgotten that HITTING is what made football popular.
Tough, Aggressive & Gang Tackling—Make em pay for anything they get
Rather see a goose egg on the opponents scoreboard than 70 on Clemson’s
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 12, 2012, 6:57 PM
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I agree 1000% I will be glad to see the days of big bad nasty DB's again.For Clemson to ever be a team that matters the D has to be great.
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110%er [7913]
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agreed***
Dec 12, 2012, 7:04 PM
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Orange Blooded [2609]
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Then what purpose would that serve?***
Dec 12, 2012, 7:40 PM
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Orange Blooded [3839]
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Back in the day we didn't have 13 games to win 10 either***
Dec 13, 2012, 8:28 PM
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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We had a good offense too in the late 80's***
Dec 13, 2012, 8:29 PM
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 13, 2012, 8:51 PM
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Why can't we have both?
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 13, 2012, 8:53 PM
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We can. But for the most part, a ball control offense enables your defense to stay fresh, focused and hungry.
It's also a mental thing. If your defense knows that every possession matters and the offense can't march down the field and score, it's going to give them a mental edge.
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All-American [581]
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Defense wins championships
Dec 13, 2012, 9:07 PM
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Offense sells tickets. I posted that last night. Don't know how many of y'all got to watch the Perry's and the Kirkland's etc. but those were some bad naaty a$$ defenses !
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Just got back from a tickle fight... what did I miss.***
Dec 13, 2012, 10:20 PM
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Re: I realize this probably makes me sound like a lunatic but...
Dec 14, 2012, 12:14 PM
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your desire does not make you a nut case. The fact that you think anyone cares does! Also the last time I checked a win is a win! period! I would take the current team agianst any former team. By the way I am as much a fan when were down as when were up!
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