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Rock Defender [53]
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Why should gun manufacturers lose immunity?
Apr 8, 2021, 12:42 PM
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All-TigerNet [11623]
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No. Personal responsibility trumps all.
Apr 8, 2021, 12:46 PM
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Should knife manufacturers be liable for stabbings?
How about baseball bat manufacturers?
Alcohol makers responsible for DUIs and resulting deaths?
Automakers responsible for car wrecks?
Where does it end? Seems like it would be Pandora's Box for litigation.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Ed Zachary.***
Apr 8, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Heisman Winner [111291]
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Handguns are designed specifically to kill people.
Apr 8, 2021, 1:12 PM
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We can freak out over the numbers all day, but most are suicides which is a different problem in itself.The same can be said for violence in general, guns offer expediency, but yes there are other ways to kill people. But when it comes to crimes of passion, they are the most effective tool. There is no backing out once you pull that trigger.
But, for argument's sake, everything else you listed has a different purpose and is not intended to take human life. I mean we could add a well placed banana peel at the top of a flight of stairs to your list if you like? I think that may be where pandora's box ends in this hyperbolic what-if scenario.
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Correct, but killing people is not per se illegal. I don't see
Apr 8, 2021, 1:24 PM
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any rational basis for holding a manufacturer liable for producing a legal device, as long as its purpose and use is reasonably understood. I have not heard a rational argument yet, only ideological opinions.
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Oculus Spirit [97648]
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It's only legal to kill people who need killing.
Apr 8, 2021, 2:59 PM
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That's a law in Texas I think.
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Re: Handguns are designed specifically to kill people.
Apr 8, 2021, 2:01 PM
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Don't disagree with your post. If you're intent is to kill someone during a crime of passion, guns are the quickest way to do that. Why does that make the manufacturere liable?
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Re: Handguns are designed specifically to kill people.
Apr 8, 2021, 9:34 PM
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it doesn't. I am just explaining the difference between handguns and lawnmowers for those that do not understand the simple principle that, like cigarettes, it is well known by gun manufactures that their net contribution to society is negative infinity. So let's not throw a pity party for them. Not only do they make the guns, but they also spend millions scaring people into buying them with this mass delusion that danger lurks around every corner, and only good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns.
I find all of that rather disgusting, sowing fear and paranoia into society so you can make a buck. I know dudes that can not leave the house without their CW, much in the same way a woman freaks out when she forgets her purse.
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Re: Handguns are designed specifically to kill people.
Apr 9, 2021, 9:30 AM
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It shouldn't be surprising that they promote and hope to sell their product. After reading your post I visited the S&W website. Didn't see a lot that scared me. Read about their products; some for hunting, some for home defense, some for concealed carry.
I think we'd probably agree that both sides of this issue, like most every issue - down to wearing a face covering, go to extremes to push people to one side. Personally, I don't think there is a bad guy behind every tree but it only takes one bad guy.
Years ago I was traveling down I-95 with my wife and then middle-school son. Had a flat I had to change. As it was getting dark I started to feel a little vulnerable. You know when your imagination starts to get the best of you? What if a car with a couple of bad guys stop and decide to take advantage of this? What if they don't just want our money but try to take us somewhere? I decided then I wouldn't feel that way again. I travel differently now and am less vulnerable. If someone doesn't share those concerns about the world, I respect that. But I also have respect for the guy or gal who want the peace of mind they have some ability to protect themselves.
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A manufacturer should not be held liable for
Apr 8, 2021, 1:55 PM
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anything except bad or illegal manufacturing.
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Re: A manufacturer should not be held liable for
Apr 8, 2021, 2:48 PM
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Agree, if the firearm or ammunition is flawed which leads to an injury or death then the manufacturer should be able to be sued. However, to sue the gun or ammunition manufacturer if the gun or ammo is used to injure or kill is only a backdoor maneuver to force gun and ammo manufacturers out of business. Ghost guns will then be increasingly produced along with hand loaded ammo.
There are already hundreds of millions of guns in the US with a lifespan far in excess of the owner. This is not a reasonable proposal. Great news for plaintiff's lawyers though!!
Additionally, I have several handguns which I carry not to kill but to protect me and my family should the need arise. It's semantics, but I view handguns as an efficient deterrent rather than an offensive weapon.
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Re: Why should gun manufacturers lose immunity?
Apr 8, 2021, 8:05 PM
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He said "...eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets."
If I did not 100% distrust the left, I could buy into the idea, somewhat. If we could agree on what a weapon of war is, maybe this is okay.
However, even Biden showed he has no idea that a 12 gauge shotgun will put most women on their backs. So, I have to assume a Red Rider BB gun will be classified as a weapon of war.
Ultimately, how can a reasonable person hold a gun manufacturer responsible if someone uses a legit and legally produced firearm to kill/injure someone?
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Re: Why should gun manufacturers lose immunity?
Apr 9, 2021, 9:07 AM
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What if we held a national referendum on which "weapons of war" we would eliminate. Let Americans guide the conversation.
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Re: Why should gun manufacturers lose immunity?
Apr 8, 2021, 9:28 PM
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You’ll recall several months ago I mentioned a fear that dropping immunity would be the back door by which gun manufacturers were basically eliminated. You said you didn’t like it, but to get back to you if it became real. Well, here we go—-the President himself verbalizing it. This would be a de facto gun ban.
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Re: Why should gun manufacturers lose immunity?
Apr 9, 2021, 9:05 AM
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Manufacturers make millions making handguns whose main purpose is to kill people - but they shouldn't have any liability when they are used to kill people ???
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Lot o points [155580]
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Nope. No more than a car manufacturer should be
Apr 9, 2021, 9:53 AM
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liable when their cars plow into a crowd of people due to driver error or on purpose, or are used as a car bomb.
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Orange Blooded [4365]
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Re: Nope. No more than a car manufacturer should be
Apr 9, 2021, 11:20 AM
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The car has a more peaceable purpose. The gun does not.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Let me know which are the good guns here and
Apr 9, 2021, 12:52 PM
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