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All-In [27363]
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Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:21 PM
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Our Tigers would not have won Saturday if Klubnik wasn’t put into the game in the fourth quarter.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:24 PM
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Hard to say. If he comes back in and they just run the ball like Klubnik we might still win. Or hey maybe he shakes off those interceptions and balls out. Who really knows.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:26 PM
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Agree. For one thing, there is no chance that DJ makes that 2 point conversion throw with a collapsing pocket. He would have taken the sack.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 5:08 PM
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In the end, the 2 pt conversion wasn't needed and Syracuse still had to score a TD. It was a thing of beauty though.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:26 PM
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We will never really know and that's fine since we got the W.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:26 PM
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Agree. Everyone focuses on his lack of stats. Anyone in the stadium could see and feel the teams pace and coincidence change. Agree it helped that it forced Streeter to call running plays which he should have done throughout
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:32 PM
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I agree with your point that there was a different feeling in the stadium. I know that it was a decision that I would have made under the circumstances.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Totally agree with this. I stated this a few days ago and still feel the same - if we had played Danny Ford ball all game, we run away with this game.
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Yep. You don’t always have to be balanced.***
Oct 26, 2022, 5:51 PM
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I agree, due to Cade is a different threat running
Oct 25, 2022, 8:29 PM
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We know the QBs are part of the run game, but we know DJ is not going to beat you with outside runs. I think you have to worry more about Cade getting lose or scrambling looking to pass. I just think he provided the spark we needed. Sometimes you pull your starting pitcher in the 2nd inning bc he’s getting lit up, doesn’t mean he’s not your starting pitcher anymore. Fortunately we have a capable backup that can step up in that situation, may not have been so lucky if the game was in NY
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:33 PM
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Agreed. Dabo had perfect timing on the switch.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 8:44 PM
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Agree. DJ just didn't have it, passing or handing off. Didn't even run much. Cade is still running around like crazy, but he did seem to ignite a spark in the team (penalties helped too).
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Re: Agree or disagree ....
Oct 25, 2022, 8:50 PM
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I agree, but there is no way to ever know for sure.
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I agree.
Oct 25, 2022, 8:57 PM
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Not saying we couldn’t have won with DJ on Saturday, but it seemed unlikely.
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Hypothetical. Therefore I disagree.
Oct 25, 2022, 8:59 PM
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Probably.
Oct 25, 2022, 9:10 PM
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DJ was not firing on all cylinders, and Cade gave us a spark. No doubt about that. DJ knows it, Cade, knows it, and Dabo knows it. That doesn't mean that DJ has failed, lost the job, and Cade should take over now as #1 QB. Not at all - that would be severely flawed logic. Dabo has made his position crystal clear - DJ is the leader of the team, and is the starter. To the disappointment of many, that has not changed. Having said that, I think the real take away here is that it's now very clear that while DJ is the starter, if he struggles, we have a guy that is getting better and better and 100% capable of coming in and doing the job. To me, that's a good thing.
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Re: Probably.
Oct 26, 2022, 11:06 AM
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Honestly, I feel like DJ will improve his game overall from here knowing that the full weight of our offense's success isn't purely on his shoulders, that we have a capable backup that can come in deliver if he isn't on top of his game. IMO DJ is likely to play a little looser and less uptight from here, which can only be a good thing for us. Cade also now has more confidence should he be called upon again.
It was a great move to not only change it up there from a momentum and energy standpoint, but to show the team that we have two capable QBs as we head into the championship phase of the season.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 9:11 PM
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Cade only threw 4 passes so I disagree. The decision was made to run the ball down their throat and Cade was just a facilitator but did a good job doing so.
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Agree.
Oct 25, 2022, 9:13 PM
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1st Quarter: DJ threw a pick at the Syracuse 15 yard line with 5 seconds left in the 1st Quarter after a 14 play drive that covered 42 yards and used up 5:25.
2nd Quarter: DJ fumbled at the Syracuse 3 yard line on 1st and goal with 9:14 left in the 2nd quarter after a 9 play 43 yard drive that used up 4:06. Aside from one incomplete pass to Randall, each play was a handoff or short pass to Shipley or Mafah.
3rd Quarter: DJ throws a pick at the 50 yard line.
3 DJ turnovers in less than 3 quarters. With Clemson down 21-10, 3 of our 8 drives to this point ended in DJ turnovers, 2 at the Syracuse 15 and 3 yard lines after long time consuming drives, one a Syracuse TD. The defense has given up 2 touchdowns, but only 17 yards in the last three drives of the Orangemen.
As Dabo said, I wasn't going to let DJ get a 4th turnover.
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Orange Blooded [4024]
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Agree.
Oct 25, 2022, 9:20 PM
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Not the same as saying Cade should start over DJ. Just saying Dabo will know when to play all of our qbs.
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If you agree that means you agree with Dabo.
Oct 25, 2022, 9:26 PM
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So does that mean you also agree that DJ just had a bad game, but he is still clearly and firmly the starting QB?
I'm not sure I understand the purpose of the post.
