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THIS IS DEFINITELY
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THIS IS DEFINITELY


Mar 28, 2021, 12:34 PM

PnR....

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Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY


Mar 28, 2021, 1:19 PM

Yeah it’s not racist to want voter ID and there’s no way to spin it to make it so. I would hope what we all want is complete confidence that win , lose, or draw the election was fair.

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Mar 28, 2021, 3:15 PM

Tar,

I know that ALL of you guys have driver's licenses and so it seems impossible that lots of people don't but . . .

These numbers may be off a percentage or two, but for people over twenty years of age, about 18% of them do not have a driver's license. Now people over twenty make up about 81% of the total population, so by my calculations, that puts the number of voting age adults without a DL at about 50 million.

Perhaps 50 million Americans should be allowed to vote.

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If one uses the term "empirical data" indiscriminately, one


Mar 28, 2021, 3:38 PM

should at least occasionally relay on it.

There is no proposal i know of that would require a driver's license to vote. DL < ID. Simple concept.
Behavioral studies do not support the mantra that voter id's inhibit minority voting.

But partisan ideology trumps all, so...

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Re: If one uses the term "empirical data" indiscriminately, one


Mar 28, 2021, 8:06 PM

tulsa,

Could you point me to these behavioral studies ??

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Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY


Mar 28, 2021, 4:18 PM [ in reply to Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY ]


Tar,

I know that ALL of you guys have driver's licenses and so it seems impossible that lots of people don't but . . .

These numbers may be off a percentage or two, but for people over twenty years of age, about 18% of them do not have a driver's license. Now people over twenty make up about 81% of the total population, so by my calculations, that puts the number of voting age adults without a DL at about 50 million.

Perhaps 50 million Americans should be allowed to vote.




If we are going to move further away from requiring a photo ID to vote, do you advocate for removing these same restrictions to buy a gun, alcohol, cigarettes, open a checking account, enter many public and private buildings or qualify for Medicaid? A valid photo ID is required to engage in each of these activities and many others. Is this discrimination?

2020 was a record setting election with 62% of eligible voters voting. Only 54% of eligible voters voted in 2012. I honestly believe if a person truly wants to vote, the effort to obtain a valid ID and vote is not a high bar. It's a disgrace that the stats even on registered voters participating in elections suck.I truly want every legal American citizen to register to vote and then vote. No one should complain if they don't vote. Neither of my grandmothers had a DL. They had ID and voted.

Texas alone is estimated to have over a million illegal immigrants of voting age. What safeguards do you propose to ensure that these non citizens don't vote if a valid photo ID is not required?

We are to trust that elections will be secure by lessening proof of being a valid citizen and resident of a particular locale?

It is not a racist concept to require photo ID anymore than it is not racist to require the same to qualify for Medicaid? How is requiring ID to vote bad, but good to receive government health care?

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You can tell how disingenuous the argument is


Mar 28, 2021, 4:36 PM

by how narrow it is. Like no #### people are in favor of some mechanism to make sure voters are who they claim to be. It's not the id itself that's the issue, it's all the extra steps. In addition to having the ID, you need to make sure everything is current and accurate. This is the same reason Republicans live purging voter registrations: it disproportionately affects poor people because they move around more often. Come back when you want to make voter registration free and automatic and maybe someone will take you seriously.

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If disingenuous is narrow, that comment defines it.***


Mar 28, 2021, 5:59 PM



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You see how no one is rushing in here


Mar 28, 2021, 6:10 PM

to make an argument against giving people water?

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Re: You can tell how disingenuous the argument is


Mar 28, 2021, 6:34 PM [ in reply to You can tell how disingenuous the argument is ]

cac2011® said:

by how narrow it is. Like no #### people are in favor of some mechanism to make sure voters are who they claim to be. It's not the id itself that's the issue, it's all the extra steps. In addition to having the ID, you need to make sure everything is current and accurate. This is the same reason Republicans live purging voter registrations: it disproportionately affects poor people because they move around more often. Come back when you want to make voter registration free and automatic and maybe someone will take you seriously.




What mechanism would you suggest to ensure voters are who they claim to be? I've moved around multiple times myself though not recently. I've registered to vote in multiple locations in SC and in several states. I didn't find it to be an onerous chore. I never paid to register to vote. Accuracy would seem to be a reasonable standard for every endeavor.

Please define what you are referring to when you reference automatic voter registration?

