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Orange Blooded [2466]
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All that the new playoff system will do is create more
Jun 26, 2012, 8:09 PM
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debate on why the #5 and #6 teams were left out. This system has almost as many holes as the BCS. Its either going to leave the little guy out and reward the 1-2 loss teams from the SEC, PAC-10, etc. or take the little guy and leave out the big boys from bigger conferences with a loss or 2. I see this being very messy and causing just as much contraversy. Hopefully Clemson isn't left out but IMO the only way we are ever considered for a national title shot is to be undefeated anyways. Clemson can control their own destiny in any scenario I think.
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Rooter [214]
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Re
Jun 26, 2012, 8:14 PM
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I don't think anybody sees this as an answer, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.
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CU Medallion [58379]
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Nobody but the commissioners and presidents who
Jun 26, 2012, 8:25 PM
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voted for it and have tried to lock it in for 12 years.
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All-In [29036]
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We can only hope that its a move in the right direction
Jun 26, 2012, 8:27 PM
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That there are folks who want a more balanced larger field playoff, but couldn't get there from here.
Hopefully its a step. An imperfect step, but one in the right direction.
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CU Medallion [58379]
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definitely a step in the right direction, but I'm pretty
Jun 26, 2012, 9:32 PM
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discouraged by how rapidly they reached such a watered down version, then how giddy and self-congratulatory they were about it. I don't take that as a good sign going forward.
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110%er [7191]
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Re: Re
Jun 26, 2012, 9:05 PM
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It's definitly a step,but I do not know if it's in the right direction.
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110%er [7971]
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I agree with you, but look at march madness, 64 isn't
Jun 26, 2012, 8:15 PM
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enough, so they make it 65, then 68...... Have to draw the line somewhere. Like you say, if we win them all, no one can keep us out of the playoff.
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Legend [15730]
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Totally different issue. No one argues that 64 isn't enough
Jun 27, 2012, 1:22 PM
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to crown a legitimate national champion. All those years that VT was on the bubble and didn't get in, no fans were arguing that the national champ that year wasn't legit because they didn't have to face VT. The NCAA keeps expanding because the fans continue to watch it and it makes them more money. That's it.
Teams will always argue about not getting into the basketball tourney because they want to be in the tourney, not because they believe they have earned a shot at the championship.
This four-team playoff is different. With 11 conferences and a handful of independents, you could theoretically have 12 or 13 undefeated teams (I know...it will never happen, but I'm just illustrating the point). Now you have to pick who you GUESS are the best out of those.
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Commissioner [908]
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The SEC is for it bc they can pad their wallets with 2-3
Jun 26, 2012, 8:16 PM
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teams in this thing. At least it will be settled on the field. Concern is the committee. The BCS formula is honed pretty well to get the top four. Committee doesn't seem to be necessary. Ultimately, Clemson is in good standing with the format and regular season still important. Positive step forward.
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Oculus Spirit [83020]
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3??? Right.***
Jun 26, 2012, 8:32 PM
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CU Guru [1053]
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Yes.
Jun 27, 2012, 12:11 PM
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Yes. This past year it would have been LSU, Bama, OSU, and Arky.
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CU Medallion [58379]
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I like it better than the BCS, which relied too much on
Jun 26, 2012, 8:16 PM
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polls, which were too biased. I'm hoping the members of the selection committee will be more thoughtful and fair-minded, but there will still be bias. A step in the right direction, but it doesn't solve the problem.
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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With all the faults I can find about this system...
Jun 26, 2012, 8:24 PM
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I still have to admit that it's an eternity away from the pre-BCS years. What I like most about it is the absence of the influence of the polls, all of them.
Although it may appear that teams like Boise and Western Kentucky have double the opportunity to participate due to the addition of two more teams in the mix, I am certain that the RPI factor will eliminate those type teams from the mix.
My hope is that after a few games RPI, or what ever formula the selection committee will use, will be calculated and published.
