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Does college basketball really need coaches?
Jan 14, 2022, 6:09 PM
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Hmmm.. I'd like to try a season with no gametime coaching. I think the good coached teams would be about the same list if the coaches had stayed home.
Coaches provide more watercooler fodder and entertainment than anything.
Kinda like a conductor in an orchestra. Lotta arm waving, but the band folks don't too much pay attention.
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Re: Does college basketball really need coaches?
Jan 14, 2022, 6:13 PM
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Talk about a cluster. How about require coaches to sit down and wear a gag so they cannot constantly yell except during a time out?
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Re: Does college basketball really need coaches?
Jan 14, 2022, 6:45 PM
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I don't know ,but why don't you ask Coach K.
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Does everyone get equal playing time too?***
Jan 14, 2022, 7:15 PM
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Do they really need referees?
Jan 14, 2022, 7:18 PM
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It edges closer to street ball every year. Palming/Carrying is no longer a violation. Traveling/walking is a random call, just part of the game. Grabbing/slapping/hand-checking is ignored 99% of the time. Shoving or displacing another player is considered "good, tough, physical play". Nobody, including refs, knows the difference between charging/blocking; all such calls seem to be based totally on feel or perception instead of any objective criteria.
No coaches, no refs - just let 'em run wild.
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Re: Do they really need referees?
Jan 14, 2022, 7:42 PM
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How would the ACC make sure the right team loses without ACC refs?
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Maybe I just got used to it, but I actually think the palming/
Jan 14, 2022, 9:21 PM
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carrying was worse 12-15 years ago. And I see no sense in having that semi-circle under the basket, where you can't charge inside it. Charging should be charging, regardless of where you are!
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CU Medallion [58410]
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Agree about the semi-circle. But no players dribble anymore.
Jan 14, 2022, 9:37 PM
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It's all a full out carry. All crossovers involve a blatant carry, and a lot of guards, while standing in place to set up the offense, repeatedly put their hand fully under the ball and turn it all the way over; literally letting it come to rest in their upturned palm, then turning it over and bouncing it off the court and repeating. It's the very definition of palming. A lot of very productive offensive players' entire offens is based on the dribble-drive which requires at least one blatant carry; without it they would be average or below average players. Watch Nick Honor sometime; his entire game is based around the carry.
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Re: Do they really need referees?
Jan 15, 2022, 9:34 AM
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Your wrong; If its Duke or UNC, ,Palming/Carrying is not a violation .It is a violation if you are Clemson. Traveling calls only go against Clemson. If it's Duke, or UNC it is Palming/Carrying which is no longer a violation( see above).
Clemson players runs into a Duke or UNC player it's a Charge. Duke ,or UNC player runs into a Clemson player it's an automatic Blocking call.
Only Duke and UNC can play "good tough physical play". Clemson gets a Technical Foul, then a Flagrant Technical on the next infraction.
And that is why you need referees.
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Re: Do they really need referees?
Jan 15, 2022, 9:55 AM
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No, you're wrong.
I get it, refs are biased, and a lot of them sure do seem to go against us, even though I'm not sure it's nearly as bad as it was 20, 30, or 40 years ago when it was blatant. Coach K still snarls and curses and stomps his feet and gets his calls though. I remember well how Dean Smith/Roy Williams/Norm Sloan/Lefty Drisell/Bobby Cremmins/Terry Holland got all of the calls.
What I'm talking about is the way ALL players play now, including all of ours. Refs have simply quit enforcing certain rules - period. Somewhere along the line it was a conscious decision on their part, until now I don't think today's players even know any better as they have all incorporated all of this illegal play into their game. The intentional decision of refs to ignore certain violations has drastically altered the way the game is played, taught, and coached, and thus the way it has evolved.
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Re: Do they really need referees?
Jan 15, 2022, 1:52 PM
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If a Duke player runs into a UNC player I’m pretty sure that’s a charge on Clemson.
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Yes but the best don't try to micro manage to death...
Jan 14, 2022, 8:18 PM
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Go there! Out! Right there! At the top there lungs...
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It wouldn't be college basketball...
Jan 14, 2022, 10:36 PM
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without coaches micromanaging everything.
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Re: Does college basketball really need coaches?
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Jan 15, 2022, 9:42 AM
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I think Clemson could pay minimum wage for someone to stand there and yell “MOOOVE!!!”
throughout the game.
Kind of like the guys on the side of the road flipping the signs around every which way.
They’d probably do it.
Heck, I’d do it.
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GOOD gametime coaches definitely affect the outcome of
Jan 15, 2022, 9:49 AM
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basketball games. Without them, when you see some of these runs that teams get on during a game, who knows HOW long that run would last without an astute coach there to call a timeout, and get his team's mind right, and turn that around. You see it happen in every game.
I sure wish we had one of those type coaches. Ours draws up a lot of x's and o's, but when the team goes back out there, no evidence of that plan shows up, most of the time.
Unless the Master Plan really was to pass the ball around the perimeter until the shot clock gets desperate, and then launch a contested trey.
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