So if one favors accuracy in the voter rolls and favors photo ID to register to vote, one is not a serious person? If one favors abandoning photo ID, matching signatures, accuracy of the rolls, one is a serious person. Essentially if one does not share your opinions on this matter, there is not even a need to have a discussion.

I would support attempting to contact individuals and helping them update their info, before purging them from the voter rolls. I also support absentee ballots for any reason along with Saturday voting and a National Holiday at least every 2 years when there are congressional elections.

I in no way support bills that would prohibit having water available to voters. I'm not down with all of the proposed changes in some states. I'm not alone in feeling this way.

I would suggest that Appalachia which is essentially all white is very poor. I want these people to provide photo ID and for the voter rolls of Appalachia to be accurate too. Perhaps the states comprising Appalachia aren't actively purging the rolls, if not, then I would support cleaning the rolls up, but only after an attempt to confirm that a voter's information is not accurate and current. I respect your view that no American citizen should be deterred from voting. I share that with you and again think it is pathetic that so few registered voters bother to vote.

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Re: You can tell how disingenuous the argument is


Mar 28, 2021, 6:47 PM

Here's a pretty simple study that shows avr works. I think we're up to 19 or 20 States where this is implemented. Again, if voting is easy, the id thing isn't a problem.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/avr-impact-state-voter-registration


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Free - good. I agree.


Mar 29, 2021, 12:19 PM [ in reply to You can tell how disingenuous the argument is ]

Automatic - Good in theory... but how do you plan on carrying this part out?

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Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY


Sep 12, 2016, 4:53 PM [ in reply to Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY ]

The ID does not have to be a drivers license. The state of GA will provide a photo ID free of charge. No ID , no vote. No excuses.

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Mar 28, 2021, 5:31 PM [ in reply to Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY ]

If you don’t have your life in order enough to have an ID then maybe you should sit down. I’m 46 and had to show my ID a few hours ago to buy beer with lunch. My dad is 80 hasn’t driven a car in years and only gets out the house if someone picks him up but he still has a South Carolina issued ID. So tell me why someone can’t get an ID to vote.

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY


Mar 28, 2021, 6:25 PM

Very good points. If you don’t have a valid ID in this world what are the chances you are even a remotely informed voter?

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Mar 28, 2021, 6:52 PM

Exactly. He insists on having an ID even though he’s legally blind. Worked 2 jobs when I was a kid at for a brief period worked 3.

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


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Mar 28, 2021, 7:17 PM

Sounds like he’s been a great role model. Great work ethic.

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Mar 28, 2021, 8:10 PM [ in reply to Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY ]

Tar

Are you really saying that the approximately 50 million Americans without a DL are too stupid or disengaged to be allowed to participate in our democracy ??

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Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY


Mar 28, 2021, 8:12 PM

Not at all. I’m saying there’s other forms of ID that are acceptable.

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Mar 28, 2021, 7:59 PM [ in reply to Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY ]

Tobias27772

They are talking about an ID NOT a driver's license necessarily. 18% don't have a DL, but how any do not have an ID?

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Mar 28, 2021, 8:17 PM

NC,

That is a more difficult number to come up with. It is not 50 Million, but it is way more than acceptable in a demopcrtacy. This was the best article I could find on it.

https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02/fact-check-millions-government-photo-id/

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Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY


Mar 28, 2021, 8:17 PM

democracy

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Every state allows you to get an ID card


Mar 29, 2021, 9:31 AM [ in reply to Re: THIS IS DEFINITELY ]

Instead of a DL ... only caveat you have to prove who you are

What else you got?

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The filibuster is now racist too


Mar 28, 2021, 1:23 PM

The Dems used it 300 times the last 4 yrs

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/08/senate-record-breaking-gridlocktrump-303811


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All opposition to leftist dogma is racist by definition.


Mar 28, 2021, 1:49 PM

That is literally where we are in 2021. They know that the threat of being called a racist will cause cowards and dimwits to fall in line without so much as a whimper. This twisted weaponization of racism has become a form of bullying to be used against unsuspecting, unwoke white people who don't have a racist bone in their bodies.

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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
- H. L. Mencken


No question, that is the talking point. Burn it all down,


Mar 28, 2021, 3:06 PM

use a propaganda msm to blame the other guy, rule what remains: Fascists.

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Lol.


