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FB Update: Details on Lakip's arrest


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:19 AM
 

 
Details on Lakip's arrest

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How long has Swinney been on vacation?


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:23 AM
 

He was arrested on June 6. I'm sure Swinney heard about it the next day.

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Re: How long has Swinney been on vacation?


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:38 PM
 

Who knows. I have heard that he was arrested a couple years ago for possession of Marijuanna while he was driving through Franklin County Ga. Wonder if Dabo knew about that. One of the L.E. personnel involved told me that he said many times something to the nature of I hope the coaches dont find out. (I was not there, so I cant say for a fact it happened, just what I have heard)

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When I was in school, I never met a student

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:26 AM
 

as far as I know, that had or did Cocaine; much less an athlete. Honestly, none of my friends could have afforded it anyways. We were scrapping pennies to decide if we should have The Beast or Keystone.

Did you?

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:29 AM
 

I was in college from 2003-2008. Cocaine is everywhere. It is almost as common if not as common as weed now.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:32 PM
 

As a student from 2005-2009, can also confirm this.

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Well, that's depressing


Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 7:09 AM
 

Maybe I was just sheltered as a student (1991-95), I dunno. I saw a lot (a LOT) of drunk kids but I don't recall seeing any illegal drugs, even weed. Then again I didn't go to many parties.

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Re: Well, that's depressing


Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 7:25 AM
 

Dang man, u must not have got out much. Weed is everywhere in colleges, unfortunately. Coke is pretty common also, as it goes along with the party scene.

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Re: Well, that's depressing


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:47 PM
 

And half the stuff college kids think is Coke is actually Meth. It is amazing how many drug arrests I have made and the person did not have the drug they thought they had. Considering that most Coke and Meth has been stepped on 85% by the time it gets to the street dealer, it lookes and tastes pretty much the same. Both taste like cut. Both will numb your tongue.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 5:32 PM
 

are you from 'less than zero'?

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:44 PM
 

Thats my general observation as well. Most people just do not see the Coke because they are not looking for it. It does not smell. People taking it are not stoned or F..ked up.

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Yes


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:37 AM
 

In the early 90's it was everywhere. I saw athletes do it and saw it at many of the parties I went to. It was extremely common.

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It was around but expensive...

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:39 AM
 

Good way to go broke and flunk out.

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Re: It was around but expensive...

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:59 AM
 

yup, talk to my freshman roommate, was gone by Juanuary, left me that sweet room on E5 all to myself.

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Re: It was around but expensive...


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:50 PM
 

Lot cheaper than weed. $900 an ounce un-stepped on. That can be cut to 7 oz. For the average party user (not a chronic) that is enough to last a year and a half.

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50 cent beer and penny poker at the frat house


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:34 AM
 

We had a 2 keg cooler at the fraternity house (i went to Lander) beer was 50 cents for a 16 oz solo cup and some times we had to run a tab because that was more than we had till mom could sneak me some money without dad finding out.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 1:05 PM
 

Yes, it was everywhere, but I'm not surprised that you didn't know. I didn't know for a long time that a lot of my closest friends did it regularly. most people that do it keep it very quiet around their friends that they feel would have an issue with it.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 2:10 PM
 

It's amazing that people are so against doing a little coke or smoking weed, yet they joke around and think it's funny that kids get so drunk they can't walk.

Alcohol kills hundreds of thousands of people a year and hundreds of thousands more innocent people that are killed by drunk drivers.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 2:30 PM
 

where do you get your stats from? Total alcohol related deaths where around 88,000 in 2013 and that included about 10,000 from alcohol related accidents.

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 2:39 PM
 

And how many deaths from coke or weed? I know there were zero from weed and I would bet that coke related deaths were no where near alcohol related, yet I can get as much alcohol as I want all day everyday.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:56 PM
 

There are many DUI drug traffic fatalities.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:53 PM
 

A drug of abuse is a drug of abuse. I see no difference in any of them except the fact some are illegal and some are not. Commiting a crime is the subject at hand when discussing actions of student ahtletes.

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He is from the wealthiest suburb of Atlanta (Johns Creek)


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 3:40 PM
 

Money isn't an issue.

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Re: When I was in school, I never met a student


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:40 PM
 

Cocaine is not any harder to get than weed. Even though I have never used either, from what I have seen as a Police officer, Cocaine in non-crack form is a much safer drug than pot.

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Do cops really believe what they write?