All in all, it appears to be a step in the right direction.
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Rock Defender [53]
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fwiw, they stated they will not use an RPI or a football
Jun 26, 2012, 9:12 PM
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version of it in their selection process.
I would have been fine if they simply took the top 4 in the BCS ranking.
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Re: All that the new playoff system will do is create more
Jun 26, 2012, 8:20 PM
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I agree that this will just cause more bitching from teams getting left out of the playoff. This is how I see it:
1. The playoff will benefit the 4 top conferences (SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12).
2. ACC, Big East, and the other conferences will get left out if they are not ranked above the top 4 conference champions. In other words, schools from these conferences will have to be undefeated or have one lost. I think scheduling will become a big factor also.
That is how I see it. I could be wrong but it has that type of feeling to it.
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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There has been no consideration for ranking at this point.
Jun 26, 2012, 8:26 PM
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We struggle, after a life of hanging on to the published polls, to accept that polls will play no part of the selections.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Why would you want the poll bias included?***
Jun 27, 2012, 9:40 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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What gave you that idea?***
Jun 27, 2012, 9:48 AM
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Guess i mis-read it. I don't struggle with the lack of polls
Jun 27, 2012, 9:51 AM
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I embrace it! 
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All-In [29036]
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It's a bandaid
Jun 26, 2012, 8:24 PM
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But it does give us a better chance of controlling our destiny than the old system.
Chances of more than 4 undefeated teams have to be considerably greater than 3 undefeated teams.
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Orange Blooded [2303]
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Re: All that the new playoff system will do is create more
Jun 26, 2012, 8:30 PM
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that's better than the third place team.
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Oculus Spirit [83020]
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One loss Clemson team makes it in last year if we beat State
Jun 26, 2012, 8:31 PM
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and USC.
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All-In [29036]
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Probably
Jun 26, 2012, 8:34 PM
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Probably, but LSU and BAMA would've been locks. OK St as well. Then we'd be up against Stanford. I'd guess we'd get the nod, but it wouldn't have been set in stone.
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All-American [576]
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Re: Probably
Jun 26, 2012, 8:37 PM
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Throw Oregon in that mix also. Clemson might have had a chance but not lock
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All-In [29036]
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True, forgot about them
Jun 26, 2012, 8:58 PM
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I think we'd have been chosen, but it wouldn't have been a lock. We'd have beaten more ranked teams than either Stanford and Oregon, I think.
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All-American [576]
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Re: True, forgot about them
Jun 26, 2012, 9:11 PM
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I think you are right but I think it would have been left up to comparing all three teams losses. Losing to GT would have had a greater impact than Stanford and Oregon's losses.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Did y'all not see the conf champ has a weighted advantage?
Jun 27, 2012, 9:43 AM
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Stanford would have been left out, b/c Oregon won the conference!
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Oculus Spirit [83020]
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Oregon though had two loses.***
Jun 27, 2012, 11:17 AM
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Athletic Dir [887]
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1 loss was to LSU and they beat the crap out of Stanford
Jun 27, 2012, 11:33 AM
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for the title! the other loss was to USC, they were conference champions was my point!
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CU Guru [1895]
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They benefited from not having to see USC in the champ game***
Jun 27, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Athletic Dir [887]
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That may be true, but if USC didn't cheat they could have
Jun 27, 2012, 11:40 AM
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played there! Would have been interesting to see a rematch after the 35-38 loss by OU in the reg season. Maybe it was to their detriment that they didn't get USC, they may have gone to #2 with that victory. I didn't know we were doing hypotheticals here!
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CU Guru [1895]
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That's not what I'm saying
Jun 27, 2012, 12:19 PM
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I just mean that Oregon who played in a weak Pac-12 last season. Benefited from not having to play the best team in the other division, and the only team that beat them, in the championship game. Under normal circumstances who knows what happens.