Mar 28, 2021, 4:15 PM [ in reply to All opposition to leftist dogma is racist by definition. ]

Things have gone off the rails if you need to convince yourself that being called racist is meaningless. "Only dumb dumbs change their behavior when the woke lame stream media says something is racist. Us big brain haver 4d chess players see through that and know that it's actually a good thing to be called racist."

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I keep trying to help you, but you need some more schooling


Mar 28, 2021, 5:11 PM

before I'll be any good to you.

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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
- H. L. Mencken


White liberals think black people have a hard time


Mar 28, 2021, 2:28 PM

getting ID and finding voting locations and evidently they don't know where the dmv is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

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And black people think such white liberals are ignorant,


Mar 28, 2021, 3:03 PM

stupid racists.

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Re: White liberals think black people have a hard time


Mar 28, 2021, 3:17 PM [ in reply to White liberals think black people have a hard time ]

Wow that video is amazing. I’ve always said black people should be offended at what white democrats think of them. Well, there you go.

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I guess church is out and the circle jerk has started.


Mar 28, 2021, 3:58 PM

This whole thread is comical. Nobody would care about voter ID if it were part of an effort to make voting easier.

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voting is very very easy


Mar 28, 2021, 4:12 PM

nobody is prevented from voting

it's also easy to lie and vote for someone else

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So easy


Mar 28, 2021, 4:19 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nowthisnews.com/amphtml/news/georgia-residents-report-waiting-in-line-to-vote-for-up-to-11-hours


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Re: So easy


Mar 28, 2021, 5:52 PM

cac2011® said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nowthisnews.com/amphtml/news/georgia-residents-report-waiting-in-line-to-vote-for-up-to-11-hours


Could it just be possible that the reason for the long wait had more to do with COVID than with voter suppression? The photo you posted shows quite a few white voters in line waiting to vote.

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Let me help you here.


Mar 28, 2021, 4:38 PM [ in reply to I guess church is out and the circle jerk has started. ]

Both dems and pubs have a selfish interest in this, no doubt. Both want to win elections. Dems believe that having voter id requirements will hurt their chances of winning elections, and pubs think it wil help their chances. Having said that, we all know that not requiring id increases the chances for certain types of voter fraud, which dems believe will benefit them, and this is the whole, entire reason dems oppose it, and the reason pubs are for it. It's that simple, and everything else is a lie, especially the part about racist pubs trying to oppress black people by restricting their right to vote - that is laughable. Dems really don't care about secure elections or voter fraud, as long as they win.

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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
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Let me help you here with what you don't want to admit.


Mar 28, 2021, 4:44 PM

America leans left. Dems want more people to vote because if our elected officials actually reflected the population, democrats would win more elections.

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Re: Let me help you here with what you don't want to admit.


Mar 28, 2021, 4:52 PM

Data says America leans center-right.


I haven't seen anything reputable to suggest we lean left.

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Other than the last 4 popular votes in Pres elections?


Mar 28, 2021, 5:37 PM

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/26/what-the-2020-electorate-looks-like-by-party-race-and-ethnicity-age-education-and-religion/


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Re: Other than the last 4 popular votes in Pres elections?


Mar 28, 2021, 6:14 PM

https://news.gallup.com/poll/275792/remained-center-right-ideologically-2019.aspx


https://www.axios.com/political-ideology-2020-presidential-election-391db0b5-16ac-4aa0-8e48-f05cceb1c1e4.html


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/america-not-moving-left-213095


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Re: Other than the last 4 popular votes in Pres elections?


Mar 28, 2021, 6:31 PM

Yeah, if you ask people if they're conservative, moderate, or liberal, they'll tell you one thing, but go and look at support for liberal policies like minimum wage or Medicare for all and you'll see something much different.

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Re: Other than the last 4 popular votes in Pres elections?


Mar 29, 2021, 7:19 AM

Same with issues such as illegal immigration, police, military. People lean to the right.

You mentioned above the last 4 presidential elections; but that doesn't mean those voters lean left of center. There are still many democrats who lean to the right.