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:33 AM
 

Does anyone really think that a "fixed blank glassy glaze about his face and had the appearance of someone who may be under the influence" can be seen by someone driving by them at some rate of speed, in the dark?

Face it, the driver was pulled because it was 1am and leaving downtown Clemson. The driver, then failed every DUI test.

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I noticed that as well. For better or worse, Clemson


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:37 AM
 

doesn't seem to have the same problems with police giving special treatment to athletes as Tallahassee. Although after the FSU game, maybe this was retaliation.

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The officer also said he failed to use his turn signal

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:39 AM
 

He also drifted left of center. Sounds like he had more than enough to make a traffic stop.

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Re: The officer also said he failed to use his turn signal


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:52 AM
 

I could be wrong, but I thought the officer had to observe you "cross the line" 3 times to stop you for a DUI?

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I don't know what the SC laws are on that


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:14 AM
 

but the blinker alone is enough to pull him over.

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What about the DUI charge?


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:46 AM
 

Since he refused the breathalyzer

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plenty of evidence to convict and probably why the report is

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:59 AM
 

so detailed right up to the refusal.

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Re: The officer also said he failed to use his turn signal


Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 5:07 PM
 

It's hysterical how many of these comments are defending a guy who drove drunk (in possession of cocaine to boot). Let's talk about how the cop made up the "glazed look" statement and wrongfully pulled him over and how rigged the field sobriety test is. The fact is that cop is protecting your family, your kids and you from stupid drunk drivers on the road. Lakip made a terrible decision and should pay for it, just like anyone else. The tendency for people to jump on the defense of the (obviously) guilty is insane to me. If this was a story about Jameis Winston I bet the tone would be different here.

Oh, did I say hysterical? I meant depressing.

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Well, he refused the breathalyzer and urine test,


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:57 AM
 

which was smart. That alone gives a good DUI attorney a shot. The cocaine charge could be more problematic.

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Yep, should have refused the field tests too.

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 5:17 PM
 

nm

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I'm not saying the stop was wrong


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:20 AM
 

or that Lakip is innocent or "framed." I just find it funny what they put in to justify following him. They followed him because he's a college student turning out of a place with college bars. I also notice that they've changed from "odor of alcohol" to "odor of alcoholic drinks." Alcohol doesn't have an odor. The beer does.

I have a friend who is a defense attorney and he swears that if you get pulled for DUI, don't take a field sobriety test. They already have you under suspicion, you are just providing them evidence. An attorney can cast doubt on suspicion, but they can't refute facts like failing a test.

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:22 AM
 

alchohol doesnt have an odor huh. who knew

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:59 AM
 

employed here who carried their smell into the next day after their last-evening bender.

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Absolutely, you stand just about zero chance of passing

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 12:57 PM
 

the field sobriety test. It was designed by ex-police so that it's 100% objective. There is no subjective pass or fail line such as a 70% or C or F. If the officer already thinks you are drunk enough to give you the test, no matter how good you do, any tiny little imperfection and he will say you failed. So, might as well just refuse it. All you're doing is giving the police more evidence against you. Even sober, most people cannot be perfect on the field sobriety test, and on the camera look to be wobbly and unsteady on their feet.

I once did one of those safe driving courses with the police, where you drink controlled amounts and are tested over and over to see at what point you fail and then are reviewed on video. Truth be told, there was little difference in how people performed until seriously high BAC levels are reached.

Basically the FST is a complete farce and it was invented to be a complete farce so that police could justify increased number of arrests.

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Sure, he just makes up that your eyes are jittery***

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 1:22 PM
 



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They make up stuff all of the time.***


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Re: I'm not saying the stop was wrong

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:08 PM
 

dude, I can smell vodka.
You must drink hennigan's.

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Nope. You can't smell the alcohol


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 5:16 PM
 

you can smell the drink. And no drink is 100% alcohol. You smell like beer. You smell like vodka/tequila/puke.


I was just making a general comment on the way that officers write that out now. The common line was "smells of alcohol." Now its "alcoholic beverage." I guess the DUI attorney's got enough folks off for that technicality.

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Re: Nope. You can't smell the alcohol


Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 4:18 AM
 

I assume you are referring to ethanol, which absolutely has an odor. You might not have 100% (it is possible but unlikely since it equilibrates in the atmosphere to about 97 or 98%) but you can get pretty darn close with everclear (95%) and I don't know it you've ever smelled everclear but it does have an odor. You can smell alcohol on people's breaths it's not just the other stuff.

