Agree with a lot of rons1 post but do think there are issues

If my kids went to a school with security issues, I would be raising t-total hail and so would everybody else. I'm not, because the doors at my kids school lock properly, they have controlled entrance/exits, an armed resource officer, and in general, things seem to be reasonably secured.

Other than potentially providing money for areas that are too poor to provide door locks, I don't see where federal involvement is needed. Maybe making some strong recommendations for whatever that's worth.

If the pubs were smart, the NRA would be the least of their worries. It's a relatively small organization.... pisssing off their gun toting voter base should be a much larger concern of theirs.

Mental health - I don't know enough to really provide any ideas on this one. For sure it need to be addressed, but how to actually do it effectively??? Not sure.

Raising the age of semi-automatic rifle purchase/ownership to 21 is probably the best chance for some sort of bi-partisan agreement that would be meaningful. Maybe some sort of red-flag law as well.

I seriously doubt your last statement. If you look at the countries with the highest rates of violent gun deaths per 100K residents, we're not even in the top 10. It's mostly Latin America countries, South Africa and the Philippines.

Now, if you're talking about senseless non-gang related mass shootings... then you might be right. This is completely because of mental health issues... just like our extremely high suicide rate (2/3 of gun deaths are suicide)... also a mental health issue. Not an AR15 issue.

Want to restrict AR15 to 21yrs old? I'm fine with that, but you also need to raise age to carry a rifle in the military to 21. I would wager that most gun violence is perpetrated by 18-21 year olds... but I'm too lazy to google it.

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Re: Ok Pubs. You say guns aren't the problem

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Guns certainly can be used and are used to commit acts of violence along with knives, fists, feet and vehicles. I could go along with raising the age to purchase any firearm to 21 with the exception that active duty military or honorably discharged military under 21 could purchase ANY firearm including pistols.

I perhaps could support red flag laws as long as there is strong due process for those accused of being a threat to others or themselves.

I support hardening of schools with armed resource officers, locked doors, etc.

I would lean on social media sites with all the #### algorithms they have to report to law enforcement immediately when they pick up threatening language or posts.

I would call religious leaders together to beg them to try to discourage the epidemic of out of wedlock births with boys being raised without a strong male presence. It matters. It matters a lot.

I would increase funding for mental health services which are abysmal at the present.

I would personally be ok with a 5 day cooling off period before a gun could be acquired after purchase.

I'm not sure background checks are particularly effective. The Hispanic male in TX and the African American shooter in Tulsa both passed and apparently aren't white supremacists.

There are already almost 400 million guns in America including 15-20 million AR-15's. They have decades and decades of viability. If you banned every gun tomorrow, acquiring a gun would still be about as easy as scoring drugs.

A study out of the University of PA in 2004 showed that the Assault Weapons Ban had little impact in gun violence and stated that these weapons were used in no more than 8% of gun crimes BEFORE the ban.

I'm open to a full dialogue, but unless we address how we as a culture have gotten to a point where a disaffected 18 yr old could shoot 10 yr old kids down with no remorse we're not going to do much.

Even if we harden every school into a fortress, unless we address this issue from all angles, these sick evil people will then move on to other soft targets.

It's a complex problem, but we as a culture have moved from one in which I personally had a shotgun in my vehicle at school for after school hunting to one now, where I would be terrified if I knew a kid had a gun on school grounds.

Dems seemingly point to NOTHING ELSE BUT guns. Uncle Joe who is about as popular as the clap ended his address last night encouraging us to use this issue as the #1 issue when voting in the midterms. He should be so lucky.

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Have your guns stopped any mass murders?***

This woman's did

Re: This woman's did

Re: This woman's did

I disagree. Both in the hypothetical, and in the realistic

That guy should never have been able to get a gun.

Like what? What specific law would have prevented

Oh I don’t know, maybe a law which says that a felony conviction

That law already exists.***

You asked for a law and I gave you one.

No I asked for what specific law would have prevented

Re: Like what? What specific law would have prevented

He wasn’t able to legally. How do more gun laws magically

Re: Have your guns stopped any mass murders?***

But you should build doors for schools***

Re: But you should build doors for schools***

Have you considered this problem cannot be legislated away?

There's nothing we can do to STOP it

Well what's your idea, you retardd?

I posted mine earlier this week or last week

oh okay. Must have missed it.

Re: oh okay. Must have missed it.

oh yea, I remember that... I even replied to it.

Mental health is a medical insurance no-go... Really simple.***

You can't do things like shoot a mayoral candidate and

Great what-about

lol what? Maybe we could try keeping the violent people

How many mass shooters have criminal histories

Most of them. Uvalde shooter is an anomaly***

Let me guess, the fact that it happened at a school where others were armed

Who else was armed at the school?***

but we don't. that is not true by any sensible metric

Then nut up and say you support banning all firearms.

Yeah because it's definitely an all or nothing situation

How is it a "gun" problem, if you're not prepared to

So anything bad should be completely outlawed?***

I'm not sure of your point here.

I don’t understand why you don’t see any room for moderation.

Because if your aim is to stop or limit mass shootings with

Have Democrats put forth any compromise legislation

correct.

So you're blaming Democrats for Republicans not

I'm blaming Democrats for waiting 30+ years to put forward

Both parties are responsible for this sad state of affairs in America.

But only one side has been shrieking hysterically to "do

I’d like to think that Republicans would do SOMETHING

We should not be using the two-word phrase "the problem"

Does everything need to be a federal mandate?

obviously, bro

Only way I would agree to a red flag law if it was a felony

They will have to be very narrowly tailored.

"why won't the government fix all my problems???" - fbcoach***

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solid freaking post.***

"Cooling off" period.

If the age is raised in just semiauto firearms,

But you can kill 5 people with a single blast!

If it's anything like the ancient pump I bought from

Very well stated. Gun violence is not just about guns

why do you want to take away guns from millions of black

Fentanyl kills 150 people in the US every day

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Based on their inaction, they don't seem to care.

You keep repeating your line....

It's because the GOP rightfully sees mass shootings as

Republicans have shown no willingness to work on anything

They haven't?

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