I'm probably one of the more liberal leaning posters on tnet, but call it like I see it, America doesn't lean left. Maybe in a couple more decades. (Although we've been saying that for 30 years now)

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Then tell them to get their i.d.s and turn out.***


Mar 28, 2021, 5:02 PM [ in reply to Let me help you here with what you don't want to admit. ]



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Lol. They did and Georgia turned blue.***


Mar 28, 2021, 5:38 PM



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See? It didn't prevent black people from voting.***


Mar 28, 2021, 6:48 PM



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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
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Which is why they want to change the rules.***


Mar 28, 2021, 6:50 PM



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Especially anchor babies, felons and brainwashed college


Mar 28, 2021, 6:00 PM [ in reply to Let me help you here with what you don't want to admit. ]

students.

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Can you back up your opinion at all?


Mar 28, 2021, 6:28 PM [ in reply to Let me help you here. ]

Where is this fraud? We just had a hugely successful election where voting was made easier and it was investigated to the nth degree and proven to be free from any widespread fraud. This should be celebrated and lead to those measures being made more permanent. Instead, for obvious reasons, Republicans want to go the other way. Republicans don't care about secure elections either, but they will certainly use it as an excuse in order to ensure fewer people vote because they are now antidemocratic in their beliefs.

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voting is a right


Mar 28, 2021, 4:36 PM

not a privilege. It pretty sad to see you guys supporting these laws, it just makes you sore losers. And the fact of the matter is that the entire south would be blue if not for the laws that have been on the books since the 1920's. I mean Mississippi and Louisisna over 40% black and has not voted Democrat since Clinton. Yeah, something does not quite add up here huh?

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So what if it's a right? Why is it wrong to require I.D.?***


Mar 28, 2021, 4:44 PM



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Re: So what if it's a right? Why is it wrong to require I.D.?***


Mar 28, 2021, 4:59 PM

No citizen with a photo ID will be stopped from voting. Period.

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Of course not. There's no legitimate reason not to require


Mar 28, 2021, 5:04 PM

it.

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voter fraud is easier without it


Mar 28, 2021, 5:38 PM

just collect names and addresses and vote for them

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And I'm sure you and Sidney Powell are going to


Mar 28, 2021, 5:40 PM

provide evidence that this is actually happening any day now.

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Re: So what if it's a right? Why is it wrong to require I.D.?***


Mar 28, 2021, 5:54 PM [ in reply to So what if it's a right? Why is it wrong to require I.D.?*** ]

you know this law is more than showing ID, and considering that in-person voter fraud, despite all of the claims to the contrary, is virtually non existent, making it harder to vote for no good reason at all is in fact voter suppression. You can rationalize however you like, but If I honestly asked you if you prefer one of two scenarios.

A) it is easy for EVERYONE TO VOTE LEGALLY, INCLUDING ALL BLACKS
B) Make it harder to Vote, ESPECIALLY FOR BLACKS

I already know which one YOU, and almost every other Republican would choose. It is a simple matter of putting your party in front of our democracy, which is why we call you a bunch of racists and fascists. Maybe that is unfair to say, but Damn it if you all don't unapologetically act that way.

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That's BS that it makes it harder for blacks to vote.


Mar 28, 2021, 7:07 PM

What a joke. That has absolutely ZERO to do with it.

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Admittedly, I don't want to make it too easy for anyone to


Mar 28, 2021, 7:25 PM [ in reply to Re: So what if it's a right? Why is it wrong to require I.D.?*** ]

vote. (I've always felt that then only informed voters who actually cared would vote. If you just had to click on a link on FaceBook to vote - then morons would vote a certain way because Taylor Swift told then to.)

And I do think you should be able to identify yourself via ID to vote.

The GA bill attempts to address long lines and offers to be sure to help everyone get an ID.

What is it about the bill that you see as an attempt to stop black voters from voting?

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There are a few things that stand out.


Mar 28, 2021, 7:35 PM

The most obvious is giving too much control to the state legislature. I also don't see how anyone can defend removing drop boxes or making it illegal to give someone water. There are admittedly good things in the bill as well, but there's no need to accept the bs that comes along with it.

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Yeah - the water thing is silly - but it says something


Mar 29, 2021, 8:28 AM

about all of us that - out of a 98-page bill - the water gets all of the attention.

I've not read the bill - not going to actually - so I'm trying to glean what I know from multiple sources. So - I heard on ABC news that drop boxes were not being eliminated - just controlled more - but I'm not sure exactly what that means.

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You're so full of shyatt your eyes are brown.


Mar 29, 2021, 8:08 AM [ in reply to voting is a right ]

Please explain to me why identifying your legal residence and who you are is racist.

[popcorn cooking]

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