Dabo made the decision that at that point in the game CK gave Clemson the best chance to win. It appears he made the correct decision.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 9:36 PM
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The purpose of the post was to point out that the Tigers are a deep and well coached team!!!!
Having the second team guy come in when the number one guy was down and take COMPLETE control of the game and get the come from behind win was big ..... in my eyes Seminole
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Orange Blooded [3728]
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Agree…I have never seen a team come back…
Oct 25, 2022, 10:36 PM
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…from two (2) turnovers that could be categorized as “point-loss turnovers”, i.e., the turnover cost the offense almost certain points.
In the case of the fumble on the 3 yard line, that was a rare double-point-loss turnover, i.e., a 14-pt swing, not 7-pt swing. The interception at the 15-yd line, was well within Potter’s FG range, and while Syracuse had a subsequent 3-and-out, this was also a point-loss turnover.
Then, as the overthrow interception occurred for the 3rd turnover, I thought to myself that I had never seen a team recover from this number of high-cost turnovers. I had truly given up hope that Clemson could win.
While Cade was effectively just handing the ball off, that was precisely the strategy that should have been used to attack the Syracuse defense.
DJ should never have kept that ball on the goal line, but should have just given it to Mafah.
So, what was needed from Cade at that moment was perfectly aligned, and Cade had the speed to execute the run-first strategy.
And, I agree that the amazing throw from Cade for that 2-point conversion, was realized due to Cade’s speed to prevent him from getting sacked. DJ would have gotten sacked.
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It sort of reminded me of Washington’s crossing the Delaware
Oct 25, 2022, 10:51 PM
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Not equating the equivalence of these two events of historical importance, but, just as Washington’s troops and the American colonists had essentially NOTHING left to hope for by the end of the year 1776, I don’t know how many Clemson fans had much hope left after that 3rd turnover and a 21-10 deficit.
But, Washington needed a “BOLD STROKE”, that “Hail Mary” of all events against all odds, and he and his band of renegades pulled off the most important battle in the American Revolution.
I personally thought it was a “BOLD STROKE” for Dabo to PULL DJ. I personally would never have had the guts to do that in that circumstance. And, then as Dabo STAYED with Cade the ENTIRE REMAINING GAME, it was just unbelievable to me. The “rest of the troops” showed true resilience and grit to pull of that victory.
Dabo was right in saying this victory was “one for the ages”.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 25, 2022, 10:40 PM
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He came in in the 3rd quarter, not the 4th.
We will never know the answer. But there was definitely a spark of hope and confidence once the change was made.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 6:07 AM
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Agree, Stevie Wonder could see that. “The spark”, no turnovers and his running threat made the difference.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 6:21 AM
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Agree. Not because he’s the better QB, but because of the threat of his running ability. Also, they couldn’t afford another turnover as DJ was responsible for 3 himself, including a 14 point swing on the scoop and score.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Agree. Syracuse had to respect Cade more as an outside running threat with more speed and mobility. That opened up our running lanes more, and the rest is history. DJ had an off day passing. He's not the run threat Cade is. The change scared the daylights out of me, but it turned out to be a brilliant move by the coaching staff.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 9:34 AM
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It really doesn't matter to me and is not worth speculating because we will never know. What IS apparent is that the coaches know the players abilities as they see them in practice everyday and Dabo knew DJ was having an off day and that Cade had the ability to get the job done. With the season on the line he made the tough decision to put that responsibility on his freshman's shoulders. I think we get caught up in the excitement and lose sight of what a great coach Dabo is.
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***Agree***
Oct 26, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 11:11 AM
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Disagree.
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Yes***
Oct 26, 2022, 2:43 PM
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 2:52 PM
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I think Dabo made the right call. If I had to go with the trend and direction the game was headed, I’m comfortable saying, I agree. The defense did a great job in the second half to give them the chance, kept the game in reach.
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Putting Klubnik in was a change of pace along with the up tempo which the off-play of DJ dictated. But I said from the beginning of last week the way to beat this Syracuse team was to wear them down with the run, run, run! Which they finally did to get the win with what say 292 yards rushing in the end! Why did not Dabo and Streeter see this from their film reviews combined with a much smaller roster with a lack of quality depth?
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Re: Agree or disagree ......
Oct 26, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Agree...dj would have never drawn the roughing call, he can't run that fast...no two point conversion, he never would have seen him!
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If DJ doesn't turn the ball over again
Oct 26, 2022, 5:15 PM
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we definitely could've won with him. But sometimes when that stuff gets in your head... there's no way to know if he would've fumbled again or something.
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Totally agree. Just not DJ’s day. Sometimes the “ace” gets
Oct 26, 2022, 5:50 PM
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the hook and the middle reliever gets things back on track.
It was a great decision to being in Cade when we did.
The defense played lights out in the second half, but Cuse already had enough points.
Something or someone had to spark the offense into digging out of that hole.
It was painfully obvious that ... on this particular afternoon ... it was not going to be DJ.
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Impossible to say
Oct 26, 2022, 5:55 PM
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DJ may have had something click and lit up Syracuse for 3-4 TD’s
He also could have turned the ball over and missed passes
Glad we got another quality team win
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