And for the idiot acting like cocaine is safe because it doesn't kill as many people as alcohol, how many people do cocaine compared to how many people drink?

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Are you serious?


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:24 PM
 

> Alcohol doesn't have an odor. The beer does.


Alcohol has a very strong odor

> They followed him because he's a college student turning out of a place with college bars.

No, they followed him because he's a college student turning out of a place with college bars WITHOUT USING PROPER SIGNALING

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That's probably some legal language that they are instructed


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 1:24 PM
 

to add for justification. Boiler Plate. I don't think they spend too much time writing these things.

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Unless he was turning right at 30mph


Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 7:11 AM
 

It's not that hard to get a good 3- or 4-second look at a driver's face, even in the dark.

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Re: Do cops really believe what they write?


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:54 PM
 

He was messed up on Coke, really does not matter why he was stopped.

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I found the big tell for the cops....

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:43 AM
 

he was driving an Audio...

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Well, if he can afford to drive an Audio, he can probably

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:53 AM
 

afford the cocaine.

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Re: Well, if he can afford to drive an Audio, he can probably

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:54 AM
 

misspelled his parents

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Yeah, those FM Audio's are pricey!***

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Nah... It's gotta be Bluetooth Audio!!***


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And Now We Need A Kicker ----


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:49 AM
 

Because we just got kicked again.
This is how you hurt your team guys.

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Don't we have a walk-on who just came in this summer?


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 1:07 PM
 

Spence will be the guy to start the season it looks like. No telling how long we will need him. But I thought we had one or two more walkons because Dabo talked about needing kickers so much.

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Re: Don't we have a walk-on who just came in this summer?


Posted: Jun 27, 2015, 3:40 AM
 

We have a walk-on who came in last year. Christian Groomes from Daniel HS.

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Now the Florida State game makes sense***

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Re: FB Update: Details on Lakip's arrest

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 9:55 AM
 

Unless he gets kicked off for the cocaine charge he should be fine. He didn't take the urine or blood test which is almost a guarantee he will not get a DUI. Call Nick Lavery.

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Re: FB Update: Details on Lakip's arrest


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:59 AM
 

Although I don't condone driving drunk or impaired, there are several odd observations in this police report and story.

My first question, is this a Clemson City Police Officer or the Universtiy Police? Next, why did he take him to the University Police Department for the blood alcohol assessment since the stop and arrest happened off campus?

I know these officers are well trained, but i highly doubt that he can observe at 0139 hours in the morning that "the driver had a fixed blank glassy glaze about his face". He may have had the appearance of someone who was drunk but I doubt he could determine the state of his face/look from that distance. I also found it interesting that he asked if he had any injuries as Lakip was exiting the car. Odd.

I also don't blame Ammon for not submitting to any BAC testing. This is self-incrimination and/or being forced to witness against himself. The 5th amendment prohibits this and it is your right to refuse.

I really do have a problem with this young man being absolutely STUPID. Why do you put yourself in this situation?
The time, place, alcohol and drugs---really??? We expect you to be smarter than this and to represent yourself, your family, your university and your teammates better than this.

We have 4 other punters/kickers on this team that I am aware of and you might have just taken yourself out of the equation. And, we sure could use your scholarship to offer another player the opportunity to compete!!
Dabo's decision is going to be an interesting one, for sure.

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IDK about that...


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:31 PM
 

> He didn't take the urine or blood test which is almost a guarantee he will not get a DUI.

Failing a field sobriety test and smelling of alcohol is pretty damning evidence, regardless of whether they can assign him an exact BAC%.

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That's not true


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 6:36 PM
 

The prosecutor can still take the case to a jury and show them the recording of the field sobriety tests. Then it's up to the jury to decide if you look too drunk to drive.

But, there are many ways that a lawyer can attack the video recording of the field sobriety tests and reading of Miranda rights. If the video gets thrown out then the prosecutor has no case.

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Get a good lawyer!

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:23 AM
 

I don't see anything in that report that is PC for a traffic stop. I hope it all gets dismissed.

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Re: Get a good lawyer!

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 12:48 PM
 

A good layer will eat all that cop's lunch and leaving him hungry for a case he doesn't have. It's plain from the cop's own story that Lakip was targeted.

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Re: Get a good lawyer!


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:27 PM
 

He should have been. Dude was hammered driving a car man. Com'on

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Re: Get a good lawyer!


