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ACC may eliminate divisions…

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Feb 10, 2022, 12:54 PM

https://www.si.com/college/bostoncollege/football/jim-phillips-talks-no-divisions-acc-football


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I am fine with that.***


Feb 10, 2022, 1:03 PM



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Feb 10, 2022, 1:37 PM

Water is wet.

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Feb 10, 2022, 2:03 PM

A division less conference favors no one, but could perhaps benefit Notre Dame.
Any discussions?

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Feb 10, 2022, 2:16 PM

I am just wondering how that would benefit ND?
Just because they get rid of the division- all that would do is take the top two teams and they would play in ACC Championship game- or did I misunderstand and they are talking about doing away with the game- I could see how that would play in the favor of ND.

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Notre Dame


Feb 10, 2022, 7:43 PM

No divisions, with Notre Dame as a football member worked fine last year.

I like the proposal, as it would entice ND to join as as permanent football member without having to take a school like West Virginia for balance.

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Feb 10, 2022, 2:17 PM

leftie said:

A division less conference favors no one, but could perhaps benefit Notre Dame.
Any discussions?




Why would we discuss something stupid? If you want discussion then add some detail in terms of how it benefits ND. We would then be able to easily shoot it down and ridicule you for the idea

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I have often thought that if money is what motivates


Feb 10, 2022, 3:35 PM

the decision makers...then they will figure out a way to let Notre Dame play in the ACC-CG with only playing 5 games.

They will have to come up with rules and tie breakers that somehow puts a 5-0 Notre Dame ahead of a 7-1 team like UVA.

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Feb 10, 2022, 2:04 PM

I support that.

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Feb 10, 2022, 2:28 PM

It only worked smoothly in 2020 because there were two dominants teams(Clemson and Notre Dame) two good teams(Miami and UNC) and they each played each other and a corresponding team in the next category.

If the weekend of Oct. 10th we had played Duke and Miami played Syracuse (Those two teams did play each other that weekend instead) we would have both finished 8-1, not played each other in a head to head and had to go to combined win percentage of conference teams which was 68.25% and 69.02%.


I am a fan of no divisions if you are able to play a round robin, but otherwise it opens itself up to crazy tiebreakers and unbalanced schedules. Playing a 9-0 Notre Dame and a 1-8 Syracuse should not equate to the same schedule value as playing a 7-3 NC State and 3-7 Louisville, but in the world of tie breakers it is.

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agree- this is just going to lead to them scheduling the


Feb 10, 2022, 3:18 PM

best teams out of the of the conf champ game more years due to imbalanced schedules

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Feb 10, 2022, 4:18 PM

We were VERY close to having a 3-way tie in the Atlantic division this year, a 7-team division. There are established procedures for tie-breakers that have stood the test of time. I don't see how having something similar happen to a top 3 in a divisionless format, of a clear top and a tie for 2nd, is much different, other than perhaps one of the teams not having played the other, but that's where common opponent records factor in.

I would easily choose 3 months of Saturdays featuring more dynamic scheduling, better travel opportunities, and reinvigorating rivalries with UNC, Miami, and Va Tech over throttling back that product for one single game in early December.

The cream of the crop will rise to the top, and a championship-caliber team will be there regardless. IMHO at least.

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you play everybody in the division so more often than not

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Feb 10, 2022, 5:05 PM

the tiebreakers will at least make sense. When you pool everybody together, there are 5 teams you aren't playing in a given season. There's a very good chance that you're going to have tiebreakers where they didn't play each other and the schedules are pretty disparate. Doing this with 14 teams vs the 10 or teams the Big 12 was doing it with is vastly different.

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Feb 10, 2022, 5:47 PM

Into the 1980's the SEC played 7 league games with 10 teams and had no problem claiming an outright champion that way without a whole lot of fuss, even though the champ skipped playing two teams altogether. Eight games is plenty to separate two championship contenders from the rest, regardless of who ultimately fills your schedule that season. If you look back at the ACC over the years, it's easy to spot the best two, via conference records, regardless of which division they played in. Having to fully round robin through a conference slate isn't something that has been a historic part of college football. The Pac 10 and Big 10 didn't fully round robin for years but still named outright conference champs.

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just imagine, our conf schedule could then look like this


Feb 10, 2022, 3:28 PM

Home WF, Duke, Syracuse, GT
Away- UVA, UL, BC, NCSU

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also, pretty naïve for Andelson to think 2020 only happened


Feb 10, 2022, 3:37 PM

because of lack of divisions. If they had kept divisions that year, I'm fairly certain they would not have had ND in the same division as Clemson. They would have likely met anyway.

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The ACC was very close to pursuing this years ago but was


Feb 10, 2022, 4:49 PM

afraid that their two stars, us and FSU, one of whom was guaranteed a loss during the regular season, would rematch in the title game and potentially eliminate one or the other, or both, from the CFP, whereas if they didn't play again the one on the losing end the first time could still get in by not potentially garnering a second loss, while the other could steamroll a lesser competitor from the Coastal.

Were we to ditch divisions you could count on us playing Georgia Tech, NC State, and FSU every year as our three permanents then mixing in all the rest equally, home and away, every four years. Everybody wins here.

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Feb 10, 2022, 3:43 PM

Not my idea but i like this model with 14 team ACC. 8 confermece games, 3 permanent opponents, leaves 10 conference teams that you can play home and home against all 10 in a 4 year period. Switch permanant opponents evey 4 years if wanted. Think its alot better than what exists now where you might not play a team in the other division for 5-6 years. We havent played at Duke since 2012, UVA since 2013, etc.

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Feb 10, 2022, 5:03 PM

HA. Wow I miss playing football at Duke's mainly empty little stadium.

Still will get a schedule full of boring ACC games any way you slice it. I can't imagine switching permanent rivals every four years. Imagine Syracuse, BC or Pitt being our permanent rivals. Yawn. We need to have our southern rivals GT and FSU on our schedule every year.

Wish they would find a way to split geographically. Still think the border rivalries with teams in the states that are closest to you is what has made the SEC historically so good.

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Feb 10, 2022, 7:34 PM

Sure, border rivalries works OK for Clemson and GA Tech, and NC schools, and VA schools in a scenario of 2 permanent rivalry games + 1 rotational game from among the 'non-rivalry' ACC teams + ND.

But there is too little flexibility for Clemson as far as reasonably frequent games against the few reliably good ACC opponents such as FSU, Miami, and ND. Clemson's schedule is fundamentally weaker without playing FSU, and we would have an even worse schedule if NC State ... as a 'border school' ... happens to not be among our two NC border state 'permanent rivals.'

Clemson gets Ga Tech and two 'permanent rival from among N.Carolina, NC State, Wake, & Duke.

Floating games (5 of them) are among the 11 other schools of FSU, Miami, the 2 other 'non-permanent' NC schools, LOU, SYR, Pitt, BC, UVA, and VaTech. A game with is of the same rarity, since all of ND's 5 ACC games will continue to be permanently rotational. When ND rotates into Clemson's schedule, one of our 'normal' ACC rotational games simply gets cancelled in favor of ND.

In some years, that will result in a 3 game home ACC schedule and a 5 game road ACC schedule. The only way that an always 4 home game + 4 away game ACC schedule would be if, every once in a while, ND is allowed to play only 4 ACC games in a season.

Maybe some small stadium / weak home crowd ACC teams would be OK with the periodic 3 home game schedule, but Clemson, FSU, Miami, NC State, UNC, VaTech, and LOU would be pizzed.

Clemson is better off with 2 divisions and an assured 4 home ACC games every year.

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