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Oculus Spirit [83020]
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Oculus Spirit [83020]
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True, but IMO, win in Columbia the difference. Wasn't USC
Jun 27, 2012, 1:27 AM
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9th or 10th in BCS when we played?
I know we were ahead of Stanford when both were undefeated.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Stanford was not a conference champ! Oregon was!***
Jun 27, 2012, 9:44 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83020]
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Oregon had two losses and Stanford finished 4th before bowls.
Jun 27, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Oregon beat Stanford 53-30, their 2 losses were to
Jun 27, 2012, 11:37 AM
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LSU and USC. 1 Conference loss and won the head to head with Stanford by a mile! Conference Champs. That would carry more weight in the new system! forget the d*mn polls they won't matter after 2013!
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Quit whining,
Jun 26, 2012, 9:21 PM
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We should quit worrying about the system and what conference we're in and just worry about Clemson and win. If we can't go undefeated against the schedule we play we're not beating a Bama or LSU.
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Orange Blooded [3710]
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Had to point you!!!
Jun 27, 2012, 8:22 AM
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Lets just win football games!!! Until we quit losing to the coots and misc ACC teams we shouldnt, we wont be in.
While i agree we are somewhat at a disadvantage in the ACC, we are not locked out. We start beating the coots, and there relative success then helps us!
The main point is at least those two SEC team will have to play some other teams, so we never have to see that piece of crap called the BCS game last year.
I do think the long term lock in is stupid! I agree that an 8 team playoff would be the best!!! But will take this format, just wish it wasnt locked in. But i enjoy watching good college football, and last years BCS was a pile of crap.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Agreed!***
Jun 27, 2012, 9:45 AM
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Orange Blooded [4095]
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That is why an 8 team playoff is needed, at least
Jun 26, 2012, 10:57 PM
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Winner from each of the following six Conferences:
ACC
Big E
B 10
B 12
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SEC
+ 2 wildcards, highest ranked 2 teams not a Conference winner
Ranking also used to determine who plays who in the first round
IDEALLY, a 16 team playoff
11 Conference winners of the FBS
+ 5 wildcards, again not conference winners but ranked "next 5 high"
No one is left out, 5 wildcards should be enough to let deserving teams compete.
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Re: That is why an 8 team playoff is needed, at least
Jun 27, 2012, 9:32 AM
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this may seem more democratic because it guarantees the BigE and ACC a seat, but last year that would have put in #15 Clemson and #23 West Virginia, which does support having the best 8 teams. that plan would have left out #7 Boise State and #8 Kansas State and put in 3 SEC teams... #1 LSU, #2 Alabama and #6 Arkansas.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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I disagree, the BCS is full of corruption, smoke & mirrors
Jun 27, 2012, 9:36 AM
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The new system will not be influenced by the media or the coaches poll and the ambiguous computer rankings. The SOS and selection committee will be transparent. We don't have that now!!!
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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That and allowing for two more teams a shot at the title...
Jun 27, 2012, 9:51 AM
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is the most significant thing to happen to College Football since the invention of the forward pass.
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The bigger stink will be caused by the
Jun 27, 2012, 12:03 PM
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committee picking a #5 or #6 team in the polls over a top-4 team. That could happen and it would be pandemonium.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Don't take this personally, but I could give a
Jun 27, 2012, 12:06 PM
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Rats #### about the polls! They suck and have been the bane of college football for all of my life! Sorry for the rant! Struck a nerve!
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Legend [18133]
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No offense taken. I'm just saying the natural inclination
Jun 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
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of the fans of any school ranked in the top 4 of the polls will be to assume they're in the playoff. That's what Slive wanted and what most fans of the top 4 ranked teams will expect. Let the committee pass one of them up for a lower ranked team an it's gonna be a loud and long argument.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Re: I understand, the polls have done nothing but create
Jun 27, 2012, 12:47 PM
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hate and discontent their entire existence in CFB. IMO
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