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:32 PM
 

Come on, how do you know how much he had to drink???

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I could totally get him off these ridiculous charges

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 10:55 AM
 

The DUI charge is for driving an AUDIO and he does not own an AUDIO so you can clearly throw out that charge and the "alleged" cocaine was documented as in a "lip balm" container found in said "AUDIO" vehicle that which my client does not possess nor has ever driven.

Case closed, close the case!

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This where you can tell cops are trained in how to fill out


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 12:47 PM
 

paperwork so they can legitimize iffy traffic stops...."As I watched the vehicle pass by I noticed that the driver had a fixed blank glassy glaze about his face and had the appearance of someone who may be under the influence."

Who the heck talks like that? "A fixed blank glassy glaze".... yea right. I bet if you go and read all of his paperwork for traffic stops in that area around that time, they all say the same thing. It's like the standard line "he had glassy eyes" or "I smelled alcohol" or "I smelled pot" (which has now been proven false, studies show over 100 different legal chemicals have the same odor). Its just something they are taught to say so that they seem to have reasonable and articulable suspicion.

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Re: This where you can tell cops are trained in how to fill out

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 1:02 PM
 

I bet if you put a black, red, and blue marks down Lakip's face and have him drive by the cop in his same location at the same time at night, and he wouldn't recognize any marks. But he witnessed a fixed blank glassy glaze about his face and had the appearance of someone who may be under the influence. He created a reason to make the stop before Lakip or who ever came down that road, he was going to make a stop, no doubt about it, I think that he should have been tested for drugs or alcohol with his statement. That cop should be fired if that was he true statement, bc it is clearly a wild made up story. To me, it's a illegal stop, search and seizure!!!

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What probable cause did they have to perform a search of

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 1:01 PM
 

his vehicle? At the time they searched it, he was already in handcuffs and in the back of the police car. They cant claim they had to search it for weapons or as a precaution for their safety. The suspect was already in custody locked in a police cruiser and had no chance in heck at getting to anything within the vehicle. At that point they clearly were on a fishing expedition looking for anything else they could charge him with. If they wanted to search his vehicle, they should have had to apply for a warrant from a magistrate and say what their probable cause was for wanting to search his private property.

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Re: What probable cause did they have to perform a search of

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 2:29 PM
 

If the car is going to be towed, the officer is required to do an inventory search of the care and write down what was in the car. That search can only been done once the person is arrested. In a DUI arrests, there is probable cause to search the vehicle to look for open containers of alcohol. No warrant is necessary for these type of searches. And I think any car can be searched if an arrest is made and the person has been in the car before the arrest.

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Re: What probable cause did they have to perform a search of


Posted: Jun 26, 2015, 7:28 PM
 

The cops can not search through you car and write nothing down unless you give them permission, or they have a search warrant.

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Or they just asked him if they could search it and he said


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:12 PM
 

yes. You don't know that didn't happen.

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The original stop was based on this?!?!


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 2:53 PM
 

"As I watched the vehicle pass by I noticed that the driver had a fixed blank glassy glaze about his face and had the appearance of someone who may be under the influence."

How did you see that at night? That statement has to be attacked by a lawyer.

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Re: The original stop was based on this?!?!

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:25 PM
 

No, he failed to use a turn signal leaving a bar at 2am.

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The Lakip apologists in this thread are disgusting

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Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 4:28 PM
 

Dude knowingly got behind the wheel intoxicated, endangering the lives of other students (some of which are family members of Tigernet forum posters), and had cocaine on him.

How can you possibly be blaming the police for this? I applaud campus police for doing their job, which is to make the roads safer for everyone that uses them.

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Re: The Lakip apologists in this thread are disgusting


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 5:40 PM
 

Agree totally. Most of the posters have never spent time in the hospital after meeting on the street with someone who thought their right to drive hammered superceded your right to stay healthy and get home alive. Let them or one of their family members suffer this type of joy and the song will change.

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I'd be much more impressed if they found the rock.***


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Re: The Lakip apologists in this thread are disgusting


Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 5:16 PM
 

sure agree!!! BUT, they took forever to bring charges for "the rock" and still that guy has not returned the piece!!

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Sounds like . . .


Posted: Jun 24, 2015, 8:25 PM
 

he was railroaded!

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Posted: Jun 25, 2015, 3:48 AM
 

Got pulled over for failure to signal. Rekt.

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